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Hiring testers $200 (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 4:31 PM
A lot of LLs think the idea of Fair Housing TESTER is a myth. Not so. Here is the current ad to hire part time testers in 24 Indiana counties.
Great gig! MUCH better than Doordash! $50-200 each time.
That prospect might be earning $200 to call you or walk into your open house, even without submitting an app.
Treat EVERYONE as if they are a tester. Treat EVERYONE the SAME.
Ad: "Stated simply, testing is typically sending two individuals with similar profiles and housing needs but with different protected class statuses, such as race, to the same available housing unit to see if they are treated differently because of their protected class status. For example, to determine if people are being discriminated against due to their race by a lender, we may pair a Black tester with a white tester and see if they are treated differently.
Testing can occur in the rental, real estate, sales, or lending markets. Without testing, most housing discrimination goes undetected. This position is so critically important to stopping housing discrimination.
We are also always in the need for more Fair Housing Testers (Secret Shoppers)! Testers are a diverse group of dependable, conscientious people, 18 years and older, who assist those working to eliminate housing discrimination in gathering information about housing practices. They are of various racial and ethnic groups, across genders, over a broad range of ages with and without disabilities.
Testers take on various roles and profiles. They do not try to trap the housing provider or cause them to discriminate. They perform a task similar to a restaurant critic. They observe and record their experiences.
The tester’s job is to gather information, much like anyone on a housing search or when seeking a loan, and to observe how a housing provider treats prospective housing tenants, mortgage applicants, or home buyers. After each test, the tester will complete a detailed account of what occurred during the test and submit to the FHCCI staff.
Testers receive a stipend for their time ranging from $50-$200 per test, depending upon the type of test conducted. Related expenses are also reimbursed with prior approval. Due to labor requirements, testers are classified as part-time employees but the time for testing is very flexible based upon your schedule and time available. Some FHCCI testers conduct tests several times a month, while others may only test occasionally as their schedule allows and we have need for their assistance. Want to get an application to be a Fair Housing Tester? Just email us at _! --73.103.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 5:44 PM
Sumbuddy haz ta do it ! --24.183.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 5:48 PM
After working for a real "testing" company for many years, the issue here is the behavior and statements of the tester. LL asks questions about how the applicant will pay for the apartment. If the answers of the tester are different and matter, there will be a different response from the person showing the unit. It's not reliable. --71.188.xx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 6:18 PM
I am a contractor working on many rentals for clients. Upgrading them to compete in the market. I also have many rental of my own. On day while going inside and outside from a fist floor rental, I was turning the water on and off while I replace some plumbing fixtures.
A City Tester working with Housing and Section 8 wanted to look inside the unit. He was a women and a child. He was a protected class/race. He did not tell me he was with the City as a tester, but I've seen him behind the counter at the Housing Department on Van Nuys Blvd a few times.
I told him YOU CAN NOT GO INSIDE! He demanded to know why! I said, "It's because I said so". The then screamed so your not letting a family of color look at this unit. I replied, "if that's they way you look at it"!
The next day the owner of this property, a partner in other buildings and the sole owner of this property was summoned to a Housing Hearing with the General Manager for suspected racism. The owner was pissed off at me. I replied, "Do you want me to follow the law or not"?
At at the meeting/hearing I showed up, the offender. They asked me why I did not show a nice family of a protected class this apartment.
So told them I had several legal reasons, would they like to hear them all! So I began,
1. This was a work zone. As a contractor I can not allow people into a construction area where there are dangers that could harm or kill someone. Such as an Open electrical energized panel.
2. There are laws on who may show a rental. It has to be and owner or:
a) a licensed agent/broker
b) A direct employee of the owner.
c) A resident manager.
I'm none of those so I can't show a rental to anyone. I'm a contactor hired to make repairs and upgrades and do not have any ownership in this property.
They were mad that I didn't explain this to their "Tester". When I said they couldn't enter, I did not owe them an explication. There was no negotiation. Besides the owner has listed the property and the testers could have called the owner directly. --47.156.xx.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 6:25 PM
Not long ago I got a call from a man who had a very, very heavy foreign accent, I couldn't really tell what accent it was, but he wasn't all that easy to understand. I had my suspicions that he might be a tester, as the type of questions he was asking.
This place was legitimately rented to somebody several days before, and I could tell he was questioning that. Like I wasn't renting to him because of his other qualifications, which were not perfect. So he asked to wait while he talked to someone else there, putting me on hold . By the time he got back he must've forgotten he was foreign as he totally lost that accent.
I rarely answer the phone, and I'm thinking I'm going to be much more careful about that in the future. However, I also wonder if these testers leave a phone message, and you don't call them back, and for whatever reason they find it hasn't been rented yet if they can make a point of this.
I was told that around here, anyway, that the testers get a bounty on how many landlords they catch. I wonder about the wisdom of keeping their recordings for a while in case you had to prove you were not discriminating. I guess you would have to keep a log of when the unit was rented also. --104.165.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 6:35 PM
So basically being judged by a bunch of left wing nuts who cant get a regular job --74.77.xx.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 6:47 PM
It’s real and I’ve had them….one of mine was a “representative “ for a tenant who had autism. No problem here, I would be happy to have him as long as he met our criteria. I even got a partial application but they never followed up with key info such as income verification, even though I asked for it twice….ultimately I was unable to complete the process due to lack if info…so I informed them he was on hold until I got all info…which I never did.
I’ve always treated all applicants the same. On a few occasions this upset people, as they thought THEY should be treated differently for various reasons. --99.92.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 7:16 PM
A lot of times I don’t even know what the applicant looks like until I review their application. The application requires a copy of their photo ID, but they pay me $45 just to get the application. --172.58.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 7:24 PM
Never had a tester to my knowledge. Was warned about them many years ago during Realtor licensing courses. I would imagine that their questions would be different from the regulars. --24.245.xx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 7:25 PM
"I also wonder if these testers leave a phone message, and you don't call them back, and for whatever reason they find it hasn't been rented yet if they can make a point of this."
That would be a HOOT for me in court! "Your honor, here are 5+ years of my telephone records. As you can see, I haven't returned a single call to a single person about a single voicemail as far back as they've been keeping records." --172.58.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 9:54 PM
Being a secret shopper for years, I might do better selling out and working part time as a TESTER. Look out LL's, look out!
Hiring testers $200 (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 10:48 PM
I've seen ads like this and I believe I've spoken with such people. --172.58.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2022 10:49 PM
Here most rental housing providers a minimum credit score of seven hundred or above or you keep looking. Unpaid utilities does not mean it is gong to be all inclusive where if you can sign up for utilties that has to resolved. If you insist then you have to go to the credit bureaus then clear up your negative by paying arrears on utilties and other bills. It does not matter ethnic, sexual orientation, immigration status or any of the human rights for refusing rental housing. If holed up in friends, relatives house or rental unit or motel then why. It is like in a movie where the bad people are holed up until things cool down where that never happens. Unstable rental history is common with low credit scores. Housing is not a right where trashing out has to come to end. Now that vacancy rates are at zero or one per cent on and off rental housing providers are not going to pass the keys through the gates of hell. --68.69.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 12:13 AM
The questions and actions of testers is probably normal and the same as anyone else.
For a good report the two or more prospects must present themselves and ask the same questions.
Their objective is to see if you treat them differently even tho they had the same info.
Simple example: did you hand an application to each person at your open house or just the non-minority people?
Discrimination can be very subtle and you might not realize you are doing it.
Hiring testers $200 (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 1:35 AM
Pretty sure I've had testers many times. I can still remember as the scenarios were so off. A few purposely disqualified themselves so as to not end up filling out an application, even when offered. Back in the day, (we're talking 30 years ago), after getting some information, I showed many more prospects than I do now. We hosted planty of open houses.I answered my phone back then, but not now.
One set of testers I distinctly remember was a couple; she was blind. I escourted them both through the unit, with him leading her. I'm big on safety and was especially concerned for her safety if he wasn't around; there are steps everywhere inside and out of the unit, and an unattached garage that leads to an alley. left the choice up to them and said nothing. He said they were interested. As I pulled out an application and asked "do you have any questions before you fill out the application?" he replied, "Is it okay if I practice playing my horn here?" I asked how loud, how often, times of day and evening. Our lease has a non-disturbance clause at any hour. I showed him the lease and clause, and he decided not to fill out an application.
Hiring testers $200 (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 8:39 AM
We've had them - bi-racial couples, people of ethic groups that were in the minority locally, elderly people. They always screen beautifully, are polite, and any kids they bring along are well-behaved.
We treat everyone the same, but get so annoyed at the waste of our time, once it becomes evident to us that they are testers (they usually ask about the ethnic/racial/age group makeup of the neighborhood as the first trip-them-up question, and we always reply that we don't live there and could not really say, but that they could drive around on a nice Saturday and see if they can answer that for themselves).
We've also had one tester call with a service (blind guide) dog. Our response was prompt - "That is not a pet. But you should know that the yard is unfenced." --96.227.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 12:15 PM
Had a house I was desperate to sell. I was living in it but needed to stay with Mom down the street as she was falling. Got a call from a guy who was interested. Invited him to make an appointment. Gave him all the info. Heard nothing. Weeks go buy and I get an offer. Waiting on the paper work. I am outside cutting grass. A tall black man walks up and says he is so and so and would like to see the house now. I tell him I have an offer and it's probably sold. He starts making a fuss. I go back to cutting grass. Couple days later I get a phone call from his nasty lawyer accusing me of not showing the house to him because he was black. I told them I had an offer, he did not make an appointment when I asked and just walked up on me. I convinced the nasty lawyer I was telling the truth. Should have kept his name. Husband worked in the world Trade Center. Had just gotten the job. I told him to find another job because someone was going to bomb us and the building was not going to stay up. They never closed. I didn't hear his name in the list of the dead all these years but I think I did last year. I will listen again. Maybe he was one of those where nothing was left. --71.188.xx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 12:35 PM
I had a minority married couple submit a pair of applications. They loved the house. FICO scores both over 700, something I never see. They had the same last name, spelling it differently, though the pronunciation was the same. Big red flag, right? People alter their names to evade collectors. Almost put these apps in the trash but for those credit scores. So I called, and called, and called. She finally called me back obviously annoyed that I was ringing their phones off the hook. They had decided to stay put, their current landlord wasn't so bad after all.
My application asks everybody if they are a tester. It also states that any responses that are missing, untruthful, deceptive or erroneous will result in an automatic DQ. --107.141.xx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 1:00 PM
Interesting..do they legally have to truthfully answer if they are a tester? I see on those cops shows that the tester cop prostitutes don't have to answer that truthfully,..I don't know if that's state specific,..the same with hiring a hit man, and they ask if he’s a police officer. --104.165.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 8:32 PM
Also think about this scenario and animals - pets, stick to your criteria. I have been asked to bend my pet policy --> sorry but that would discriminate against my previous applicants... --76.190.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 8:45 PM
Makes me wonder if I didn't have a tester the other day. Supposed military guy, apt he listed had no record of him. When I called his work, the "boss" immediately picked up and was "too" cooperative.
When the guy showed up to look at the apt, he didn't look inside the cabinets, the frig etc. Barely looked at the place.
I did a leap of faith based on his credit score and offered him the apt. He never got back to me. --72.231.xxx.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 9:33 PM
Hollis, I'm pretty sure it's legal everywhere to lie on applications, so testers shouldn't be any different. --107.141.xx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 10:42 PM
Yes they are allowed to lie. We cannot deny them for lying about not being a tester on the app but then again they are not planning on renting your place.
If you have reviewed your ads, apps, leases, policies, and methods you should not fear testers.
I always suggest meeting the Director of your local fair housing board and attending their training on fair housing. I like to think they are less likely to prosecute someone they know who has given a personal Interest in doing the right thing. --73.103.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2022 10:45 PM
Never throw away an app. You must keep them for two years to prove your innocence if challenged.
We have our local Director speak to our group each year.
When someone applies with a service animal we pass their information to our local Director and let her decide. It’s usually fake. She is frustrated by all the fakes because it makes it harder for the real people who have a true need.
Hiring testers $200 (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2022 5:08 PM
Hollis, if the application requires that employment be listed, and the tester does not list the Fair Housing Agency as an employer, they have falsified the application. --73.194.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2022 9:21 PM
It is so dog gone easy to mess this up. You might think you are not but so many out there do make small mistakes that can come back to haunt you.
One place that I find so many landlords mess up is the setting of standards. Where you should indeed have a written criteria that you can reference for say your Apartment, that same standard doesn't have to be the same for a different SFH. But what happens when that lead called about the Apt and you wisely try to upsell them to that SFH with a different standard. You might not have done anything wrong in the fair housing world - but with two separate standards on two separate places, you could have confused someone just enough for them to file a claim.
That claim is going to cost you significantly even if you didn't do anything wrong. The legal fees alone can be upwards of five figures. So where ever your units are at know what the standards are and what screening tools you can use. Use a system consistently and feel free to ensure your leads know that you use system that measures specific performance predictors. When some volunteers extra data acknowledge it but make sure they know that due to fair housing requirements - you can't vary your system.
I know I have screwed this up before. I had a SFH over by St Paul's church. and sure enough the applicant as me if that was a Catholic Church. Silly me - I answered. There are rabbit holes folks. This is 2022 - use your coconut. You are being watched. Do the right thing because its the right thing. --24.101.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2022 8:41 AM
Sid's Philosophy on How Never To Run Afoul of Testers.
Step 1 - Don't take the test. This is a two step process:
1) All calls go to voicemail. Everyone gets the same voice message that tells them what to do if they want a tour: Go to our website and fill out the pre-screening form.
2) Testers don't want to fill out my forms. Thus, I never get contacted by testers.
Step 2 - Crack open a cold one.
Notice: nowhere in there did I exert any effort or waste any time... well, okay, I did exert effort to crack open a cold one, but that is never wasted effort!
It doesn't really take much energy or thought to stay ahead of Govt bureaucrats. They have a manual that tells them what to do. Don't follow their manual.
Example 1: Most land lords answer the phone. I don't answer the phone. They don't know how to handle that. There is no "secondary protocol" for someone who just flat out refuses to answer the phone.
Example 2: Most land lords have in-person showings where they chit chat with leads, potentially getting into trouble if they say the wrong thing or forget to do something most folks consider innocuous, but which a Govt tester will take as flagrant discrimination. Forgetting to hand someone an application. Running out of applications. Not smiling enough. Spending 1 minute 30 seconds chit chatting with one person but only 50 seconds chit chatting with another. All innocent things, but ripe for Govt testers to claim as illegal acts. The solution is simple: don't have in-person showing and don't chit chat. Again, the Govt testers have no secondary protocol to handle land lords who don't do business "normally."
I've learned when dealing with the Govt the answer is simple: Don't be normal. Be weird. Do something their step by step manual isn't set up to handle. They don't know how to handle someone who thinks outside the box. So they skip you and go bust the "normal" land lord who answers their phone and mistakenly uses the wrong preferred pronouns or deadnames someone. If you don't know what those last two things are, look them up online. People are losing their jobs over such things.
Bottom line: Stop answering your phone. That'll fix 95% of the issue.
Hiring testers $200 (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2022 8:52 AM
I have no need to avoid the test since I'd have no problem passing it. This is a "no big deal" to me. If I get a tester now and then in the sea of people interested, so be it.
I'm not worried about an IRS audit because I follow the rules. I'm not worried about a tester because I don't discriminate.
Also, if you think you can avoid testers by not answering the phone or because you require paperwork, I think you are mistaken... They WANT to catch you making mistakes IN WRITING. They are happy to fill out paperwork -- because then the two testers can fill it out identically and see if you treat them differently once you see their race or gender or whatever else they are testing for.
Seems like a lot of avoidance for something that shouldn't be a big deal. It's not a difficult "test", people.
Hiring testers $200 (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2022 9:04 AM
Automation removes all risk. Fill out the prescreener, if they pass they get a lockbox showing. If they fail they get an instantaneous rejection email. If they want to apply, they pay me $45 and THEN I send an application. How frustrating for a “tester”. --50.202.xxx.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2022 9:11 AM
Also, what happened to all of you people saying "if you aren't committing a crime, then you don't have to worry about the police"? Lots of you seem real big on the "nothing to hide" argument until the authorities are looking at you, eh?
Hiring testers $200 (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2022 10:59 AM
Ever ask a man in a wheelchair to walk up steps to check out a rental located upstairs - when there is no elevator? I would think it sorta sounds crazy to most folks to even suggest that - maybe even offensive if you do such a thing.
But it can be EQUALLY offensive if you don't offer them an opportunity for them to turn it down. Fair Housing can be more complicated than most people think it is. I would encourage EVERYONE to get additional training.
I once sat in on a Fair Housing Training session where 80% of the attendees were social workers. What they perceive as Fair Housing Law violations and that from myself were night and day. The angle was different, and in most cases it wasn't blatant or serious - but then there were some cases that were sickening.
I have another example. I have rental homes in three counties currently. I sold a larger place that I had ranked very high on google when I owned it. I still routinely get calls asking if I have any openings in this location even after I have sold it. I let the folks know that it is sold. Sometimes a lead will ask me a follow up if I have other places near by that. NOW WHAT DOES NEAR BY THAT ONE MEAN? Can it have more than one meaning?
Do you always have the same amount of time to tackle every call in the same manner? I know sometimes if I am expecting an important call, I might rush someone off the phone faster than someone else. I do it based on me needing to take the next call and knowing I probably am not making money on this call. But what the person on the other end of the phone line think? Do I know if the person I rushed off the phone isn't a protected class? For all that I know it could have be Bill Gates (but probably not). That expedited call can turn out to be costly and you will not even know it - not for another month anyway.
The only way to absolutely sure you have everything covered is tough in a woke society looking for misjustice. Training will not hurt you and it opened up my eyes to what case workers were seeing. What they describe is not to flattering and in many cases rather outright.
Want another Case in point? How many of you answered the no SSN by saying incomplete app? There are tools available for you handle not having a SSN and not everyone in US has one. If your system is flawed - you might be paying five figures in legal fees instead of $100 for education and training. This isn't going away and it will be a costly mistake. --24.101.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2022 6:53 PM
I can't believe I'm the first to suggest this but ...
Answer the ad, apply to become a tester. I bet they have a seminar, scripts, etc. and you'll get a list of potential offenders.
All juicy info to share with other local landlords. Wouldn't it be nice to know the scripts? --108.69.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by Dave [CA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2022 7:50 AM
TO RAY N PA
you raise a good point about lack of SSA or TIN
all proposed occupants must apply , clear and sign lease
HOW does an applicant without SSA OR TIN have a locatable / verifiable credit file --172.250.x.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2022 9:19 AM
This happens more often than people expect.
There are a wide variety of service providers for credit checking services. The one I use is located in San Diego but you might want to find other maybe in Texas or other place where legal migration is common.
The number of folks who enter the US legally but are not US Citizens every year is in the tens of millions. If you come here to work - again legally, you have to have a TIN. I use Credit Link Corp but I absolutely know there are others
Hiring testers $200 (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2022 1:29 PM
I made a couple of calls and sure enough the Mr Landlord vendor that does credit check also accepts TIN instead of SSN if that situation exist. The person even made it sound like Daaaahhhhh - you should know this.
So let me repeat it - Fair Housing is every ones responsibility. Since this chain started, of the 20 or so postings, there would be at least one absolute Fair Housing Violation and about three that would be in the gray area. I don't make this stuff up.....and for each of the landlords out there, I understand that you honestly believe what you are doing is right and you can justify it. It is my hope you are never in that position where you would have to that in front of a judge - because looking at it in the other side of the coin, your opinion might cost yeah as much as your investment. --24.101.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by dave [CA]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 7:16 PM
OK,...TO CIRCLE BACK
is any applicant lacking a ssa or tin a valid, immediate decline without fear of discrimination exposure ??? --172.250.x.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2022 8:43 AM
We have a particular unit that seems to attract the testers. We’ve had testers at least twice, maybe 3 times on it. The unit is a first floor, 2 bedroom unit. The testers are always a son/daughter looking for a place for their mother in a wheelchair. Can they put in a ramp, etc.?
We also had a tester for a 3 bedroom apartment. Black woman and two elementary children supposedly coming from an area of the state where one would not expect anyone of color coming from. We focused on their cats and pet fees. She appeared to have good income and that is what we are looking for. --76.179.xxx.xx
Hiring testers $200 (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2022 10:13 AM
We do online pre-qualification and there is a set drop-down list pre-populated that lets us choose YES we will send an appointment to view or NO and WHY. Income and Pet Policy are far and away the two disqualifiers. Not income that just squeaks by and not ESAs - no luckily incomes are usually WAY too low and pet issues are off the charts: too many, too young, not spayed/neutered, pigs, ferrets, etc. --50.82.xxx.xxx
Hiring testers $200 (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2022 11:43 AM
"Black woman and two elementary children supposedly coming from an area of the state where one would not expect anyone of color coming from."
Um, that is the weirdest thing I've seen in a while...
So, you believe that there are areas of your state where they just don't have people who are black??
Hiring testers $200 (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2022 3:29 PM
Wow! Great discussion.
Housing discrimination used to be absolutely horrible. It's getting better because of efforts by such agencies.
Education is crucial. Make the effort to get official Fair Housing training. Most offices will offer it or make the connection for you. They LOVE it when LLs are interested.
Ask the office to review your application and ads for correction. Get on their side of this issue.
The interpretation of the laws by those in authority is not logical to a DIY landlord. Common sense is not part of the decision making by those who will fine you.
You MUST learn how they think in order to comply. It's not hard.
This is not a slam on the good people working to protect the rights of others. This is a reminder that just because you are a smart LL does not mean you understand the intricacies of government or as Ray put it - Woke people searching for injustices.
Learn the game, play by the rules. It's like building inspectors - learn their language and thinking so you can comply. Never argue with them, just work to get along because THEY hold the power.
Treat everyone the same and be able to prove it if challenged.
Hiring testers $200 (by steve [OR]) Posted on: Oct 6, 2022 2:21 PM
I prefer using an option agreement rather than a rental agreement and treat everyone the same, all parties should be courteous consistent
An option is a unilateral contract and it is a contract for purchase!
Please don't read this wrong. I have been a landlord for more than 45 years and am currently. I am finding with the tax law and with the regional landlord-tenant laws. Doing a contract for option, and giving someone the promise of a property as an owner is very very rewarding and both the occupant and the optionor/seller are both winners.
This contract, because it is contract for the purchase of the property allows the occupant to be in the property, and does allow more than your typical landlord contract!
I'm not a attorney and I don't play one on TV, but I will say that I have one property in my home city that I have option for different parties. And it does not have debt service. And instead of going to a bank when they break up or leave, it reverts back to me!
After that I look at the prices and I see all my Lord, the prices have escalated once again!!
You will up your income, I did mine,
To everyone's success,
Hiring testers $200 (by Everett duran [TX]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 6:22 AM
Hiring testers $200 (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 8:31 AM
Steve: Isn't that option agreement considered to be a land contract basically? Maybe it varies by state. Here, I think that would be the case. And, if that is the case, then you can't just evict for non-payment. You'd have to foreclose. Which is a very different process.
I have seen people here suggest normal rental agreements and then a 2ND agreement that is an option to purchase -- so that they can still evict under the rental agreement if necessary. But that doesn't seem to be what you were suggesting, right?