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Tenants from hell (by L.L. [MI]) Jun 24, 2022 10:04 AM
       Tenants from hell (by David [MI]) Jun 24, 2022 10:30 AM
       Tenants from hell (by Scott [IN]) Jun 24, 2022 10:30 AM
       Tenants from hell (by MikeA [TX]) Jun 24, 2022 10:49 AM
       Tenants from hell (by Allym [NJ]) Jun 24, 2022 11:36 AM
       Tenants from hell (by DJ [VA]) Jun 24, 2022 12:41 PM
       Tenants from hell (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 24, 2022 12:45 PM
       Tenants from hell (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jun 24, 2022 1:43 PM
       Tenants from hell (by David [MI]) Jun 24, 2022 2:13 PM
       Tenants from hell (by John... [MI]) Jun 24, 2022 2:59 PM
       Tenants from hell (by Lana [IN]) Jun 24, 2022 4:44 PM
       Tenants from hell (by John... [MI]) Jun 24, 2022 4:51 PM
       Tenants from hell (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 24, 2022 6:00 PM
       Tenants from hell (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 24, 2022 8:46 PM
       Tenants from hell (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 24, 2022 8:51 PM
       Tenants from hell (by LisaFL [FL]) Jun 25, 2022 1:24 AM
       Tenants from hell (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 26, 2022 12:43 AM
       Tenants from hell (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 26, 2022 10:14 PM
       Tenants from hell (by John... [MI]) Jun 27, 2022 8:27 AM
       Tenants from hell (by Kelly [OH]) Jun 27, 2022 11:57 AM
       Tenants from hell (by Kelly [OH]) Jun 27, 2022 11:57 AM
       Tenants from hell (by ned [AL]) Jun 29, 2022 6:24 PM

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Tenants from hell (by L.L. [MI]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 10:04 AM
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I just got rid of tenants from hell after almost a year of living in the apartment, I gave them a clean and perfect remodel place everything new they did not only destroyed it there was dog poop everywhere, the backyard was a mess not only dog poop holes too, crayons writings on walls and floors. I am getting the place fix to rent it and my question is, can I put in the ad no children children's no pets? --107.119.xx.xx




Tenants from hell (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 10:30 AM
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cannot restrict children. But you can limit to 2 people per bedroom.

Damages can be mitigated by getting previous LL references, searching MI district courts for eviction cases, and getting max security deposit which in MI is 1.5mos --50.4.xxx.x




Tenants from hell (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 10:30 AM
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No, is a partial answer to your question. You cannot discriminate against children. It is a violation of federal law. You can limit the number of people living in your unit based on federal guidelines --107.141.xx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 10:49 AM
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Children are a protected HUD species. Pets not so much unless they are covered with VALID emotional support animal or service animal paper, even then they aren't allowed to be destructive.

Rather than go that route, why don't you eliminate destructive types in your tenant selection process. If you had done an in-home inspection from these people at their previous residence as part of the validation process do you think you would have seen the same outcome as you experienced? Bet you would have and then declined to rent to them. They were moving because they destroyed the previous place, dogs don't change their spots.

What if you had been doing quarterly inspections? Do you think you would have seen the damage early enough to evict them before it got too bad? Most likely. Never be shy about issuing a lease violation and charging for damage as soon as it occurs, we call that wallet training.

What you are describing is failures in your business processes for selecting and managing tenants. Sounds like you are recognizing that and are beginning to ask yourself what you can change to have a better outcome next time. Only problem is you still have to meet the requirements of the law or your outcomes will be even worse.

I haven't seen you post before. I have to say there are dozens if not hundreds of experienced people on this site that will help you improve your processes, welcome aboard. --209.205.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 11:36 AM
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Find a way to get your applicants to email you first. Craig's List does that. Then you can ask questions like "how many people will live here". If they say more than 2 you can move on to the next email. Also "Why are you moving at this time". Also "How will you be paying for the apartment". Then you can come here and post some of the answers you got and I and others will help you with what those answers mean. You don't show the apartment until you email with and then talk to the applicant who sounds good. --108.24.xx.xx




Tenants from hell (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 12:41 PM
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Since you seem new/inexperienced - I also welcome you to this group. You have come to the right place. Learn everything you can from this website - there is a LOT of great information here. Invest in training - it is a lot cheaper than what you are experiencing now. There is a bootcamp coming up in a few weeks. GO!

In the meantime, Listen to MikeA!

Before you rent out your re-renovated place again, establish better criteria and processes for choosing the next occupants.

Start with "what type of resident do I want?"

Examples:

If you want someone who is generally financially responsible - check their credit report & learn how to interpret it. Determine how long they should be at their job & what their income needs to be (also count their debt payments).

If you want someone who pays their rent on time - learn to check court records for judgements from previous landlords & establish a set of questions to ask previous landlords.

I you want someone who takes care of the property, also conduct a brief in-home visit of their current residence before approving them.

ETC.

Whatever it is that you want, pre-determine what you can do to verify that they are like that.

The FIRST step you need to take is to LEARN THE LAW, so you can abide by it.

Asking if you can say "no children" shows that you have NO CLUE what the laws are. Click in the upper left area of this page for a link to your state housing laws, and search online for Federal ones.

After you do some research, come back here with more questions and to get clarification and hear our experiences dealing with things.

I'm sorry this happened to you, but chalk it up to tuition forProperty Management 101. It won't be wasted if you LEARN from it and move on doing better. --68.229.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 12:45 PM
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One out of three are problem tenants looking to another eviction all over again where they look for a inexperienced rental housing provider who hands out key without running a credit check on all adult applicants. If they are going to show up then explain if they interested they will be required to bring completely filled out applications along with providing three pieces of photo copied identification along with valid social insurance number. More often then not they never come back with rental applications where only out the loss of a few photocopies. Consider joining a landlords association where google to find near where rentals are located. The cost of membership is paid for over a period of a year. Had someone around 30 years looking for a apartment where handed two rental applications where he said his girl friend would not fill out. It sounds like in movie where the bad people are holed up somewhere namely mothers basement. Six months later he was still holed up there with his girl friend where told was involved if interested in rental unit. It is not discrimination as they have put themselves in that situation. In the province of Ontario vacancy rates are at zero or one per cent on and off where a credit score of seven hundred and above or they walk. This avoids the trashing out story forever. Once ran a thorough credit check then look at history where any rental address comes up then go over then inquire. If they moving every three to six months along with unpaid utilities then let them walk. Unpaid utilities and unpaid rent go hand in hand together. One went far they were going me to human rights where told them fix negative credit reports then reapply where they owe thousands. So in the end would one pass keys through the gates of hell or let those gates stay closed forever. Rental housing providers have a right to screen out problem tenants where there is no discrimination as one observing all the human rights criteria. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 1:43 PM
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I wouldn't put anything in your ad about things you won't accept. If you do, it will only make it harder for you to detect those things because they know they need to lie about them. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 2:13 PM
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Landlord of the Flies nails it on the head. Be very very careful about the criteria you mention in the ad.

Credit and income can be verified, but pets can easily be sneaked in afterwards.

I allow pets except the breeds my insurance does not like. But I do not put that in the ad. In the ad it says I allow cats, small dogs, and big dogs. So they are not on alert to lie to me --50.4.xxx.x




Tenants from hell (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 2:59 PM
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To be very clear, what Allym just told you to do is a federal crime. Please keep that in mind when taking advice from random people... :)

-John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 4:44 PM
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Allym is not random. Pre-screening and pre-applications before offering an appointment are not federal crimes. I do agree you can't screen out because of children or ESAs. --216.23.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 4:51 PM
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Ally's advice was very clear. The original question was if they could say "no children." Ally's answer was to ask how many people would live there and then to just ignore them if they say anything more than 2. That pretty clearly and blatantly violates the Fair Housing Act regarding familial status and, therefore, is illegal.

--67.209.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 6:00 PM
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Tenants can still have children where in most cases children are not a problem. Those tenants who are problems are in a never ending merry go round that keeps turning as they still find rental units that do not run thorough credit checks on all adult applicants. Once the credit score is 700 and above the problem tenants are screened out. There was a town in the province of Ontario tenants trashed every rental unit then moved on as they found rental units where keys were handed out. If utilities are separated out then a lot of them disqualify immediately. Problem tenants avoid looking for rental units that thorough credit checks on all adult applicants as they already know they will not qualify. Damage to rental units or houses can be done by people who do not have any children at all only dogs. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 8:46 PM
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You must accept children, and step children, and wards, and any sort of child at all. However, you do not have to accept people who do damage.

That is why you do the in-home inspection before you accept a tenant. If their kids have drawn all over the walls and the people are pigs, they won't be able to clean their current residence up to a suitable level before you can get there.

If there are drawings all over the wall and dog poop in the carpet, you do not reject for children. You reject because they have a history of doing damage to a rental.

In fact, the word "children" probably should never cross your lips. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2022 8:51 PM
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And I second the opinion that it is illegal to reject any applicant because there are more than two people who will be residents... unless you are renting a small studio apartment where you can legally limit the occupants to two (but can not reject if one of them is a child).

Just don't reject for the number of occupants or for children. If you don't want the applicant find a legal reason to reject that doesn't violate fair housing laws.

If you can't think of a legal reason come back and ask us what would be legal. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2022 1:24 AM
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Sorry John, but I disagree. There is nothing wrong with choosing a tenant based on the number of residents. You need not initially ask for ages of anyone. You canít very well be accused of discriminating against children when you havenít asked if there are any, Better yet just make every adult individually qualify and meet your income requirements. Thatís the best approach which gets the highest quality tenant. --75.89.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 26, 2022 12:43 AM
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Sorry you experienced these bad tenants...I'm sure most of us have also...I know I have.

One thing you might consider in the future is an "in home visit" prior to approval. Go see where they live now, and look around. This will tell you how clean they are, if you can see or smell animals, and give you a general idea of whether they will take care of your property. --99.92.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 26, 2022 10:14 PM
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How often did you inspect this place?

Once you saw something going in a manner that you didn't appreciate, what did you do to change it? --24.101.xxx.xxx




Tenants from hell (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 27, 2022 8:27 AM
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LisaFL: We can agree to disagree then. The law is pretty clear about discriminating based on familial status and that was clearly what Ally was suggesting be done. Limiting a place to only 2 people, in my opinion, would EASILY be seen by a judge as attempting to limit children from the unit.

And, again, the question here was "can I limit the number of children?" and that was the answer given -- it was CLEARLY intended to do exactly that and we all know it would be fairly successful at that.

And, it certainly is illegal to "choose a tenant based on the number of residents" if the intention of that choice is to limit children -- which was the intent here.

--67.209.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by Kelly [OH]) Posted on: Jun 27, 2022 11:57 AM
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Leave it empty until the right prospect comes along. Just keep saying that you haven't made a decision yet. It's true. --71.213.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by Kelly [OH]) Posted on: Jun 27, 2022 11:57 AM
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Leave it empty until the right prospect comes along. Just keep saying that you haven't made a decision yet. It's true. --71.213.xxx.xx




Tenants from hell (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Jun 29, 2022 6:24 PM
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I ask: what are the names of all others who will be living in the home?

Find ways to deny as needed.

If you don't want the applicant find a legal reason to reject that doesn't violate fair housing laws. --199.36.xxx.xxx



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