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Bees? (by Chip [NE]) Jul 1, 2022 3:05 AM
       Bees? (by MC [PA]) Jul 1, 2022 7:27 AM
       Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Jul 1, 2022 8:00 AM
       Bees? (by plenty [MO]) Jul 1, 2022 8:13 AM
       Bees? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 1, 2022 8:25 AM
       Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Jul 1, 2022 8:52 AM
       Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Jul 1, 2022 9:00 AM
       Bees? (by DJ [VA]) Jul 1, 2022 10:10 AM
       Bees? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jul 1, 2022 11:30 AM
       Bees? (by Scott [IN]) Jul 1, 2022 12:21 PM
       Bees? (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 1, 2022 8:47 PM
       Bees? (by Hansen [CA]) Jul 2, 2022 3:56 AM
       Bees? (by Vee [OH]) Jul 3, 2022 10:23 AM
       Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Jul 3, 2022 12:41 PM
       Bees? (by Hoosier [IN]) Jul 3, 2022 6:41 PM
       Bees? (by Patti [OK]) Jul 5, 2022 11:19 AM
       Bees? (by Nicole [PA]) Jul 5, 2022 3:57 PM
       Bees? (by AZ landlord [CA]) Jul 5, 2022 6:23 PM
       Bees? (by Rande [VA]) Jul 5, 2022 10:15 PM
       Bees? (by Bertha J [KY]) Jul 6, 2022 1:17 PM
       Bees? (by lori [FL]) Jul 7, 2022 9:21 AM
       Bees? (by mike [CA]) Jul 8, 2022 10:18 AM
       Bees? (by mike [CA]) Jul 8, 2022 10:19 AM
       Bees? (by Jerry [NY]) Jul 9, 2022 5:47 AM

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Bees? (by Chip [NE]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 3:05 AM

Hello fellow mr.landlords (LOL!!) First time poster, long time landlord, and even LONGer time pest hater. I have a tenant who has been with me for a couple of months now. Shes an attractive younger woman. All American. HOWEVER !! I went to go expect her apartment for plumbing leaks this morning and I found an INDOOR BEEHIVE hanging on her wall! I was in utter disbelief , this must be what Joe Rogan felt like 24/7 while hosting fear factor - fear and shock !! On top of this I thought the young lady was a Christian as she was in a long sleeve shirt when I first met her back in December , HOWEVER when I went to go expect the place, now she was wearing a tank top and I could see she had tattoos all up and down her arms . This seems pretty deceitful to me !especially if you consider that she was hiding them when we first met. Although Im sure she would just blame that on the winter as if she did not come on to my property to tell lies !! ((Now as far as the bees wh o in the sam heck would want a bunch of bees just living inside of their place? I am worried she has more sinister purposes. The tattoos alone would not have bothered me, but both together seem satanic((On top of this I have never been stung by a bee before so how am I supposed to know if I am allergic I do not want to get an epi pen .((The lease does not explicitly say no bees so how do I ask her to please remove the bees? Do I make her sign a contract that says NO BEES((


Bees? (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 7:27 AM

First of all, the ink sometimes scares people away-many judge. The bees would bother me as she did not have permission, like a snake. Try to talk to her-tell her you can't have it- does she have a permit? Is she a bee keeper? Pretty sure most are outside. Why does she have them? Is it legal in your area? If she is a breeder-do you have a no pet policy? Read your lease-how can you use it a violation if that is what you want. I am ok with beekeeping-just not in or close to one of my places. Too risky for myself or maintenance to get hurt.

Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 8:00 AM

ROTFLMAO! Apparently, indoor beehives are a thing. See Simply issue a notice for unapproved pets or animals and give her a deadline to remove them. Apparently she is keeping the home well-kept otherwise, since you probably would have mentioned it.

Regarding being a Christian and having tattoos, the two are not mutually exclusive. Half the attendees in church today probably have one or more. Many have sleeve tattoos. Wearing clothes over tattoos is probably the least deceitful thing I've had an applicant do. I also suspect that she is more guilty of being young and short-sighted rather than satanic. The tattoos may not be as appealing to her in her old age as they are in her youth.

Bees? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 8:13 AM

So I looked up indoor beehives. There is a museum type conservation welcome center near me that has this on display for teaching and learning. It's pretty cool. I would not say anything. Looks perfectly harmless. The rest of what you are writing about is something you may want to get over. Just keep goin, it's all fine. No need to do anything other than self evaluation. And thanks for posting here I learned something new today cause of your post! Indoor bee hives for residential homes, super awesome! --172.56.xx.xx

Bees? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 8:25 AM

Once upon a time only three groups of people had ink 1) hell's angels members 2) people who got them in prison 3) veterans who served overseas.

Now everyone has ink......everyone except for this Veteran who served overseas multiple times.

As for the bees, you do need to address the unexpected pets.

Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 8:52 AM

I was visiting with a friend of mine and her mother. Her mother was in her late 70s. She had a small colorful tattoo on her ankle. She smiled and demurely called it a "youthful indiscretion." The tattoo was clear and vivid and made of pigments that have become popular only in recent years. It was not in the least bit faded.

I thought, ""Sure...if your youth were yesterday". I kept my mouth shut.

Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 9:00 AM

I know I should be better, but I can't resist...

You can always offer to replace it with an ant farm..or another one of the goodies on this site.

(Chip, I hope you will appreciate the humor.)

Bees? (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 10:10 AM

First, Chip - welcome to this site. It is good that you are here.

I never heard of an indoor beehive until this post, and I would have been just as shocked.

What to do about it depends on what your rental agreement says about animals.

Does it prohibit animals all together? Does it prohibit wild or farm animals?

If it does, refer to those lease clauses when you send her a notice to cure the violation or leave (send it today!).

Be sure to abide by whatever timing and other requirements are in place for such notices. These are state-specific, and sometimes local.

Start by reading your state's landlord/tenant laws - there is a link in the upper left area of this page.

If you have a relatively weak rental agreement that does not include unauthorized animals/wild animals, there are other concerns you could cite, such as:

From photos I saw when I searched the topic, there is a tube from the hive that goes out a window - to allow the bees to get in & out. This requires leaving a window open which is a problem because: 1) The property is not being kept secure, and this could invite criminal activity. 2) an open window will allow rain/snow to enter, which will cause property damage. 3)(Who pays for heat/cooling?) It is wasteful of utilities. Also: 4) Honey that leaks from the hive will cause property damage & attract other pests. 5) Bees that escape from the hive will cause human distress / health concerns to workers & neighbors.

Now fix your lease if needed.

As to your other concerns: Do NOT express them to anyone else!! Do NOT ACT upon those thoughts! You are in violation of fair housing laws and would be in deep trouble if the wrong(right?) person learned of it.

What I am referring to is "an attractive younger woman" - yikes! That has sexual harassment potential & gender discrimination all over it!

"Christian" - you may not discriminate based on a person's religion.

Tattoos - just something to get used to. At least they aren't a protected class. It could be an indicator of what she chooses to spend her extra money on, but as long as it's "extra" money & her bills are paid...

Please research and study, and apply all federal and state fair housing laws before you get yourself in trouble.

Like I said before: it is good you have come here. There are many good resources on this website for scrupulous landlords.

Keep coming back

Bees? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 11:30 AM

This is one of those troll posts, right? School is out for summer and the kids are bored and calling to see if we have Prince Albert in a can.

Bees? (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 12:21 PM

Just raise the rent in anticipation of a costly future cleanup. Forget the rest of that irrelevant nonsense.

I'm a beekeeper, but I've never heard of indoor hives. Awesome. Totally awesome. If only my wife would let me do that

Bees? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2022 8:47 PM

I bet Winnie the Pooh would love that. I wouldn't.

Bees? (by Hansen [CA]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2022 3:56 AM

You should canvass the neighborhood to see if any neighbors are allergic to bees. If so, you may be able to be able to have the bees humanely relocated - a Shop Vac is a really handy tool for this.

Check to see if your state has DN laws.

Bees? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2022 10:23 AM

I raise bees also, the hies are a great security system for empty places - I am converting to Air-Bnb. Had a 2 shelf one in my truck for a long time, I was being held up at a traffic light my now ex reached out the rear window and shook the hive with a shovel - she sprayed pop on the perpetrator, end of story...

Bees? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2022 12:41 PM

Vee, that puts a new twist on concealed carry.

Bees? (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2022 6:41 PM

I like DJ's response about the bees.

But I don't understand why you need to mention that she is attractive...what does that have to do with anything? And for tattoos...they are so common today and IMO should not be any type of deciding factor. Your use of the word Satanic concerns me...focus on the factors that history, evictions, violent criminal background, how they keep their current place, income, etc.

Bees? (by Patti [OK]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2022 11:19 AM

Talk to her first and ask her to remove the bees to the outside, they do not belong inside except in a hive. Check with you local ordinances and see if this is even allowed in your town. Bees cannot be inside. And this is not a pet. This will cause problems inside the property and damages.

Bees? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2022 3:57 PM

I agree with above that "long time landlord" mentioning the long list of attractive, Christian lady, all American, tattoos and satan doesn't seem to jive.

As for the bees, why in the world wouldn't you have said, get them out of here before I am finished my repairs. Then, called a beekeeper to remove them. I don't care if they are pets and what the lease says about pets. I don't care if they are emotional support bees whose buzzing comforts her. I don't care if they are medically necessary. I don't care what the lease or the municipality does or does not say. There is some valid reason other than common sense not to have bees living in your kitchen and by the time she would get you to court you could figure out that reason.

Bees? (by AZ landlord [CA]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2022 6:23 PM

If you don't know if you are allergic to bees, well, the potential serious or fatal allergic reaction of yourself, another tenant, or a neighbor may give you grounds to require removal of the bees.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, and your state, county, municipal, and local laws should be consulted first.

There's probably at least one bee-keeper in your area who would be willing to remove the bees for cheap or free.

The stuff about attractive, young, Christian, "All American," "satanic," "sinister," "hiding," "deceptive," "lies," etc - you are leaping to a LOT of conclusions that can get you in deep trouble over discrimination and fair housing laws, as others have mentioned.

The attractiveness, age, and nationality of your tenant are irrelevant, or ought to be.

There is no law requiring tenants to reveal tattoos to landlords, and it probably never even crossed her mind that you would think she was hiding them. Tattoos are very common nowadays and typically reveal nothing about someone's religion or character (or lack of either).

I'm not a Christian, so you can imagine my reaction to the implication that Christian = good character.

My boyfriend had some tenants who forever talked a blue streak about Jesus and church, and when they moved out, they tried to hide all the damage they did to rip him off for the security deposit. (He's a contractor, so their tricks failed spectacularly.)

I used to have a tenant who mentioned she marched at some event with the Church of Satan. I have no idea if she belonged to the Church of Satan or not. That's not my business either way.

What was my business was whether or not she was a good tenant.

She was a wonderful tenant - she had an excellent credit history; she was respectful of landlords, neighbors, and property; she conformed to the lease and the law; and she always paid her rent early. I was sorry when she bought a place and moved away.

As a landlord, I keep my focus on things like these.

Bees? (by Rande [VA]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2022 10:15 PM

Lots or most military personnel have tatoos these days. Donno what it is, a fad?

The Bees are a problem. They are unapproved pets OR Pests. Either way they have to go. What if some of those bees decide to make another nest in your attic or inside of the walls of your building. You wont' find out until she moves out and the next tenant complains. Who will pay for its removal then? YOU!

The bees have to go! Best of luck.

Bees? (by Bertha J [KY]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2022 1:17 PM



Bees? (by lori [FL]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2022 9:21 AM

If he is paying his rent, a good tenant ... leave him alone but make him give you some honey. Bees might be better than a dog or cat. If he moves out and leaves the bees behind, call another bee keeper and they would be happy to take the bees for free. I have never had to pay for bee removal. Bees are in short supply and there is always another bee keeper that would welcome free bees.

Bees? (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Jul 8, 2022 10:18 AM

i keep bees in my back yard in a VERY tract housey 'hood. they do their thing and no one gets stung but indoor bees? oh hell no. sooner or later the hive will swarm off a new queen and who knows where that one will end up. inside a wall, in a crawl space. tell her the hive has to go. --75.80.xx.xx

Bees? (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Jul 8, 2022 10:19 AM

and no, you do not sign a "contract" with her about issue a memo about allowing pests in the home --75.80.xx.xx

Bees? (by Jerry [NY]) Posted on: Jul 9, 2022 5:47 AM

Let's first remember that we depend on the pollination services bees provide for our food source...

Although protecting ones property with "attack bees" sounds appealing, cohabitation with bees does not. At least not to me, but I am allergic to them.

I personally don't have tats, but I believe everyone has the freedom to choose to get them. They have become mainstream at this point. Just go to any beach.

Historically and recently, "Christians" have been responsible for many violent and very heinous acts. I would not think of using either as a criteria for renting.

If she enjoys bee keeping, maybe they can be relocated somewhere else on the property. A jar of honey for rent sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me!

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