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Ireland Landlords (by Plenty [MO]) Aug 23, 2022 12:56 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 23, 2022 1:32 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 23, 2022 1:44 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by S i d [MO]) Aug 23, 2022 1:50 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Richard [MI]) Aug 23, 2022 2:05 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Aug 23, 2022 2:29 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Plenty [MO]) Aug 23, 2022 2:59 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Ken [NY]) Aug 23, 2022 3:32 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 5:15 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Aug 23, 2022 5:56 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 6:04 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Aug 23, 2022 6:05 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 6:07 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by 6x6 [TN]) Aug 23, 2022 6:26 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 6:45 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 7:08 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 7:24 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 23, 2022 8:18 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Ken [NY]) Aug 23, 2022 8:42 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Allym [NJ]) Aug 23, 2022 9:17 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 9:25 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Aug 23, 2022 10:15 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 23, 2022 11:28 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Phil [OR]) Aug 23, 2022 11:55 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Aug 24, 2022 8:12 AM
       Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Aug 24, 2022 9:16 AM
       Ireland Landlords (by Ken [NY]) Aug 24, 2022 10:09 AM
       Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Aug 24, 2022 10:17 AM
       Ireland Landlords (by S i d [MO]) Aug 24, 2022 10:21 AM
       Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 24, 2022 6:19 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by Tonia [RI]) Aug 24, 2022 11:13 PM
       Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Aug 25, 2022 8:42 AM
       Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 28, 2022 2:08 PM


Ireland Landlords (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 12:56 PM
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I don't know if you can believe everything you read on line but I did read this today:

"Ireland launched a campaign against greedy landlords with rent control, 52% tax, no deductions, no evictions.

They succeeded & landlords left the market in droves

Now there are 716 homes available to rent in the entire country and 150 queued for this one bed yesterday." --172.58.xx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 1:32 PM
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My guess is that most of the readers on this site will gain some manner of satisfaction that this is happening, because it proves that the liberal left is bad.

But it really shows how intense is the dissatisfaction with landlords is growing, is international in character and not likely to ever be reversed.

What has happened in not merely a question of politics, but a lesson in the law of action-reaction. One action inevitably causes a reaction, especially where human beings and emotions (not to mention dire needs). Thus failure to mediate prices, causing potential homelessness for large numbers of people, inevitably brings response by government in the form on unpleasant rules, such as price controls, forbidding of privileges against those who lack power, and now even special taxes (and high ones).

All because the landlord population prefers to exercise their power without restraint, causing government to react by taking away landlords' power.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 1:44 PM
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One tenant who hasn't paid rent because of City Pandemic Protections decided not to pay their Power and Trash collection fee's. The City utility company sent out notices to the tenant, PAY OR GET YOUR POWER TURNED OFF!

Then when the tenant noticed they had no power, they reported me, the landlord, to Housing for allowing them to live in the property without power. The City ordered me to restore service, or else! I did nothing waiting for the hammer to fall.

I was ordered to a meeting with the City's General Manager for not restoring power because it it against the law to leave a tenant without curtain services.

I went to the "hearing" and laughed in their faces. I explained this isn't my first time being "played" by the City. Since the City turned off my tenants services, they were to cause of this issues and therefor had to take 50% responsibility. Until the City takes steps to restore services, I'm not required to go out of my way to resolve a problem caused by the Tenant, the City owned Utility Services and "Housing".

I had a ruling from another case where a professional squatter tried to get me to restore water, power and gas after they refused to transfer service during another previous tenant ordered services transferred to their new rental. (Why should an x-tenant have to pay to keep services on for a squatter? Instead make the owner/landlord responsible). --47.156.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 1:50 PM
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"Now there are 716 homes available to rent in the entire country and 150 queued for this one bed yesterday."

Tenants and Govts can regulate all they want, but regulations have never housed a person. Protests do not build or renovated houses. Investors and businesses do. And we will be paid what makes it worth our time, or we will go do something else and let the tenants fend for themselves.

So go ahead: pass a law that says no one shall pay more than $X in rent. For the 150 people queued up for that one house, 1 person will pay $X and 149 will pay nothing and get nothing.

In Ireland, it appears that Atlas has shrugged.

--184.4.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 2:05 PM
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Well said, Sid.

--24.180.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 2:29 PM
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Moshe, I've probably missed it, because I'm sure you have some, but I've personally never seen you post any ideas or helpful suggestions other than denigrating landlords. You could have and I missed it, so if you did, please repost your solutions for this global housing problem? --50.82.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 2:59 PM
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I just did an online search. For rent in Ireland. Up came realtor.com with six pages of places to rent. Looked affordable to me. --172.56.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 3:32 PM
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Moshe- do you charge rent for your places or do you charge just enough to cover the expenses? --74.77.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 5:15 PM
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WMH: roflmao. KEN: moshe is not a LL but he is from CA (apologies to CA LL) --72.176.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 5:56 PM
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Moshe is a landlord. I'm not sure if s/he is male or female, but s/he is real and owns properties. I know Jeffrey knows her so I believe him that she is a very good landlord in fact. But I seriously can't understand some of their comments and I get especially frustrated when they don't give us the benefit of their actual opinion or ideas about a LL problem. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 6:04 PM
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he/she should sell. only two genders. --72.176.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 6:05 PM
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PMH I am not trying to do the PC transgender thing - I seriously don't know if Moshe is male or female because never met them in person. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 6:07 PM
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then refer to him/her. not them (pl) --72.176.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 6:26 PM
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Speaking of Irish, where is Charlie?

He may be able to verify? --73.113.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 6:45 PM
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Moshe, if you truly believe it is the law of action-reaction then the actions you also have to recognize the the new policies also cause reaction. In this case the reaction was for fewer rentals and landlords thus increasing demand astronomically. Normally, the laws of supply and demand would have resolved high rents on it's own within a few months. Now with these extreme policies there is not a viable solution so people will be left without housing. The only next step if you don't like private landlords is for the government to provide housing. We see how well that works in Cuba. So is that a better solution than letting supply and demand resolve it? I don't think so. It is well known and documented that government management is one of the least efficient models eventually leading to complete failure. Socialism does not work. Perhaps politicians would be better served by studying economics and understanding the laws of action-reaction you speak of. --209.205.xxx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 7:08 PM
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MikeA. We donít need to go to Cuba. we can see that a renter in nyc paid $20k finder fee last week for a rent controlled unit. that was actually a small price to pay. --97.94.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 7:24 PM
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Pmh, hadn't seen that one. With those kind of finders fees I'm sure the mob will see huge opportunities there. Guido will find you a unit for the right price, it might or might not have the chalk outline of the body cleaned up off of the floor. I'm sure that will be blamed on landlords as well. --209.205.xxx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 8:18 PM
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Mike A,

You want to say that policies cause rent increases. Well, it a chicken & egg problem, but it is clear that, in time, rent increases came first.

The real question that needs consideration is, if rent control, eviction moratoriums and special taxes on landlords came first, then whats a poor landlord to do? Well, raise rent, of course. But Government, who you say came first, has the power to restrict rent increases and what do landlords do next? They complain, about socialism, bad tenants, and mostly out of frustration that they are being picked on.

If rent increases came first, then the reaction of government, who is responsible for seeing that the population has housing, is to regulate rents, impose eviction regulations and can impose special taxes on landlords, and then whats a poor landlord to do?

Well, he doesn't have any power to do anything except to b*tch about socialism, because the government has power to make its moves and the landlord doesn't. Landlord can adapt and follow the rules (as most CA landlords have) or else fail to adapt and continue b*tching about socialism, and fail to ever recognize that actions cause reactions, and that excessive "jacking-up" of rents brought unpleasant consequences which are here to stay, and that the question of "Who's got the power?" is more consequential than any argument about economic system or what political theory works. (by the way, in case you haven't noticed, in today's world, Democracy is being challenged on the basis that it doesn't work [especially by the Chinese], with the evidence that it fails to provide the people with what they need. Every time that Democracy fails (homelessness, lack of health care, hunger) there are Socialists eager to show this to the world, and they are succeeding where Capitalism is remaining stagnant. I'm not a Socialist and I treasure Democracy, but I have international experience and I have seen the preference of people for Socialism over Democracy.

MikeA, I welcome your attempt at rationality, but rationality MUST be seriously logical. You need to think about what you are saying, instead of simply relying on on high school textbook about supply and demand. There are forces which do not conform to supply and demand, like the human cost of inequitable distribution of resources. I LIKE Capitalism, but I understand the shortcomings, and so should you.

For WMH, haven't you seen any of my suggestions that landlord voluntary moderation of rent increases might have prevented rent controls?

--47.139.xx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 8:42 PM
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Moshe,I will ask one more time Do you charge market rent or just enough to cover the expenses on your places? If you charge market rent you are a hipocrit,plain and simple.Capitalism is perfect,you get out if it what you put into it. --74.77.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 9:17 PM
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The Ireland reaction to landlords would come not because of something landlords did but because tenants have no money. Must be something awful about the job market there. If people are making money and paying their rent they have no complaints. If they are all laying around drunk and not paying their rent, then they might like if landlords had to keep them no matter what. Crazy people get in charge of a country and don't look at the big picture and destroy a business like someone ruined the oil business and got prices raised. --71.188.xx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 9:25 PM
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If landlords are driven out of renting houses, then there will be no houses to rent. The end result will be the tenants living in non-house dwellings like tents, trailors, campers, etc. Landlords will find anything the government has no legal restrictions on to rent. Or landlords will find other uses for the properties already owned. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 10:15 PM
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"Well, he doesn't have any power to do anything except to b*tch about socialism, because the government has power to make its moves and the landlord doesn't."

That's working out well for Ireland, they now have all the power but no rent houses so we will see who really has the power in the long run. There are two options for likely next steps for them. First, if they are smart they will back off of the crazy policies and let the supply and demand cycles bring it into equilibrium. Or alternately, they will socialize housing. My high school text books are full of examples of failed attempts by governments to provide housing, the 1970's housing projects comes to mind. There's also a few articles in there about attempts on rent control and those outcomes. I never said capitalism was perfect, only that it was better than any other form of government.

So it sounds like your solution is to just sit quietly and accept all the ludicrous inefficient policies that are coming out as the new norm. Frankly that flies in the face of the American way. If you will remember we ditched the Brits because of taxation without representation but you may not have gotten that lesson in Israel. I for one am going to stand on the square and debate with anyone on what is best for this country and not take a back seat to the vocal left.

--209.205.xxx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 11:28 PM
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"So it sounds like your solution is to just sit quietly and accept all the ludicrous inefficient policies that are coming out as the new norm"

Funny, but I thought I was the one (evidently the only one) who suggests any strategy for dealing with it.

Again your logic holds back any effort to understand the problem.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: Aug 23, 2022 11:55 PM
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In the last 3 years, Oregon had a net decrease of approximately 7,000 SFH that were rentals. Coincides with the time that the Landlord/Tenant laws became very pro-tenant. Many small Mom & Pop are selling the houses when they go vacant rather than renting them again. --76.138.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 8:12 AM
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Moshe never answered Ken's question. Things that make you go HMMMMMM --72.231.xxx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 9:16 AM
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I don't use "Market Rents" as my guide. Too many new housing providers around here - they bought during Covid when prices were sky-high, they don't understand this tiny market yet and haven't realized that if you ask too much for rent, you will be competing for the same very few prospects who could afford that too-high rent over and over.

Instead I look at the people inquiring and what kind of money the group as an average is making. Throwing out the ridiculously low and the too-high (they will be looking to buy soon) and I concentrate on the middle of the market.

I get a few comments of "That's a lot for such a small place!" but I get more than enough, "Super Cute! When can I come see it?" Works for me.

Moshe I have see you say that rents are too high but in the same message you said yours are now so high people must make 6 figures to afford them - how do you square those two facts? --50.82.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 10:09 AM
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WMH, like most of the left Rules for thee but not for me comes to mind --74.77.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 10:17 AM
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So what in your mind is the problem as concisely as you can present it? --209.205.xxx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 10:21 AM
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I'm not going to get into an argument over socialism v capitalism. Ireland most recently has already proved the point, and we have numerous examples of failed socialist states throughout history. The "successes" are typically free market economies propping up heavily taxpayer subsidized social programs, but they are in no way centrally planned or state ownership/control of industry and property. --184.4.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 6:19 PM
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WMH: how is asking mkt (comps) rent too high (?) --107.120.xx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by Tonia [RI]) Posted on: Aug 24, 2022 11:13 PM
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I think Moshe did answer (sublimely) Ken's question. However, that is their prerogative. At this point, I could care less. I will run my rental property effectively, efficiently and profitably. --71.117.xxx.xx




Ireland Landlords (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 25, 2022 8:42 AM
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Depends on how you define Market Rents, actually, PMH. I looked up a few official site and was shocked how off they were for my area (wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too low. 2004 prices. For 2022.) --50.82.xxx.xxx




Ireland Landlords (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 28, 2022 2:08 PM
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to respond WMH: mkt rents are what others are offering in your mkt. I look at the ads. not sites. my mkt is students who are looking for a place after the mandatory first year in the dorm (or with relative), non smoking & allow pets. I wish I could afford to buy more houses in this college town. lol. --107.120.xx.xx





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