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Apartment swapping (by JA [PA]) Aug 10, 2022 8:41 AM
       Apartment swapping (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 10, 2022 11:08 AM
       Apartment swapping (by JA [PA]) Aug 10, 2022 11:34 AM
       Apartment swapping (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 10, 2022 11:39 AM
       Apartment swapping (by Jim in O C [CA]) Aug 10, 2022 11:40 AM
       Apartment swapping (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 10, 2022 1:31 PM
       Apartment swapping (by JA [PA]) Aug 10, 2022 1:52 PM
       Apartment swapping (by Plenty [MO]) Aug 10, 2022 2:41 PM
       Apartment swapping (by DJ [VA]) Aug 10, 2022 3:21 PM
       Apartment swapping (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 10, 2022 6:57 PM
       Apartment swapping (by MG [NJ]) Aug 10, 2022 9:17 PM
       Apartment swapping (by plenty [MO]) Aug 10, 2022 9:24 PM
       Apartment swapping (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 10, 2022 10:07 PM
       Apartment swapping (by MC [PA]) Aug 11, 2022 6:47 AM
       Apartment swapping (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 11, 2022 10:40 AM
       Apartment swapping (by Nicole [PA]) Aug 11, 2022 6:01 PM

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Apartment swapping (by JA [PA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 8:41 AM

Greetings lady and fellow landlords, I've been some time away from here. Quick question on an old topic;

What are you currently doing when your worst tenant constantly wants your best open apartment. She can barely afford what she already has. She always wants to bring in additional shaky "roommates" to make up the difference.

I know this and apartment swaps are typical in landlording. I got "stuck" with such a tenant when she got pregnant by another guy while her husband was in the military. She had the baby. The husband is long gone. She works now as a hotel housekeeper. The baby's father sometimes comes around, but less and less.

FWIW, I suggested to screen this tenant with a fresh application, then declining a move based on financials. My wife (who manages our tenants) screamed ABSOLUTELY NO WAY! My wife insists this tenant will interpret this to mean I am actually considering moving her and bring 25 potential roommates.

Another thought I had was this one is overdue for a rent increase on her current apartment....


Apartment swapping (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 11:08 AM

Unless this is the best kind of tenant available in your area, terminate her at the end of her lease. That will free her up to get a bigger apartment and roommates in some other landlord's rental.

You don't have to move her. She has a bad landlord reference (your own)

You might try letting her know that she would have to come up with a complete new deposit for the new apartment. Tenants think they can move around at no cost to themselves and that the landlord will just transfer the old deposit over to the new apartment. No, the old deposit is going to clean up the old apartment and there will be a new deposit for the new apartment.

I think what actually works the best is a very firm "no, that will never happen" the next time she asks. Don't discuss all the possibilities with her,. Just tell her no, you won't allow it. --76.178.xxx.xxx

Apartment swapping (by JA [PA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 11:34 AM

Hi Oregon Woodsmoke,

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I am thinking similar on this. I think my manager(wife) is intimidated by this tenant because she often implies the threat of racism. Also, this woman starts shouting matches when unhappy. Either way, it's always a "nail biter" on rent day, always pays but not always on time.

Funny, but true; The last time we passed her over for a new tenant in a vacancy, the new, much better qualified tenant, is the same race as her. --24.115.xxx.xxx

Apartment swapping (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 11:39 AM

Is this tenant trainable? If the answer is no - then it is time to get them packing elsewhere.

In cases of room-mates, all room mates must qualify for the place as individuals. What happens? The most qualified person will move out and you will get stuck with the trash and the trashy resident.


Apartment swapping (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 11:40 AM

You get what you allow. No is my answer. --99.23.xxx.x

Apartment swapping (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 1:31 PM

I had purchased my first "C" grade apartment house, an 8 unit, back in 1997. The tenants in unit 101 complained that the old owners never fixed anything and that's the reason why that apartment looked so shabby, run down and in need of everything. Blinds, Carpet, painting and replacement appliances.

Like an idiot I bought into their explanation and allowed them to move into the newly vacant unit 102, right across the hallway. I had replaced that carpet, painted, installed new blinds and give it replacement used appliances.

WITHIN months that replacement apartment looked worse than the tenants old apartment.

I could have gotten an extra $100 a month renting to other tenants, evicted the bad tenants and gotten another $100 for that apartment as well.

Never made that mistake again. In the end I had to evict these tenants anyways. The mother went into the hospital and the oldest daughter got her governmental assistance check made into her name and she spent the money instead of paying rent. When the mother got out of the hospital and took a taxi to my property, she was shocked to find new tenants in her old apartment. I gave the mom the paperwork showing the daughter didn't pay rent and was legally evicted. --47.156.xx.xx

Apartment swapping (by JA [PA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 1:52 PM


Wow! And I thought I had amusing landlording stories :-). My places are solid "B," with some "A" units. The A's are all less than 10 years old since either complete demolition and rebuild or gutted to the framing remodels. The reason I did this was after almost 30 years landlording, I knew with lesser units I got lesser tenants. I did not want to deal with bottom dwellers as I am getting older. --24.115.xxx.xxx

Apartment swapping (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 2:41 PM

Happy wife... Happy life. It's easy when the wife gets right to the bottom line. --172.56.xx.xx

Apartment swapping (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 3:21 PM


It's a complete sentence.

No explaining reasons - especially to someone who is looking for a way to "get" you.

BTW, FWIW: threats and yelling are violations of my rental agreement. --97.64.xx.xxx

Apartment swapping (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 6:57 PM

just say NO. like my wife does. --166.205.xxx.xx

Apartment swapping (by MG [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 9:17 PM

I have apartments in PA and would raise her rent significantly, so she moves. I'd give at least 60 days notice. --71.187.xx.x

Apartment swapping (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 9:24 PM

Say "I'll pass on the opportunity" they will be confused. Same as saying NO but it's nicer --172.56.xx.xxx

Apartment swapping (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2022 10:07 PM

JA, I agree to upgrade each unit as it becomes vacant. In many cases I picked up a property for a song, knowing that the City Planning Commission was changing zoning and the commercial properties across the alley from my building were going to be limited to upscale renters/shops.

One property was a corner apartment house with an Automotive business along my driveway, a used car dealership to the rear of my building with noises going on all day long. Fast forward a decade, the auto repair became a Walgreens type drug store and the car dealership became a private school. From a C- property in a C area I now have a B+ area with an A+ property. All units upgraded. All my tenants are professionals making over 100K and can easily pay their rent on time. --47.156.xx.xx

Apartment swapping (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2022 6:47 AM

I am with the NO also. I also say give notice. NO to roommates unless, of course, they want to be on the lease, fill out an app and have their background checked and clear everything. You said yourself, can barely afford what they have now. That is probably even based on income from when they started to rent from you. You can have your criteria down-must make X amount, been on the job for X amount of time, credit score X amount, LL references, etc. However you say NO, just say NO. I also say jack the rent up with notice-she is a bad situation waiting to happen. Sooner or later, you will have more people in the unit than you thought and you won't know who they are.. --73.230.xxx.xx

Apartment swapping (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2022 10:40 AM

With little children and dogs and tenants, if you try to be polite or subtle, they just misinterpret and think they can get their own way if they persist. So say "no" very clearly and when you say "no" enforce it, don't waffle or change your mind when they beg or "reason".

No means no. --76.178.xxx.xxx

Apartment swapping (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2022 6:01 PM

I am a VERY firm believer in saying what you want to say which in this situation is "No". Do not explain anything. Do not tell her why it never works. Do not say anything other than "No, we are renting that unit to a new tenant." When she asks who/when/etc. Just say again, "Sorry, but we aren't allowing you to transfer your lease". Others will say you should tell her you are only the manager and this wouldn't happen. I disagree for many reasons. Be firm, be decisive. Don't say you need to check. Don't say you'll get back to her. Make her understand here and now the answer is "No". Do not leave even one millimeter of hope for her so if she asks again, either repeat "no" or ignore.

Next - a shouting match requires two sides. Why is your side participating? Hang up, walk away, etc. End of the "match".

Threats of race? Who cares. You cannot live in a world where you are frightened of doing the right thing. Yes, anyone can come after someone at any point in time for racism, sexism, old ageism, whateverism. Do what you know is right and move on. --98.237.xxx.xx

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