MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 22, 2022 8:49 AM|
MH Tough Situation (by S i d [MO]) Jun 22, 2022 9:54 AM
MH Tough Situation (by RB [TN]) Jun 22, 2022 9:57 AM
MH Tough Situation (by MC [PA]) Jun 22, 2022 11:01 AM
MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 22, 2022 11:18 AM
MH Tough Situation (by Robert J [CA]) Jun 22, 2022 11:36 AM
MH Tough Situation (by DJ [VA]) Jun 22, 2022 12:13 PM
MH Tough Situation (by MikeA [TX]) Jun 22, 2022 12:33 PM
MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 22, 2022 12:46 PM
MH Tough Situation (by Ken [NY]) Jun 22, 2022 12:57 PM
MH Tough Situation (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 22, 2022 1:27 PM
MH Tough Situation (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 22, 2022 1:29 PM
MH Tough Situation (by DJ [VA]) Jun 22, 2022 1:51 PM
MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 22, 2022 1:52 PM
MH Tough Situation (by MikeA [TX]) Jun 22, 2022 4:31 PM
MH Tough Situation (by MC [PA]) Jun 23, 2022 12:11 PM
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MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 8:49 AM
I really don't like filing on ANYONE. In my eyes, I have failed if I have to file and eviction. Then again, some people - it is all the better.
I bought a 21 acre parcel that had a single trailer on it back in 2017. The person has been there and owned the trailer for seven years. I have been trying to have the trailer owner to buy a couple of acres that have been cleared off so they have a place to call there own. That hasn't been a priority.
At the same time, I have had an Amish team working in the back thinning out and harvesting trees. The trees themselves have paid for the cost of the land. But the resident isn't the easiest person to deal with. Her mom says she suffers from PTSD, and I am not sure if it is that or just being a grouch.
She booted the Amish works out of the woods about three months ago and that was enough for me to give her a 60 day notice to move the trailer. The Amish were aware to stay clear of the house but there just isn't enough space on 21 acres for her and anyone else. The Amish woodsman have a family member that is interesting in buying the place.
The trailer was removed this weekend. So that was a welcome site. What wasn't welcome was the deck which was in the ground was torn off and set off to the side. Along with that there is a motorcycle, grill and some lawn furniture left behind.
PA law says possession occurs when keys transfer or if an eviction is finalized. Keys are not going to transfer, and I am not exactly sure what to classify the deck. If I say it is real property, then it was left damaged. If it is classified as her property, then it is left behind after the 60 day period expired.
She is also saying that she replaced the water pump on the well, but my request for a copy of the receipt have been ignored. So I guess I need to do a skip trace to find out where she is at so I can evict her since she isn't responding to my text asking if all her personal property has been removed.
Pa does have a couple of strange twist in the L/T laws when it comes to mobile homes. so tomorrow I'll be talking with an attorney. I don't want her to say that I destroyed her deck that she left behind.
The good news is I am doubling my money in about five years on the land with the sale and that doesn't include the $17,000 in timber harvest either. I do know though, the headaches from this resident were not worth the small lot rent I was getting.
MH Tough Situation (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 9:54 AM
A deck? A motorcycle? A grill? Other stuff?
Not sure what you're talking about Ray, unless you mean that big pile of scorched land near where the trailer used to sit. Looks like someone lit a bonfire there. --184.4.xx.xx
MH Tough Situation (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 9:57 AM
The Daily Rant:
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"Board of Advisers", with 2045 posts,
this can only be interpreted as
"just another day at the office."
MH Tough Situation (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 11:01 AM
I would think it was abandonment. You know to follow your laws. No utilities, blah blah... --73.230.xxx.xx
MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 11:18 AM
Just living that American dream.
Make no mistake about it - EVERYONE finds themselves with a pain occasionally. No one is immune
I find great solace that all my customers give me joy - some when they come and other when they go. My completion deserves just a fine prize. --24.101.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 11:36 AM
I had purchased a mountain type home on some land. The prior Tenant, Not Owner, had a stolen motorcycle trailer they left behind when they moved out before the sale. Since the trailer had not serial number, vin number or license plate, the local police would not "take it away". I gave notice to the last owner and tenants they had 6 (six) months to remove it. Value less than $50.
So I took my Sawzall and cut it into small pieces and gave it to a recycling scrap dealer, metal value around $10.
When the prior tenants drove by and saw it missing, they filed a theft report on me. In this case now the police had a claimant, criminal (me) and "valued" property missing so they came to question and possibly arrest me unless I made restitution.
What do you think happen?
I had my security video, system with 8 camera's, one facing the trailer 24/7. I had video of the tenants teenage son stopping by to pick up the trailer. Only problem the trailer had 1 tire that wouldn't hold air. So after hooking up the trailer and trying to take it away, he had to disconnect it and leave it behind once again. But her drove out of view from that camera. So I told the police I have footage of the son removing the trailer from the side lot.
So now the police could arrest the tenants for filing a false police report. Was the tenants ever charged? OF course not!
Since then, 1985, I never accept tenants valued left behind unless I send them written communication and get a response, they don't want it! --47.156.xx.xx
MH Tough Situation (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 12:13 PM
I'm glad things are moving in the direction you want, in spite of the "leftovers" to deal with.
It's interesting to hear such varied experiences we have.
My day-to-day is much different than yours - or anybody else's here.
That's what is great (one thing)about this forum - a lot of different perspectives and experiences. --68.229.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 12:33 PM
Several years ago I had an eviction scheduled while I was out of town so my wife took care of it. Sheriff cut the lock off the garage which was piled full of junk. He called it trash and gave her possession and left. A few minutes later she was inside changing the locks and there was a policeman at the door. The conversation went like this:
Policeman: Is that your junk in the garage?
Wife: Yes officer it is.
Policeman: There is a stolen motorcycle in there.
Wife: Stammering, not knowing what to say, she finally gets out that the Sheriff served an eviction a few minutes ago and she had no idea what was in there.
Officer: (laughing out loud at this point) tells her he knows because the Sheriff told him and he would like to get the motorcycle and return it to the owner so she didn't have to go to jail.
Apparently, a friend of the deadbeat owed the evictee money and would never let the friend retrieve the motorcycle from the garage, Police couldn't get it without a court order. When they saw the inter departmental notice for the eviction they scheduled to come by after to attempt to retrieve it.
Needless to say, that was the last eviction my wife ever helped with, boy was she mad.
So, you might be careful on handling that motorcycle. --209.205.xxx.xx
MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 12:46 PM
In the groups eyes, who own the deck? It was attached to the grow, but also the trailer
It is still sitting there - torn apart. I don't want to burn it....and then have them claim that it is theirs. --24.101.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 12:57 PM
I would assume she took what she wanted and clean the place up and be done with it.Does your lease discuss not leaving anything outside? --74.77.xx.xx
MH Tough Situation (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 1:27 PM
I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that since a deck is typically attached to the property via posts and cement, that it's a "permanent" structure and would not be considered a belonging. Kind of like when you sell a house there's usually some language in the contract that anything "affixed" to the house stays with it unless specifically stated otherwise.
This is an opportunity to add a lease clause stating that "any items left that are attached to a home owned by us (shelving, built-in items, crown moldings, etc.) or the property (such as decks, cemented swingsets, gazebos, storage sheds, etc.). We define "attached" as any item that cannot be removed within 5 minutes with common hand tools by an unskilled person."
Obviously check wording with an attorney...I just made up that wording while sitting here...but you get the idea. --99.92.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 1:29 PM
I just got to thinking that my post above may lead to some issues...for example if they cement a swingset in the ground and leave it all rusty for you.
We have a clause in our lease that the house must be returned to the condition in which it was at move-in, excepting for normal wear and tear. This clause would mean they need to remove the swingset...so you probably should dovetail the above language with any similar clause you have. --99.92.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 1:51 PM
It seems you may be in a better position if the deck is NOT their personal property, but part of YOUR land.
Most decks I have seen by mobile homes have not actually been ATTACHED to the mobile home, but rather just placed really close to it.
Could this have been the case here? --68.229.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 1:52 PM
I have a solid lease covering my Singles and Multi's but I used a an off the shelf mobile home lease. This reads as if this was in a park. Pa law though says, a park is three of more mobile homes.
The lease doesn't cover this well as so often the tenant builds a deck on to the place. They bought the trailer with that there. I bought it with it there also.
So either I need to charge them to get rid of the thing or I need to charge them for damage to it - which is sorta lame......The Dutch are not moving a trailer there. --24.101.xxx.xxx
MH Tough Situation (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 4:31 PM
If I understand your post correctly, personal property becomes yours after 60 days in your state. If that's the case then just leave the stuff there until her time expires and then sell it (or give it to your Amish buyer). You can drive yourself bonkers trying to figure out what a judge would do on oddball stuff like this.
I always figure if they really cared about stuff they wouldn't leave it where it will get stolen by someone (someone I mentioned it to maybe?). --209.205.xxx.xx
MH Tough Situation (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2022 12:11 PM
Personally, I would not want them back on my property. --73.230.xxx.xx
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