Everyone Hates Stairs (by MAP [NY]) May 3, 2022 9:14 AM|
Everyone Hates Stairs (by RB [TN]) May 3, 2022 9:24 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by WMH [NC]) May 3, 2022 9:40 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Robert J [CA]) May 3, 2022 11:34 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 3, 2022 1:53 PM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Small potatoes [NY]) May 3, 2022 4:43 PM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Ken [NY]) May 3, 2022 6:08 PM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Hoosier [IN]) May 3, 2022 6:24 PM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by plenty [MO]) May 3, 2022 7:04 PM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by MAP [NY]) May 4, 2022 5:44 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by zero [IN]) May 4, 2022 7:12 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 4, 2022 9:39 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by DJ [VA]) May 4, 2022 9:49 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by DJ [VA]) May 4, 2022 9:54 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by zero [IN]) May 5, 2022 10:34 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Lucy [IN]) May 5, 2022 11:30 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Busy [WI]) May 5, 2022 11:49 AM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Wilma [PA]) May 5, 2022 3:28 PM
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Hollis [MA]) May 7, 2022 9:56 AM
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Everyone Hates Stairs (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 9:14 AM
I've noticed a trend...even among young "able bodied" people. Most reject the idea of stairs to an apartment! My first apartment at age 18 had stairs to the 2nd story of the duplex! So did my 2nd apt! What the heck? Everyone wants to apply for the DOWNstairs unit but not even the youthful and seemingly spry applicants want the upstairs! Then again, I've noticed a lot more young people who are obese/out of shape than in my day.
Everyone Hates Stairs (by RB [TN]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 9:24 AM
Same ones park at a gas pump (close to the door)
and without getting gas,
go in for a pop and smokes. --24.183.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 9:40 AM
Stairs are a fact of life around here - most of the houses are elevated due to flooding.
We live on the second floor of our home and I'll tell you a trip to Costco is no fun as a result!
But I wouldn't like to live UNDER someone either. --50.82.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 11:34 AM
In several cases I've added an elevator to an upstairs unit. Not a real elevator but one of my contractor lifts run by a 12 volt battery (hooked up to a constant charger). The tenant had an medical emergency and no longer could get the stairs by themselves. Even with help, using steps would take them 20 minutes to half an hour.
But you'd never guess what happened. No good deed goes unpunished. I had a written user agreement. NO ONE, except for my tenant or elderly guests could use the "contractor lift", and a couple times a day..
So I caught my tenant allowing their young grandchildren to use it during a visit, non stop. I disconnected it and rolled it into my storage garage on the property. Now my tenant was "stuck" in her apartment unless she had help.
A child could have fallen out of the lift basket and that's a liability I didn't need. --47.155.xx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 1:53 PM
Life as a Landlord is too short to focus on upstairs and down stairs duplexes. Do I totally rule them out - nope, but the deal really absolutely has to be a deal - if I purchase an upstairs/downstairs. Instead I like my side by sides.
It is tougher to manage the apartments when they are stacked on one another. --24.101.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 4:43 PM
that might help explain why my Sm 1br hasn't rented. I'll take the pic out of the staircase and see if that helps --172.58.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 6:08 PM
Ray,almost every 2 family in my area is over under,i hardly ever see a side by side,like less than 1% i think are side by side --74.77.xx.xx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 6:24 PM
When I was young, I felt safer in an upstairs unit...no easy break-ins via the windows. Now my knees won't handle many stairs. --99.92.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 3, 2022 7:04 PM
Hate is a pretty strong word. Perhaps they prefer no steps. And everyone is also very strong, must be a tough market for picky renters! --172.56.xx.xx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: May 4, 2022 5:44 AM
MO, it was a play on words "everyone loves raymond" --72.231.xxx.xx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 4, 2022 7:12 AM
I am lucky that all my dupes are side by side. The ones with a staircase are still side by side, just use stairs to get to the bedrooms.
I have had more than a few prospects that bowed out because of the stairs tho. One tenant in good standing is patiently waiting for a single story to come open. Her BF is a carpet layer, bad knees and getting on in years. --107.147.xx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 4, 2022 9:39 AM
Nothing to do with duplexes, but I don't buy two story houses for rentals. Inevitably, tenants ding the paint in the stairwell when they move furniture in and out and the stairwell is the hardest most expensive place to paint. --76.178.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: May 4, 2022 9:49 AM
When my son & his wife (both young & healthy) rented their first apartment, they CHOSE the third floor because it cost less, the heat would rise from below & save them money (Winter in Minot ND), they wouldn't have noise above, and exercise is good for you!
Just a different way of thinking.
BTW: After leaving there, they bought a house & have already cashed in on the appreciation in this market (& some improvements they did) and now own their "forever" home in the country.
I'm so proud! : ) --68.229.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: May 4, 2022 9:54 AM
As a landlord, I prefer ranch style (single family) houses.
I've had enough of changing lightbulbs over a stairway, lugging tools and paint buckets up & down, etc. Costs more to roof or put siding on a 2-story, or replace a window on the second floor, etc, also. --68.229.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 5, 2022 10:34 AM
I can agree with you on the concerns but the price per foot seems cheaper when you go up rather than spread out.
My 2/1 duplexes that are 2 story let me fit more in the smaller footprint. I have a brick single story duplex in another town. Takes up twice the space, has basically the same yard and same SF as the two story unit. I have two dupes in the same sized lot as the the single.
Now this only works if the tenants can get along. --107.147.xx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Lucy [IN]) Posted on: May 5, 2022 11:30 AM
I just had tenants ASK to move to the upstairs. (neither overweight) They had little kids above them and hearing that bothered their own 2 little ones. I allowed..a little worried for the new tenant that will now be below 2 little and 2 big ones. But oh well, the lower will be easier to rent. --64.184.xx.xx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 5, 2022 11:49 AM
How many of us read Minot, and have to say in our heads, " Why not Minot?"
Just curious DJ, did either of your kids follow in your bootsteps? My oldest did 8 years Army, now works as contractor doing same job. And, you should be proud! Of both of your kiddos.
I am in complete agreement about having one story houses. Way too scared of heights! And, since there are plenty of little one story houses in my area.... One of the reasons I chose not to do duplexes; they are almost entirely over/ under in my area, so too tall for gutter cleaning. I do get houses with basements tho.... someplace to go when there are tornadoes, or, just cool off in the summer heat. And I prefer the easy access to the undersides of main floor.
Small potatoes, I think thats a good idea, to remove stair pics. Let them see just good things online, and if they mention stairs during showing, well those are heart healthy! ( credit goes to the wonderful speaker at convention for that term.) --70.92.xxx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: May 5, 2022 3:28 PM
Ha! My first apartment was over a garage, so up outside steps to a deck by the entry door. Then my bedroom was in the loft.
Next apartment - former servant's quarters in a Georgian revival 1890ish house - five steps to the entry into the kitchen, then a full staircase with a turn to the second floor bedroom/bath/living room.
I still shake my head over the two middle-aged sisters who applied for a sfh. They passed the pre-screening, and came to see the place, having seen both the inside and outside pics, along with the floor plan.
They both were quite large, and had trouble climbing the stairs to the second floor bedrooms. Why they bothered to apply, I'll never know. --108.2.xx.xxx
Everyone Hates Stairs (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: May 7, 2022 9:56 AM
As a side note that might apply to all of us now, or sooner or later. I deal with a lot of elderly people that come to the office (not real estate), I see them about every two weeks and I don't know how many times I've heard this story.
"Hey! Great news! I'm moving to a new place, and there is NO STAIRS!"
I tell my colleagues, well ,.. in not too many months, we won't see John or Jane anymore. Why? It seems just those few stairs keeps their legs a bit stronger. Even just going up and down once or twice a day seems to keep them just strong enough where they keep their mobility much longer.
It doesn't take many months for those muscles to go down and they just don't want to use them the same anymore.
We also see some much younger people. Maybe high school kids that get injured and can't be very mobile for a couple of months. Some belong to a number of athletic teams in high school and have pretty muscular and well fit legs.
But in just in those couple of months it's amazing how fast their muscles go down. Some of these kids tell me after they're healed and now can go upstairs that to get winded from a single flight of stairs!
I hear that in older people too, that don't use their legs as much as they used to. Generally they blame it on age." Boy when I was XXX amount younger, I could run up the stairs like they were nothing."
But you never hear a 17-year-old say, "Boy! when I was 14..... They don't blame it on their age, and they slowly go back to their sports and are active again. --66.30.xx.xxx
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