how dare you mow (by Duplexer [IL]) Jun 18, 2022 11:12 AM|
how dare you mow (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 18, 2022 11:34 AM
how dare you mow (by Ken [NY]) Jun 18, 2022 11:42 AM
how dare you mow (by Richard [MI]) Jun 18, 2022 12:17 PM
how dare you mow (by Dee Ann [WI]) Jun 18, 2022 12:40 PM
how dare you mow (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 18, 2022 12:45 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 18, 2022 12:50 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 18, 2022 12:53 PM
how dare you mow (by jonny [NY]) Jun 18, 2022 1:00 PM
how dare you mow (by Duplexer [IL]) Jun 18, 2022 1:26 PM
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 18, 2022 1:36 PM
how dare you mow (by Duplexer [IL]) Jun 18, 2022 2:05 PM
how dare you mow (by MikeA [TX]) Jun 18, 2022 3:20 PM
how dare you mow (by WMH [NC]) Jun 18, 2022 3:56 PM
how dare you mow (by Busy [WI]) Jun 18, 2022 3:58 PM
how dare you mow (by MC [PA]) Jun 18, 2022 4:31 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 18, 2022 5:48 PM
how dare you mow (by Robert J [CA]) Jun 18, 2022 5:50 PM
how dare you mow (by Sandy [CO]) Jun 18, 2022 5:50 PM
how dare you mow (by Busy [WI]) Jun 18, 2022 6:56 PM
how dare you mow (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 18, 2022 7:13 PM
how dare you mow (by plenty [MO]) Jun 18, 2022 9:37 PM
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 18, 2022 11:43 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 19, 2022 7:50 AM
how dare you mow (by MC [PA]) Jun 19, 2022 8:20 AM
how dare you mow (by RB [TN]) Jun 19, 2022 11:02 AM
how dare you mow (by MC [PA]) Jun 19, 2022 11:51 AM
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 19, 2022 12:53 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 19, 2022 1:38 PM
how dare you mow (by Paulio [PA]) Jun 19, 2022 2:19 PM
how dare you mow (by Vee [OH]) Jun 19, 2022 8:39 PM
how dare you mow (by Jason [VA]) Jun 20, 2022 7:27 AM
how dare you mow (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 20, 2022 8:00 AM
how dare you mow (by S i d [MO]) Jun 20, 2022 8:33 AM
how dare you mow (by WMH [NC]) Jun 20, 2022 10:44 AM
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 20, 2022 12:25 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 20, 2022 12:28 PM
how dare you mow (by John... [MI]) Jun 20, 2022 12:43 PM
how dare you mow (by WMH [NC]) Jun 20, 2022 2:57 PM
how dare you mow (by Ken [NY]) Jun 20, 2022 3:21 PM
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 20, 2022 4:36 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 20, 2022 4:41 PM
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Jun 20, 2022 4:53 PM
how dare you mow (by Nicole [PA]) Jun 21, 2022 12:22 PM
how dare you mow (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 22, 2022 9:55 AM
how dare you mow (by Busy [WI]) Jun 23, 2022 9:24 AM
how dare you mow (by Duplexer [IL]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 11:12 AM
I haul my butt over there on Saturday morning and spend 2 1/2 hours mowing weeding and trimming tenant's lawn.
Tenant then sends me a blistering memo saying "Do you realize you're mowing (my lawn) at 6:30 in the morning on a Saturday? I work nights."
First of all, its been 100'F for the past two weeks. I'm not mowing lawns in the blazing sun.
Second how am I supposed to know your work schedule.
Never mind not saying thanks for the work. But this is a new one. To have them complain that while I'm outside doing their yardwork for free, I'm disturbing their sleep.
Ignore the complaint, or respond? WWYD
how dare you mow (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 11:34 AM
I think I would let him know that if he would like to mow the lawn himself, he could mow at any hour he wanted as long as the lawn was kept mowed.
I suspect that 6:30 AM is outside the legal quiet hours, but you might just double check that. Quiet hours vary from location to location. As long as you are outside quiet hours, go ahead and mow when it is convenient.
Maybe text or email the day before that you will be there in the AM to mow, just as a courtesy. --76.178.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 11:42 AM
If it is a 1 family the tenant should be doing the lawn,2 family and they have nothing to say about it.I would not respond,if they say something again i would tell them no problem i will hire a lawn service who will mow during the week,i will let you know how much the rent increase will be when i find out what they charge for the job --74.77.xx.xx
how dare you mow (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 12:17 PM
Send a $100 rent increase. --24.180.xx.xx
how dare you mow (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 12:40 PM
We have a tenant who hasn't been mowing, 2nd shifter also. We were thinking of hiring someone to do it and bill him. You might want top suggest that. We have it in the lease it his his responsibility and if the City fines, it is much higher than if a handyman charges for it.
Or letting him know that for his safety he should make the outside of the house look lived in, as he was broken into last summer, and warned to keep the lawn mowed. There's very little to mow; we have a patio in back, very small front lawn.
how dare you mow (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 12:45 PM
IMO 6:30 is too early to mow. Yes they could have been nicer, but this is an opportunity for you to take the high road. Email saying that you’re sorry about the noise but for health reasons (the heat) you needed to mow earlier than normal. Tell them that in the future you will send an email the day before but that unfortunately sometimes you have to mow early to avoid the heat. You might also say that unfortunately you cannot accommodate everyone’s work schedules as you have multiple tenants.
IMO 8 am is the earliest I would ever mow --99.92.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 12:50 PM
Hmm I wonder if electric mowers would be quieter and less disturbing
I was mowing a vacant rental at 9am on a Sunday and got yelled at by the neighbor --50.4.xxx.x
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 12:53 PM
Before the pandemic , I would also run my big snow blower at 5am to clear driveway before going to work. Not happening now that I mostly still work from home --174.240.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 1:00 PM
Yeah ... 6:30am is quite early. I totally understand your point though (due to the heat). I would either say as the others stated "I apologize but due to the heat I needed to mow earlier than I normally do ... if this keeps up I can text you to advise when I will be mowing with the time or you can mow at your convenience." type thing.
I haven't been told it's too early but I normally don't start before 8am although I may start at 7:30am if I have other things going on that I need to do, etc. If it's too hot I just don't do it LOL. --69.201.xx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Duplexer [IL]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 1:26 PM
6:30am is legally too early to mow eh. Well bite this scolders. Sunrise was at 5:15am, and the front street there was FULL OF PEOPLE at 6:30am. People were sitting in their cars right out in front of the building with their engines running and AC's on, the next door neighbor was out ALSO MOWING. People were walking up and down the street, yelling on their smartphones. At least 5 people came out of their houses in the buildings around and drove off on the street. So you've got a lot of city citations to come hand out in my town if you think 6:30 a.m. is too early to be walking around outside when its 100'F. Come on out tomorrow, I'll watch.
I know some will laugh at this theory but time and again I see this pattern after years of leasing, and its the same with many different tenants. They always send the most surprisingly rude and demanding messages after I've been out doing the yardwork. Is there something to seeing your landlord mowing and trimming the hedges, that makes a tenant suddenly feel like they're the boss? Like they're staying at a full service hotel?
I can't think of any other real explanation. I would almost swear by it, if it wasn't so bizarre.
I mean believe me I'm not doing lawns for my health. There just isn't anything in the budget right now to hire lawn service. But its weird that instead of respecting you for doing the extra work, they disrespect you for doing the work, lol. idk.
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 1:36 PM
In my little suburb, legal quiet hours begin at 7am ON WEEKDAYS, 8 am on Weekend days.
I should point out how 4 posters (4) offered comments that give landlords the reputation that they have.
how dare you mow (by Duplexer [IL]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 2:05 PM
6:30am is legally too early to disturb a tenant's nap while mowing their lawn, outside the building.
Yes I know the drill. When the landlord does it, its illegal.
When the tenant does it, its their 'right'.
But as my father likes to say, "I digress" lol.
how dare you mow (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 3:20 PM
You asked what we would do and then rake posters over the coals for their answers because it wasn't the response you wanted? I'm seeing a trend here in how you treat others, might be time to lighten up a bit.
Legal or not, it is socially unacceptable to mow in an urban area at 6:30AM, always has been. Can you do it? sure. Are you going to tick someone off? sure.
Quiet hours from 9:00 PM until 8:00 AM are the standard good-neighbor behavior.
how dare you mow (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 3:56 PM
Duplexer, you seem to have a lot of personality conflicts with your tenants.
6.30 in the morning is too early for you to be making a lot of noise outside their house no matter when they work. --50.82.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 3:58 PM
David in MI, yes, electric mowers and snowblowers are MUCH quieter. I have a set of EGO brand mower and snowblower. Love them! So easy to lift them into the back of the SUV too, at only about 60 pounds each. No big ramps required to get them into the pickup like I had to do with the Honda mower. Cut isn't quite as perfect as the Honda, the EGO leaves a few 'holidays' but Ego now has a model with two blades for better cutting. Might try that in a few years.
Duplexer, I mow my four little single family homes as I am fussy about having a nice looking place, love to garden/ landscape, and it gives me opportunity to check on properties when tenants aren't the greatest. This year I went back to having a set day of the week for mowing, so I don't have to text what day mowing occurs. I DO check with my tenants to verify what was the best day/ time for mowing. After all, they are my customers, and I am in a service industry. One tenant prefers I get done before noon, as they work third shift, go to bed at noon, get back up at eight in evening. Another tenant is retired, and prefers closer to afternoon, as she likes to sleep in. (Cute little Grandma, and she worked hard for many years. ) So, I can accommodate that.
I do occasionally have to reschedule if the rain is heavy, but I've mowed twice this year THROUGH a light rain. Fortunately, I got the hilly parts done before rain. I buy trail shoes just for lawn mowing-better grip, even when wet. ( I expense them on taxes. Very important safety equipment, imo. Though they could be worn for other purposes, they are NOT EVER worn when not working on rentals. And they get grubby looking quickly. But, with yards featuring a couple of steep slopes, I don't slip anymore like I did when I just wore any old sneakers. So, I know they help keep this old workhorse safe.)
I also landscape EXTENSIVELY to reduce maintenance time. Part of that is putting in larger patio or sidewalk areas, as they take so little maintenance. I hauled umpteen truckloads of free pavers ( Craigslist) one very hot summer to edge between grass and planting beds. Mower rides along wide rows of bricks, neatly trimming the edges.
One thing ALWAYS must do, bring Gatorade, and not that zero cal stuff, mowing two lawns a day requires energy, apply sunscreen frequently ( natural redhead, complete with a zillion freckles,) and wear my wide brim ventilated hat. Also, a towel to wipe sweat, and if its really hot, a thin white large dishtowel can be tucked under the hat to drape over the neck and shoulders. If you've ever worn this, you'll know those desert dwellers know what they are doing! Those long white robes keep one cool!
Got two thank yous, one celebration text, and one tenant came out to comment on how quiet my mower is, and what a nice job it does this week. Works for this Grandma! --70.92.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 4:31 PM
If the whole hood is out that early, maybe you area is different. I like that "I will call around for a service idea and raise the rent." Heat is a major factor. --73.230.xxx.xx
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 5:48 PM
On one of those neighborly apps, there was post complaint about someone using their snowblower very early in the morning, maybe 3am or 4am. The feedback from others was basically, it might be a nurse or cop who works early/late shifts, they got to get to work too. You live in places that get snow, expect to hear snow blowers and snow plows at any hour of the night
And I expect that if I lived somewhere like phoenix or Las Vegas, people would put up with mowing very early or very late to beat the heat. Unless the government mandated no grass.
how dare you mow (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 5:50 PM
So here I am a kid, 18 to 20 years old barely able to keep my rentals producing positive cash flow. So to save money I would cut the lawns and clean the pools of my 6 single family homes.
Some clients of my realtors also own a bunch of homes. Jerry owned 16 homes and he never cuts his tenants lawns or cleans their pools. He was a Jeweler that could make enough money win 1 sale to cover the cost of having others do his maintenance.
So for $40 per home I'd get a gardener to do a once a week clean up, and report back if the tenant was doing something wrong to my property.
I also got a pool service to clean my two pools, for $45 a month per home, including adding basic chemicals. So now I was spending $330 a month and had 50 hours a week to make up those cost. I had valued my time at $6.60 an hour. In any field that I could work in, the minimum I could earn was $20 an hour, and up to $50.
So I was cheating myself by doing work to save money but was costing me even more in the log run.
So I sent letters to all of my tenants that I was raising their rent by some small token amount, to help cover hiring help. --47.156.xx.xx
how dare you mow (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 5:50 PM
Duplexer- The heat issue is tough. It sounds like it’s acceptable in your area to mow this early. I would just communicate to your tenants with an email every spring that mowing may need to take place as early as 6:30 am due to heat or other issues beyond your control. And ‘thank you for your understanding.”
Busy - Thank you for the detail you put into all your posts. I really enjoy reading them. Beside Gatorade have you tried “Haymakers Drink”? It’s the original sports drink the farmers working in the field would drink. In a 1/2 gallon jar of water, add the juice of 1 lemon, 5 Tablespoons maple syrup, chopped ginger (1 inch chunk), 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar.
I add salt to mine for electrolytes. Really good especially after 24 hours in the refrigerator. --45.134.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 6:56 PM
Sandy, that sounds yummy. We have two hot days coming up again this week, on my babysitting days. That sounds like a perfect beverage to get Grandma through..
Ya think mowing lawns in the heats is tough, try running after four kids, all different ages and interests in the heat. Oh, boy! Grandma needs a nap! --70.92.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 7:13 PM
[[[[........ 6:30am is legally too early to mow eh. Well bite this scolders........]]]]]]
Unsolicited advice: you come around asking for help and then if you are nasty to the people who respond, it tends to cut way back on the help you receive. Perhaps knowledgeable people will decide you don't deserve any help because you don't react well. --76.178.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 9:37 PM
Resident does sound a bit ungrateful. Apologize and explain about the heat. Maybe together you to can have an understanding that when it's this hot you'll give them the heads up that you are coming over the the morning and they can be more understanding, maybe even sleep with ear plugs. Just apologize. --172.58.xx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2022 11:43 PM
I think that a bottom line is that LL cannot simply do as he pleases. Even if there a good reasons for Duplexer to want to start early and to get done using his weekend, the fact is that tenants have rights too, and one of them involves "normal business hours".
A better approach to the whole landlording problem is to keep in touch with your tenants and what they need/want, to be able to work out mutually satisfactory solutions to problems.
The opposite approach and less satisfactory one is for landlord to simply go ahead and do what he wants, pushing aside all objections as tenant uncooperativeness, and asserting that if they don't like it, they can leave. Aside from the immediate business effect, it gives LLs a reputation that maybe they deserve, and that costs money, even if you don't see that right away.
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 7:50 AM
Moshe, maybe in CA, but normally landlord tenant law means a LL can decline to renew this tenants lease or increase rent.
If a tenant cracks an attitude , then it doesn't matter how legit the complaint is. The LL can feel free to not renew or give 30 day notice. I do not want a tenant who acts like they own the place everytime they have a concern
how dare you mow (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 8:20 AM
I have to say-I am doing the tenant a favor by letting them live at my place. They don't have to stay and I don't have to let them.
DD stayed at a complex for a year-guess who could pretty much walk in with notice? Notice being an email that my or not have been checked. Guess who doesn't go around their schedule when a repair is needed? Guess who got an email that their dog refused them entry when DD didn't know what time they were coming? Advantages and disadvantages to a Mom and Pop. Pretty sure the complex didn't care who was sleeping when they mowed or snow blowed. I used to work 3rd shift-couldn't tell my neighbors not to party because I had to sleep. --73.230.xxx.xx
how dare you mow (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 11:02 AM
Go ahead and tell every First Responder
not to run lights and sirens.
How bout all of the Ding Dongs
arming and disarming their car alarms.
And about the neighbors Rooster ......................
how dare you mow (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 11:51 AM
As for giving them notice-I would say summer is a pretty much every week thing so there is your notice. --73.230.xxx.xx
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 12:53 PM
Is there any wonder why landlords have a bad name? And why present-day society seems to want to punish them?
A really bad tenant needs to be separated from the landlord. But a tenant who complains about 6:30 am lawn mower on a Saturday is not exactly a bad tenant. I would guess that even in MI, he has some right which was violated.
MC's post is pretty hard to understand, except the assertion that the complex didn't care who was sleeping when they mowed or snow blowed. That he used to work 3rd shift-couldn't tell my neighbors not to party because I had to sleep. Thats because there's a time for partying and a time for sleeping, a society determines what most people's schedule is and makes laws accordingly.
"tell every First Responder not to run lights and sirens."
But mowing the lawn at landlord's convenience is not an emergency. Society makes rules for the sake of majority comfort, but they DO make rules. And the neighbor's rooster isn't generally allowed in cities, for just that reason.
Is there any wonder why landlords have a bad name? And why society feels that they should be constrained?
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 1:38 PM
Funny. Early in the pandemic, our state issued an order that landscaping was not essential and landscaping companies couldn't mow. A number of cities told the state to basically shove it and said they would still issue tickets if lawns were not mowed.
So I think we know how urgent lawn mowing is to some munis around here --50.4.xxx.x
how dare you mow (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 2:19 PM
The complainer may have "rights" of some sort via a local ordinance, but I don't think he has any rights as a tenant in this situation. Grass is being mowed outside the building. His noise complaint is no different than that of any non-tenant neighbor. You can apologize or you can tell him to get bent. If you like the guy, you choose the former. If you don't like the guy, you choose the latter. --50.32.xx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2022 8:39 PM
I agree with others you do tickle the tangle with your tenants often - I suggest weeding and harvesting best scented petals to take home, then start the battery weedeater before the gas mower which will whip up all the stuff leftover from previous details. --76.190.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 7:27 AM
Tenant has a right to be upset. 6:30 am on a Saturday? Really? The first time it happened, I’d contact you directly. The second time, I’m letting the law handle it. --50.202.xxx.xx
how dare you mow (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 8:00 AM
What does your lease say about Quiet Enjoyment of the property? Most Landlords don't fully understand what is meant by the Quiet Enjoyment clause/doctrine.
You as the LL are volunteering not to do ANYTHING that will bother the resident reasonably. If they are complaining, are they bothered? So perhaps, this is an opportunity to more clearly explain what the expectations are since they seemed to have been missed somewhere in translation.
If this doesn't make you happy, understand that this is YOUR lease. Change it or change the expectations. Leaders lead --24.101.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 8:33 AM
We live in a 24/7 society. So please someone define where "normal business hours" are defined city wide as "between 7 AM and 7 PM" or whatever.
I rent to day shift, evening shift, and graveyard shift. If I tried to accommodate all their schedules, nothing would ever get done, because three 8 hours shifts = one 24 hour day.
That said, this is mainly for maintenance since most of mine are SFH who mow their own yards. But for maint, "normal business hours" are defined as "when my maintenance man is available." If you want your stuff fixed, be ready when he's ready. If you don't want your stuff fixed, then be prepared to live without it.
I've had some of my 8-5 tenants demand I send a plumber or electrician over during overtime hours. Conversation went like this the first time:
Me: "Can I send them at 10 AM Wednesday?
T: "No, I work 8 am to 5 pm."
Me: "Okay, how about 7 AM?" (I've got one guy who starts that early, no extra charge!).
T: "No, I'm still asleep/getting ready for work."
Me: "Okay, so can I send him at 5:30 PM?"
T: "No, I'm at the gym/taking kiddo to sports activity."
Me: "Okay, so when can I send him?"
T: "Well, I wake up around 9:30 AM on Saturday, so 10 AM would be okay."
My turn... "No, he charges time and half for weekends. I'm not paying 50% more than necessary to fix this place. Find a representative to be there during a weekday to allow access and let me know when that's ready."
T: "10 AM Wednesday will be fine."
Nowadays, I just TELL THEM when maintenance is coming and leave it up to them to figure out how to allow access. I allow ONE reschedule if something truly conflicting comes up, but anything after that and we start charging Admin fees ($40 per event).
how dare you mow (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 10:44 AM
Lawn Care: Landlord will arrange for the regular mowing and maintenance of the yard. Tenant agrees not to impede this work with yard decorations or furniture that cannot be easily moved by one person. Tenant understands that exact time cannot be predicted, as that is determined by weather, including heat and rain. In very hot weather, mowing will take place in the early morning (6-8 am.) Rain may cause mowing to take place before or after usually expected times. Tenant understands that regular lawn maintenance is a requirement of both this lease and the (town,county,etc.) and will not impede this service in any way. --50.82.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 12:25 PM
"We live in a 24/7 society. So please someone define where "normal business hours" are defined city wide as "between 7 AM and 7 PM" or whatever."
Sid, try your local city municipal code. Other sources of legal restrictions might be found in local County regulations. Restriction like noise are usually best left to local control.
My suburb has ordinance § 9.07.050: "It is prohibited for any person to operate, or permit the operation of any gasoline-powered lawn mower, leaf blowers, or similar equipment within the City except between the hours of 8:00 a.m.and 6:00 p.m. Mondays through Fridays, and between the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays."
Here in the big city, we do indeed live in a 24-7 society. But even here in California LaLa land, there is still respect for the neighbors, the religious and otherwise normal people to restrict disturbance to reasonable hours.
The ordinance's official statement of policy says:
" A. In order to control unnecessary, excessive and annoying noise in the City of Culver City, it is hereby declared to be the policy of the City to prohibit or limit such noise generated from or by all sources as specified in this Chapter.
B. It shall be the policy of the City to maintain, preserve and enhance the quiet atmosphere of the City, to implement programs aimed at retaining ambient noise levels throughout the City, and to mitigate noise conflicts. It is determined that certain noise levels are detrimental to the public health, welfare and safety, and are contrary to the public interest. Therefore, creating, maintaining, causing, or allowing to be created, caused, or maintained, any noise in a manner prohibited by the provisions of this Chapter is a public nuisance and shall be punishable as such."
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 12:28 PM
Not respecting people's rights to private property? I expect nothing less from the People's REpublic of California! --50.4.xxx.x
how dare you mow (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 12:43 PM
I'm with Moshe on this. Way too many LLs having an "I can do whatever I want on MY property!" moment in this thread. You rent it to them -- you have to follow the rules that go along with that.
I also agree that, even WITHOUT an legal issues, mowing at 6:30am on a Saturday is annoying as heck. I'd be ticked off too. I get one day a week to sleep in -- Saturday -- and by "sleep in", I mean that I'd like to at least be out until 7:30am. That's not asking for much.
6:30am is ridiculous. Even in heat situations. I mow in the EVENING, not 6:30am.
That's a lame move. Legal or otherwise.
how dare you mow (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 2:57 PM
I think, if the noise ordinance doesn't forbid it, Duplexer could have alleviated some of the issue by texting the tenant: "Hey it's super hot during the middle of the day right now. Do you mind if I start mowing super-early on Saturday?"
Tenant: "Actually, yes I do as I am working nights on Friday and will have just gone to bed."
Duplexer: "Is there a better day for you then? Just don't want to be mowing at noon in the heat of the day."
A little courtesy never hurts.
And Duplexer, one reason your tenants might get a bit pissy about your being outside doing yardwork: perhaps you are over there a bit more than is polite? I know it's disconcerting for me to look outside and see our yard guy just show up and start working, and I'm PAYING him. Having my landlord out in my yard a lot would make me very uncomfortable. --50.82.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 3:21 PM
I dont see the big deal about running a mower at whatever time,both my neighbor and i have riding mowers and i barely hear him when he is doing his lawn,he works weird hours and does it when he has time and doesnt bother me in the least especially when my windows are closed. --74.77.xx.xx
how dare you mow (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 4:36 PM
Did you know that Ann Arbor, MI has an ordinance;
CHAPTER 119: Noise Control, 9:362. - General prohibition.
"It shall be unlawful for any person to create, assist in creating, permit, continue or permit the continuance of any unreasonably loud, disturbing, unusual or unnecessary noise which annoys, disturbs, injures, or endangers the comfort, repose, health, peace or safety of others within the limits of the City of Ann Arbor.:, which includes the use of "The operation, between 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m., of power tools or equipment. "
Did you know that the State of Michigan has a Department of Environmental Quality which has studied the problem and regulated noise levels statewide in terms of permissible decibels?
David, the problem is YOU. This is not a question of private property or not. It is your property, but you rented it out. The terms of the rental were established back in the 13th Century. Everyone knows this except you.
For correlation purposes, I am curious: Did you study in a university?
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 4:41 PM
Well it's a good thing I don't own rentals in Ann Arbor, aka Berkeley of the Midwest.
My rentals muni's noise ordinance is much more specific: "The construction (including excavation), demolition, alteration, or repair of any building may only occur between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m."
As for general noise and annoyance, well, MI has a funny recent history . About ten years ago, MI passed a law completely repealing all regulations on when fireworks can be used. After many many complaints from well-heeled suburbs, the legislature finally reinstated some limited regulations. So NO, not 13th century. --50.4.xxx.x
how dare you mow (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2022 4:53 PM
Let me put it another way, let's take AA's more strict noise ordinance. My gas snow blower makes way more noise than my gas lawn mower, no contest there. Are you saying that AA's ordinance forbids the use of gas snow blowers between 10pm and 7am?
Because that would be hilarious ... --50.4.xxx.x
how dare you mow (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2022 12:22 PM
Around here, most places are 7:00 a.m.
Trash truck now comes anytime after 5:30 due to staffing issues but folks complained ... so they then skip a week saying "no staff" ... double up next week.
I also would mow that early; HOWEVER, I would have informed the tenants a day or so prior rather than "surprise" them.
A few years ago I was getting a roof and it was one of those 100+ degree weeks. Roofer wanted to start very early and finish up by noonish. I forget what the starting time was (perhaps 6ish but I'm not sure) . I told tenants and several neighbors. Tenants didn't say a thing. One neighbor was unhappy but she understood.
how dare you mow (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2022 9:55 AM
I can understand the 10 PM limit. Yesterday was the longest day of the year and sunsets at 9:01 so you could work in the twilight for a little bit.
What doesn't make sense to me is the 7 AM. The sun rises before 6 AM here. I am an early riser and like to get stuff done early (so I can go to sleep after watching Jeopardy and Wheel). Guess that is what happens when you get older. A real late night is making to the 11 o'clock news --24.101.xxx.xxx
how dare you mow (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2022 9:24 AM
My son is planning on buying a battery operated mower for the house he just closed on, so he can mow at 2AM. Really! He works night shifts, so on his days off he likes to keep the schedule going. But, doesn't want to disturb his wife or the other housemate who works the day shifts. And, if ya live where summer sun never quite leaves the sky....
WMH, once again, a very good clause for the lease. Very reasonable. --70.92.xxx.xxx