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Don't buy Rheem! (by Robin [WI]) May 16, 2022 10:08 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Allym [NJ]) May 16, 2022 11:11 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 16, 2022 11:59 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by #22 [MO]) May 17, 2022 1:21 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Robert J [CA]) May 17, 2022 3:00 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 17, 2022 5:15 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Roy [AL]) May 17, 2022 7:28 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Jim in O C [CA]) May 17, 2022 7:30 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by myob [GA]) May 17, 2022 7:37 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Jasper [OH]) May 17, 2022 7:47 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Dee Ann [WI]) May 17, 2022 7:52 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Ken [NY]) May 17, 2022 8:06 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Lynn [MA]) May 17, 2022 8:18 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Jason [VA]) May 17, 2022 8:19 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by S i d [MO]) May 17, 2022 8:32 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Robin [WI]) May 17, 2022 11:59 AM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by myob [GA]) May 17, 2022 12:36 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Ken [NY]) May 17, 2022 12:42 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Vee [OH]) May 17, 2022 12:43 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 17, 2022 2:20 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Renne [TX]) May 17, 2022 2:51 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Wilma [PA]) May 18, 2022 2:30 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Peter [OR]) May 18, 2022 3:56 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by Chris [VA]) May 25, 2022 12:29 PM
       Don't buy Rheem! (by John [NJ]) May 25, 2022 6:35 PM


Don't buy Rheem! (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: May 16, 2022 10:08 PM
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I thought I'd share the educational experience I had this week. Tenant texted me on Saturday morning at 6 a.m: no hot water. It's a Richmond water heater, owned by Rheem, sold by big box stores.

I will skip over the painful resulting tenant drama. You've all been there.

Monday morning, I called the Rheem warranty department. After a half-hour on hold and being transferred twice, I got to talk to someone who told me that

1) the warranty only covers labor for the first 19 months.

2) The only place to get parts is through the manufacturer.

3) They couldn't send out replacement parts without a code. Problem was, the status light was completely out. So I would have to pay someone to come do detective work to figure out what the issue was and what parts we needed.

3) When they did send parts, it would take 5-7 business days for the part to arrive.

I called every plumber within 50 miles that is certified to work on Rheem products. NONE of them service Rheem/Richmond water heaters. Why? They have to tell the customer that it will take 5-7 business days to get the part and a second trip charge to install it.

How many of you have tenants that will cheerfully accept no hot water for a week? Personally, I am going to cheerfully pay the premium for Bradford White or another plumbing-store brand that can actually be serviced. I was getting quotes for $2000 and up for a 40 gallon power vent.

The happy ending to my story is that I was able to ask a friend to look at it before the plumber showed up. He did some sleuthing and figured out that the tenant's unauthorized live-in boyfriend's son had unplugged the water heater so he could charge his phone. The tenant swore to me that the blower motor was running when we did the initial troubleshooting. Grrrr....

--172.58.xxx.x




Don't buy Rheem! (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: May 16, 2022 11:11 PM
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This is the first time I have ever heard of replacing parts on a water heater. Usually they run for about 12 years, stop working and get hauled to the curb and replaced. I do see that it's a power vent. I have one of those. Very expensive. If anything happens I will try to get someone to get the part. --108.24.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 16, 2022 11:59 PM
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Robin,

It’s now the way of the world!

We use Bradford White because

-I lost 5 Whirlpool WH from Lowes when the class action suit froze any replacements. No more Whirlpool

-Consumer Reports rated Bradford White Best Value

-my locally owned hardware store sells the BW for the same price as Lowes Whirlpool…AND he delivers!

-many WHs and years of use without issues.

BRAD --73.103.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 1:21 AM
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Richmond is trash. 4/4 died on me. All defective gas valves. I talked to the sales rep, he said he'd make it up to me... his fix, a $100 gift card... they need a class action and deserve one --174.209.xxx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 3:00 AM
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I am a Licensed Plumbing Contractor, trained my Rheem and other manufacturers. When a part on a water heater goes bad, you call your plumber. I come out and find the trouble. Under their warranty, the "Owner" has to have the plumber order the part but have it sent to the "owners" home, needing a signature for release. Then I have to come back to get the part and install it, charging the manufacturer for my time.

But instead I install a replacement part from my stock ad order a new one for the client. I have to bill the client for the part, out wise they would never hand over the replacement part within a reasonable time.

Many times the owner lives in Beverly Hills and the Rental is located 50 miles away. --47.155.xx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 5:15 AM
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Water heaters sold at the big box stores are lowest quality out there as the stores want maximum mark up. Find out which part fails then buy a few so in the future can repair immediately. Basically a direct fired hot water heater is a disposable where constant firing as there heat loss going up the chimney when no hot water is being used. If there is boiler then buying a indirect hot water is more efficient along very low standby of less then one degree per hour. A good quality indirect hot water tank will made of stainless steel where will outlast the disposable direct fired hot water tank. In the house since there is furnace in 2005 bought a Takagi demand hot water heater where no storage. Other then clean no parts were ever replaced. A boiler is more reliable along with much more hot water per hour as the BTU output is higher. At first a indirect hot water tank sounds expensive but over a period of twenty to thirty years operating costs are less. --68.69.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 7:28 AM
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I love Rheem water heaters. Been using them for 15 years in all of my houses and never had a problem with them. Also, Rheem and Ruud are the exact same unit, just a different name plate. --71.207.xxx.x




Don't buy Rheem! (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 7:30 AM
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I always buy my water heaters from a plumbing supply rather than Home Depot or Lowe's. --89.45.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 7:37 AM
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analize what you posted. These warranties are what we all face on ALL purchases. The manufacturers don't really have warranties.

You posted "don't buy RHEEM" (and I'm not a big supporter of any product) because YOUR tenant unplugged something mounted on it?? This has nothing to do with RHEEM water heaters and everything to do with the tenant.

So my bottom line is to you the LL. I know you can't believe it-- it's your fault. BUT IT IS.

The owner/manager's job is to be on the lookout for problems-- not sit back and CALL others to fix or to blame others. In this case a simple cursory check of the waterheater-- you know make sure the circuit breaker isn't tripped or wire cut or gas turned off-- simple things- oh and unit is plugged in. No! people get or are lazy. Always verify isn't just for putting someone in your home-- but covers all aspects of managing and LL'ing.

Maybe rather than down playing a product on this evaluation you should eval where you are in RE. You gave this RHEEM a bad rap-- just like we hate the honey do list from tenants-- the manufacturers know that their products are usually OK so why should THEY pay from the warranty pool money to eval a water heater that isn't bad? Do you think when they call a tech it's free? NO! it eats into their product profit. A frivolous maintenance visit-- we all know about those non-recoupable expenses. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Jasper [OH]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 7:47 AM
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In my early days of landlording some 30 years ago, a tenant called with a no heat problem. Even though I lived only 15 minutes from the house, I immediately called my furnace guy to go over. Turned out the tenant's child had turned the furnace off at the switch. It was a lesson well learned. Since that day, I have always verified any appliance malfunction. --50.96.xxx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 7:52 AM
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We've still got a running 30 gallon we use daily, installed in 1986. We've performed no maintenance to it.

We have one Richmond at a property behind us. Bought several replacement WH's per my plumber's advice to have one on hand at each property for fastest replacement. Hubby drains the WH and unboxes the replacement while plumber is on his way. I can't remember when we needed a replacement. I may have to Will them to my plumber.

Now that I've said that, we'll probably get WH problems this week,lol. --75.11.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 8:06 AM
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Jasper,you are allowing your tenants to run you around for no reason,i get that call i call my furnace guy,if the emergency switch is turned off i charge the tenant,it is not my job to run around to make sure they didnt screw something up,if the tenant will try a couple things i will have them check a couple things but some wont even try to let me troubleshoot it over the phone --74.77.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 8:18 AM
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I posted about this a few months back.

Rheem has had defective gas valves. I've changed 3 already. I've even changed them twice on a water heater less than 2 years old. Rheem will overnight a new gas valve but you have to be careful because the pilot line can also get stuck inside and break as well. I've stopped buying Rheem water heaters and have switched to Bradford White. --131.239.xx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 8:19 AM
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I feel the takeaway from this is to make sure that any gas water heater is hard-wired to make it a bit more idiot proof. --50.202.xxx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 8:32 AM
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My understanding on water heaters today is 3 companies manufacture all of them. So swearing allegiance to one brand over another is almost like picking a political party in the USA.... lack of better options.

I pretty much just swap out water heaters now, unless the fix is amazingly simple like a pressure relief valve leaking. Warranty only goes 3-6 years on most models, and even the extended warranty (if you're crazy enough to pay for one) leaves you with the same result: gotta call someone to send someone...then 4 days later you get a patch-work fix.

They're disposable commodities, mostly. If they last 6 years, call it good. I've got some going on 20+ years with me never draining the tank once. Others die after 5 years. It is what it is. Keep a stock handy for the maintenance man to pick up at my house and swap it out. Tenant has hot water again in less than 24 hours. Done.

--184.4.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 11:59 AM
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For the record, I DID troubleshoot with the tenant. Checked the breakers, checked the plug, checked the switch. She TOLD me the blower motor was running. In hindsight, I'm not sure she knows the difference between the furnace and the water heater. And yes, we're going to make it much harder to unplug the water heater in the future! Question, though: would you bill her the $50 maintenance man charge to find the loose plug? --172.58.xxx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 12:36 PM
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if she told you it was caused by her people-- darn right. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 12:42 PM
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I would charge her the $50 charge,that is the only way she will be more careful next time

--74.77.xx.xx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 12:43 PM
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I have had lousy experience with rheem-ruud-weather king products, and the gas valves have failed me many times, I recover them when I can from tree-bay because the welds are the most common water leaks so the controls if they lasted 5 years will likely go twice that far in another water body.

Would the tenant be charged for unplugging the unit, absolutely the entire amount in the next rent cycle. --76.190.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 2:20 PM
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How it works is companies buy parts from different manufactures where when a part becomes problematic they buy from another manufacturer. Have bought Bradford water heaters which are more expensive then the big box store types where had good experience will all types bought. A plumber can not afford call backs by selling products that fail. With the cost of energy along with carbon tax would only buy a demand water heater. In the house installed a Takagi demand water heater where never changed any parts only cleaning. While not the highest efficiency model still more efficient then the direct fired hot water tank which has open flue where heat constantly goes up chimney when no hot water is required. To save 10 per cent it is not worthwhile to upgrade as 81 per cent is way above any direct fired hot water tank except the high efficiency models. --68.69.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Renne [TX]) Posted on: May 17, 2022 2:51 PM
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I would not charge her $50.00, I would charge $125.00 and according to our lease, she would be racking up daily charges until she provided acceptable proof the unauthorized people were out or the adult had been screened. --12.196.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: May 18, 2022 2:30 PM
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We use Rheem "Marathon" water heaters - electric only. Plastic tanks, never leak. Twice the cost at the outset, but lasts and lasts.

This tank's technology has been around for 30+ years. Our first encounter with it was as an Enduro water heater by Sears.(The tank NEVER leaked - they had to swap it out once due to a leaky inlet fitting that was irreplaceable). Sears Kenmore Survivor was the next labeling, and we have one in our home that has been going strong for 24 years (only replaced one element so far).

It is now manufactured as the Rheem Marathon. Same technology (we had to do a lot of digging, but finally found documentation to support that). We got tired of water heaters quitting at rentals, and are now replacing with Marathons when the time comes. --108.2.xx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Peter [OR]) Posted on: May 18, 2022 3:56 PM
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The PH of the water makes a difference on how long a metal tank lasts.My water heaters last longest on city water. --35.132.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: May 25, 2022 12:29 PM
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I agree with Brad. We also only use Bradford White. Our price for Bradford Whites at R.E. Michel even slightly beats the prices of the equivalent water heaters at Lowe's & Home Depot. --71.246.xxx.xxx




Don't buy Rheem! (by John [NJ]) Posted on: May 25, 2022 6:35 PM
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Most likely the part that failed ( controller) is used by several water heater manufacturers, not just Rheem. Anyway, I fix my own things as it is a p.i.t.a. of all the hoops one must jump through to fix a simple thing.

John

New Jersey --174.206.xxx.xx





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