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introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 14, 2022 9:28 AM
       introverts (by Ken [NY]) Apr 14, 2022 9:46 AM
       introverts (by Richard [MI]) Apr 14, 2022 9:55 AM
       introverts (by RB [TN]) Apr 14, 2022 9:59 AM
       introverts (by Richard [MI]) Apr 14, 2022 10:12 AM
       introverts (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 14, 2022 10:23 AM
       introverts (by plenty [MO]) Apr 14, 2022 10:34 AM
       introverts (by Busy [WI]) Apr 14, 2022 10:43 AM
       introverts (by Busy [WI]) Apr 14, 2022 10:47 AM
       introverts (by Jason [VA]) Apr 14, 2022 11:09 AM
       introverts (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Apr 14, 2022 11:29 AM
       introverts (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 14, 2022 12:00 PM
       introverts (by Allym [NJ]) Apr 14, 2022 6:34 PM
       introverts (by Busy [WI]) Apr 14, 2022 8:15 PM
       introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 14, 2022 9:08 PM
       introverts (by Ken [NY]) Apr 14, 2022 11:29 PM
       introverts (by MikeA [TX]) Apr 14, 2022 11:57 PM
       introverts (by Dodge [PA]) Apr 15, 2022 5:33 AM
       introverts (by S i d [MO]) Apr 15, 2022 6:12 AM
       introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 15, 2022 9:13 AM
       introverts (by Busy [WI]) Apr 15, 2022 11:17 AM
       introverts (by Robin [WI]) Apr 15, 2022 1:02 PM
       introverts (by Busy [WI]) Apr 15, 2022 1:17 PM
       introverts (by Nicole [PA]) Apr 15, 2022 3:25 PM
       introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 15, 2022 5:18 PM
       introverts (by WMH [NC]) Apr 15, 2022 5:20 PM
       introverts (by zero [IN]) Apr 15, 2022 5:54 PM
       introverts (by Wilma [PA]) Apr 17, 2022 2:05 PM
       introverts (by Ed [CA]) Apr 22, 2022 1:12 PM
       introverts (by Sandy [CO]) Apr 23, 2022 10:31 PM

introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 9:28 AM

I am so frustrated with a neighbor situation at my rental property. They have a basket ball goal that is not set up correctly and is falling apart so the goal post is leaning way out into the alley. This ally goes behind and curves around and then goes beside my rental. The garbage, city and other trucks run through there and have to get over and end up rutting my yard. I have already put a cheep small fence up and some big blocks of marble at the edge of the yard to keep the vehicles out of the yard but they are still running in the yard and just pushing my marble blocks into the yard and making a muddy mess.

I just cleaned this up yesterday morning and it is messed up again this morning. I talked to the neighbor and asked AGAIN to move the goal back so it does not stick out in the alley and he refuses. I have now called the police and the officer said that he is going to ask him to move it back as it is impeding traffic. I am not asking for the neighbor to get rid of the post and I don't mind the kids playing on it, just move it back out of the alley.

I should have just sold this rental house while it was vacant. I am so tired lately of dealing with people. Well, not just lately. Be honest 6x6! I am so frustrated with life right now.

So I started Googling, what is a way to make money with little interaction with people. I came across this "Introverts, Here Are 40 Jobs That Donít Involve Too Much Social Interaction" . I am sorry for my struggles right now. I am searching different avenues to figure this out.

I am wondering what are good investments for deep, deep introverts?

Thank you for your time.

introverts (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 9:46 AM

Buy and sell houses,i list with a broker in part so i dont have to deal with a bunch of buyers with stupid questions,primarily i deal with motivated sellers.I am training a young guy who wants to manage property so he deals with my tenants for the most part. Broker privately held mortgages,again you deal with someone motivated to sell and you contact a buyer of mortgages and make the arrangements and keep the spread between what the buyer pays and the seller accepts. --74.77.xx.xx

introverts (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 9:55 AM


Good question.

Here's a couple. There are many more. Lots depends on your skills, time,available money and more.

1. Gardening for profit. There's a ton of stuff on you tube. What I'm working on is to take my rentals and put a fence around the place giving the tenant the front yard, about 6-10 feet on the sides and maybe 20 feet in the back. I keep the rest of the yard for my use. (Just put it in the lease). Then use either raised beds or container gardening or just the ground to raise food. Look around at your local farmers market and see what sells well and then HIRE someone (a kid maybe) on contract for a percentage to sit at the farmers market and sell the stuff. I figure about 50 percent of the total for production and sale. Flowers work pretty good, spices, and microgreens. You also get the benefit of food for your family and can get your kids, if any, to maybe help.One family I know made an easy 3K in a season on a patch only 20x40 feet. It's also easy to pick up vacant land at tax sales and do this too.

2. If you have a garage or shop, you can make wood or other products and then place them for sale at art/craft stores. The store sells them and takes a comission. You have minimal contact with customers. Or offer them online (ebay, etc). Again, minimal contact with people. It likely takes a few hundred dollars to get started for tools and wood but that can be worked out. Custom pieces, if you're good at it, can bring good money. Otherwise it's volume. --24.180.xx.xx

introverts (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 9:59 AM

Great Magicians make "things" disappear,

without opening their mouths.

introverts (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 10:12 AM

I'll also agree with Ken-NY that flipping houses is a good way. Here's a tip I learned - if you don't have a lot of money, take control by using an option with as small as possible cash option money. Put in the agreement that you have the right, at your expense and risk to clean up the place. Then mow the lawn, trim the trees if any, paint the FRONT only of the house (not the sides or back), clean out the garage (if any) completely and put it up for sale with a real estate agent for a higher price. The cleanup should only take a weekend and maybe $500-$1K. Use kids to do the work. This should increase the value by at least 10K. Just assign the option for the profit.

Another, if you have the time, tools, area and skill is to make sheds to sell. Make them as a panelized kit. Floor, walls, trusses. Put the panels on a trailer, deliver and you're done. Then when they sell, if you want to deliver and assemble, do that for extra money. --24.180.xx.xx

introverts (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 10:23 AM

We do things the old fashion away here

Meth. That way you don't have to speak with your clients too long

introverts (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 10:34 AM

Carry on. The basketball hoop's days are numbered.

introverts (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 10:43 AM

1. You aren't as much of an introvert as you think. Introverts wouldn't post on a public forum so much, they are more likely to be lurkers, imo.

2. Uncomfortable interactions take practice. Rehearse conversations in your head, if needed. Practice the 'sandwich method of telling bad news. (tell them something good, the difficult part, then something good.)

3. Training other's behaviors takes repetition. And sometimes it takes police enforcement, as you went to rather quickly. ( Whoops, I really don't know that you went to rather quickly; here, I am just making snap decisions based on you having to talk to them again and repair again. Some changes take more than that. Much more.)

4. Call city to complain about garbage trucks going through your yard. Send photos, including the truck numbers ( Hmmmm..... consider this one very carefully. Now, that garbage collector will be on your case. Any time anything isn't right with your garbage cans, YOU'll get tagged. In my municipality, the fines go to the property, doesn't matter who lives there. Calling on the garbage collectors wouldn't be something I'd do....)

5. Repairing the surface to a somewhat drivable surface only invites more driving on that surface. Posts, rather than pavers. But, uh-oh, be sure of the lot lines, easements, and setbacks, or you could be fined for impeding traffic.

6. Bushes, shrubs, tall ornamental grasses can screen the view of an unsightly mess. AND, the bushes/ shrubs can grow wider, as well as tall. Wider as in gradually pushing vehicle traffic back out towards the allyway. When you first plant bushes/ shrubbery, you'll need to protect it from damage from critters, so use your post driver to pound several metal fence posts around the plants, hand some fencing on the posts. I scrounge most of my metal fenceposts and fencing bits from other peoples trash ( really! We through away so much stuff that's still useful in this country. Some people WILL put fencing out with free signs too, so they are keeping things out of landfills.)

7. Also, as part of a landscape solution to push traffic back out of your yard, bright flowers in large containers in between the shrubs, or at the ends. That way, its not just a grudge fence, its adding beauty. Again, scrounge containers, scrounge potting soil. ( yesterday, as dropping off sticks and ornamental grass trimmings, I contemplated scavenging a couple of old chrysanthemums with gigantic root balls of potting soil? Break off the old plant, sneak out the potting soil. Yep, I have done that before! In fall, I pull over and 'rescue' containers full of potting soil put out by trash for garbage collection. ) For plants, in my area, marigolds grown from seed, and saving seeds each year is cheap, cheap, cheap. But, they won't flower till well into summer. So, a few brightly colored pansies, which are for sale everywhere this time of year, in my area.

8. All things that are profitable involve people. There is no getting around that. Hone your skills, and you have many. You are a wonderful person, and I personally think you are well-suited to landlording. Though doing a flip or two might be worth your while. But, again, thats still involving people.

9. In regards to selling things ( ETSY comes to mind, a seller of things lives and dies by reviews. If you want to find out how much people s _ck, just get in a small business where a few bad online reviews that might be just generated by COMPETITORS can hamper your business.

10. Try to 'help' the neighbor with the hoop to come up with a better solution. I see basketball hoops being put at end of driveways with signs saying 'free', and they are portable. ( as is the annoying neighbor's.) My creative mind can think up a few ways to encourage those youngsters to move the hoops back after playing. But, they mostly won't.

11. Wonder what the neighbor's landlord says about the hoop being left in the street?

12. Fence post pounding is cathartic. Loud, uses lots of muscle, and you imagine pounding troubles into bits.

You got this, 6x6. Really, you do.

introverts (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 10:47 AM

6. HANG fencing on the posts.

introverts (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 11:09 AM

If I remember right, you drive an old Dodge like me. It's a beast and sometimes can be easy to accidentally back into things. Oops. It's easier to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

introverts (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 11:29 AM

Take a few pictures over a short time span showing where the basketball goal is in the alley.

Then get a trailer, put HIGH flimsy sidewalls on it and drive down the alley. Make sure you are in the roadway and not on private property.

Let the goal post damage the sidewalls of your trailer. Let trailer sit in the alley and call the police about the damage to your trailer. "SUE" the land owner for impeding traffic flow and damage to your trailer. Carry on.

Then go home and kick yourself for doing such things.

introverts (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 12:00 PM

I allowed a private school to be built behind an apartment complex I've owned for over 30 years. The school right behind my rear of the property was going to be the faculty parking lot. Within a year it was turned into a play area, Basketball. The balls bang against my rear garages and the balls fly over onto the my garages. So they nailed a net into my shingles without permission. What ever action I took no one cared, the school comes first.

So I took the netting down and patched the shingles with tar and matching roofing colored rocks.

To get even, now when the balls come over to my side, I don't return them. After the school lost 10 basket balls and had to buy new ones, they moved the baskets so balls won't get lost.

I donated the basket balls to Good Will down the street.

introverts (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 6:34 PM

I would buy a better one, put it where I wanted it. Fasten in down so no one can move it, and take the other one apart and lose a piece of it. Can you put it on the edge of your property and let the truck damage the other guy's property? --108.24.xx.xx

introverts (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 8:15 PM

6X6, did we lose ya? You know you are important to us, right bud? We love ya, man!

introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 9:08 PM

Thank you Busy and everyone for the replies. Sometimes I just get tired of dealing with people more then other times. I am mainly searching for what I can be passionate about and enjoy. I think flipping would be a better fit for me then property management. Maybe if I had a better property it would be easier as far as dealing with the people but I mainly do not like the paperwork. I struggle with paperwork and book learning. I do better using my hands and learning with them. Whatever it is that I end up with, I should enjoy doing it so that I do well with it. I should enjoy doing it so that I am not miserable every day.

introverts (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 11:29 PM

6x6 if you want help learning to flip just start a new thread,i love every aspect of flipping houses,there is paperwork involved butnot much,my attorney and my broker deal with most of it --74.77.xx.xx

introverts (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2022 11:57 PM

Just move the basketball goal over to your mud patch. The kids can still play, the mud gets covered, and the traffic pattern changes to the other side. Win-win.

I've never heard of someone with a job that didn't have some aspect of that job that they didn't like. I find that setting a goal and then reward helps. For example, if I spend 1 1/2 focused hours completing paperwork in the office (which I don't like) then I can go to the shop and build the cabinet for the remodel (which I like). For some reason that helps my brain remain positive and focused on things I don't really like because it knows there is a short pain period before a longer pleasure period.

So is the source of your angst people or conflict? After reading your interactions here, I would bet it's more about dealing with conflict than people. If that's the case, spend some time searching and reading about conflict management, the more you know the easier it will be to deal with.

introverts (by Dodge [PA]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 5:33 AM

I've got nothing to add to these great ideas.

Just wanted to say that you all are a wonderful group of people! --174.216.xx.xx

introverts (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 6:12 AM

Triple net commercial lease (NNN) a property for 5 years. Nothing but a check in the mail for 60 months.

I'm with you 6x6... Some days I just don't "people" very well.

introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 9:13 AM

Thank you everyone again for the words of wisdom. I agree with Dodge.

introverts (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 11:17 AM

Another thing I found, once I got to three houses, I didn't notice these types of annoyances as much. They just became a part of life in my rental area. When I had just one, or even two, I still had time to worry myself over things that now I can easily ignore.

Over time, solutions come around. As Plenty very well said. 'Carry on. Basketball hoops days are numbered.'

( but, a side note- ya'd rather have kids out playing bball than jackin' cars. Vehicle theft is RAMPANT in my city, and its twelve and thirteen year olds. )

introverts (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 1:02 PM

I think you're just tired of dealing with DIFFICULT people, not people in general. So, first of all, don't ever run a rooming house! You can still rent properties, but you might want to cater toward class B or A, which tend to have better social skills.

Something that helps me in dealing with difficult tenants is to look at it as a game of strategy. Here's how one of my "games" went:

The neighbor kept putting her trash can in front of our house and filling up hers and ours. Not enough room for my guests in our trash can. The game: I win if I can get enough space in the trash cans for our guests.

Round 1: I order a second trash can for our property, avoiding confrontation. (+1 for me)

Round 2: She puts her trash in all three cans. (-1)

Round 3: I knock on her door and ask her to put her trash can on her own property. She is extremely rude but agrees. (+1)

Round 4: I come by to see TWO trashcans in front of her house, and one in front of ours. I drag our second one back to our property, and she comes out and drags it back to her property, insisting against all the facts that both are hers. (-1)

Round 5: I come to do a room trash-out. Two cans are still in front of her house. Guess where I put the trash? (+2)

The game is not over yet, and I have some inventive ideas up my sleeve still. It gets a lot more fun when you turn it into a battle of wits!

introverts (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 1:17 PM

Robin, I just taped up garbage and recycling schedules on the inside lids of my cans. I also write property adress inside lid and on front of the bins.

Rental Neighbors noticed mine were missing, went looking around neighborhood and a couple streets over, spotted someone doing a trash-out, with multiple cans . Noticed my house numbers, called police. The folks that swiped them got a fine. My rental neighbors were all excited to tell me the tale! Lol!

Your tally of points DOES make it fun! That is brilliant!

introverts (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 3:25 PM

I have a rural property with electric transmission lines running through it. They gave the electric company maintenance department a key for the gate. Years ago the generation above me would fuss and cuss among themselves every time they came in to repair lines as it was usually after a storm, the ground was wet and ruts and mess ensued. I took over. Changed the lock on the gate so they had to give me notice when they were going on the property. At first they didn't. I called to complain and the lady had me send them a bill for the new locks they cut off. We came to our meeting of the minds they MUST call and someone would unlock the gate within 20 minutes. Being so rural, they were never going to get there in 20 minutes from anywhere. Next time lines were down, no notice, they cut the lock, rutted the property and away they went. I called again. This time I was not nearly as nice to her. I sent a bill for new lock, plus an upcharge for my time and effort of ordering the lock, picking it up, and getting it back out there. I think I also threw in a new chain that time. Then, my son who was a self-employed commercial landscaper at the time, provided me an invoice to repair, regrade, reseed, etc. He actually always did this for free for the old people. I received a nice check. My son received a nice pay check. Happened again. Repeat. The past fiveish years, they've called each and every time and we've been there prior to their arrival.

So ... 6 x 6 .... call NICELY and explain to the office that the trash truck is driving onto your property and causing destruction and you wonder how it can be resolved.

If nothing else, pay out of your pocket for 2 x 4 concrete blocks to the property edge and they won't drive onto it again.

And I am with you and several above, especially as I get older. People just seem to the dumbest things without any thought of the consequences ... not talking about major worldly issues but every day things.

introverts (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 5:18 PM

Thanks Robin for the laugh.

Lots of good thoughts.

I do like this group of people.

introverts (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 5:20 PM

Had a school bus driver that did the local kids a favor - drove them down our dead end road to drop them off so they didn't have to walk .4 miles (.4, not 4.) Nice of her but the only way for her to turn around was to use our property - which dug the CRAP out of it as you can imagine! Cracked concrete, mud, etc.

The tipping point was when she got out of the bus, entered our property, knocked on one of our studio's doors and WOKE the tenant - asking her to move her car because it was in the way of the bus!!!!

Called the school system. They realized she was driving on private property and that ended that. Local kids probably hated us but she never drove down the road again. :)

At another of our rentals, the neighborhood organizes local clean-up days to get crap removed from the roadside: it's dangerous for fire trucks and emergency vehicles to have to do dodge private property and private tree limbs, etc.

You've got to reach the right person. THEY will respond, and nicely too.

introverts (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2022 5:54 PM

About the trash cans:

One property I bought had burn cans. I hate that when you have trash pick up that you pay for anyway. I hauled off the two metal cans full of years of ash and who knows what to replace them with plastic 55 gallon drums that I cut the tops out and drilled holes in the bottom.

This was a duplex. One tenant would use the other's can to fill with bags for trash collection. This was before they got the 90 gallon totes. So I spray paint the house numbers on them. Problem solved.

Except a few months later I see trash in the alley and no can. Neighbor two houses down took one and filled it to the top with plaster from the rehab he was doing on his old house.

I confronted, he denied. I showed him the picture of My house number spray painted on the can. Told him he had until the next pick up to replace my can or return it. He returned it. Dumped all that plaster and dust in his yard. Probably still there ten years later.

Man that was a book. Next version is abridged.

Six apartments, all have totes that I rented before the city started providing them. I put house numbers on each one. Nice decals this time.

One comes up missing. Find it down the street. Hilarity ensues when the guy swears it is his tote. I got it back as well. Should have back charged what I paid in rent, but I didn't.

Sometimes people really do suck.

introverts (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Apr 17, 2022 2:05 PM

Ugh, we have a similar problem with a SFH on a corner. When the neighborhood was built, the garbage trucks were much smaller. We've put progressively larger boulders on the corner, and they still push them off at least once a year. We just save the fix for spring when the ground is nice and soft, then wait for the following spring to rinse and repeat.

We find that it is of no use to call the trash company, as their drivers' turnover rate is so high that once you get one guy trained to keep off the corner, he quits/is fired.

I agree that it sounds like you might be happier with flipping houses, if you can do most of the work yourself (don't get me started on dealing with contractors!). Good luck!

introverts (by Ed [CA]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2022 1:12 PM

Buy a cheap basket ball court on craigslist and put it on your side. Let the city sort it out. --108.201.xx.xx

introverts (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2022 10:31 PM

Maybe start a YouTube channel showing people how to build things that you like to build. Heck there are successful tubers that record themselves playing video games, or eating food, or scratching lottery scratch tickets.

Or either Etsy, or eBay get into selling items. I know a family where the dad gave the old car to the kids to part out over the summer and they photographed and listed the parts on eBay as their summer project.

Anyway just a thought. I wish you all the best on your search.

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