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Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 6:52 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 11, 2022 7:32 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Jason [VA]) Mar 11, 2022 7:37 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Dodge [PA]) Mar 11, 2022 7:45 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by plenty [MO]) Mar 11, 2022 7:51 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by plenty [MA]) Mar 11, 2022 8:03 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 8:13 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 8:39 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by PG [SC]) Mar 11, 2022 8:45 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by S i d [MO]) Mar 11, 2022 8:51 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Tony [NJ]) Mar 11, 2022 8:51 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 9:02 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by S i d [MO]) Mar 11, 2022 9:08 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 9:42 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 11, 2022 9:51 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Robert J [CA]) Mar 11, 2022 9:58 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Small potatoes [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 10:07 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 10:19 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 11, 2022 10:54 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 11:13 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 11, 2022 11:26 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 11:54 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 11:59 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Vee [OH]) Mar 11, 2022 12:09 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Hollis [MA]) Mar 11, 2022 1:08 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Dave [MO]) Mar 11, 2022 1:13 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 1:56 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Dave [MO]) Mar 11, 2022 2:48 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 3:13 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by steve [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 3:19 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 4:17 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 4:31 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 11, 2022 7:36 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 11, 2022 9:34 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Mar 11, 2022 9:53 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 11, 2022 11:47 PM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 12, 2022 6:39 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 12, 2022 7:07 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Dave [MO]) Mar 12, 2022 7:40 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Mar 12, 2022 8:12 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Mar 12, 2022 8:14 AM
       Ancient Fuse Box (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Mar 12, 2022 1:06 PM


Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 6:52 AM
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In approx. 1 week I will be closing on the 4/1 house that is across the street from my humble 2/1 bungalow house. The 4/1 house was originally built around 1973 which is good because it was wired using the 3-wire grounded Romex cable. However, this house still has the original fuse box with 6 screw-in round glass fuses in it. However, all of the 240 circuits are on breakers which are outside inside a metal box near the service entrance.

According to the current homeowner (seller), the electrical system in this house works just fine,..even with the ancient 100 amp screw-in fuse box circuits.

My question is: would you make any changes to the electrical systems of this house,...especially if you are planning on adding some additional circuits? For example, house needs GFCI outlets installed in the kitchen and bath. The master bedroom could use some more wall outlets added to it.

--71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 7:32 AM
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My insurance company doesn't insure fuses, but if yours does -that style fuse if hard to cheat by a tenant.

It is absolutely time to do that upgrade. My question to you though is what are your intentions with the place?

If this is a buy and hold, I put a ton of money into it them upfront to limit issues on the back end. But if this is a flip, it is time to break out the lipstick --24.101.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 7:37 AM
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Without seeing it in person, my first inclination would be to pull out the fuse box and replace it with a junction box, rerouting all of its circuits to the breaker box outside. Also, if that box doesnít have weep holes in the bottom, it will accumulate moisture. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Dodge [PA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 7:45 AM
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I have a 3 unit with a mix of original fuses and some breakers similar to what you describe. No issues.

Personally, I like the simple nature of fuses. Circuit breakers can fail. --174.247.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 7:51 AM
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Test --172.58.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by plenty [MA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 8:03 AM
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We have started replacing electrical panels, service, upping amps, gfi and mask as soon as we close. Also plumbing under dinks and such... As soon as we close and before any move in.

Happy house happy life.

Currently we closed on a house on Monday electric service cost $4400 to update all. Included is lines run for electric stove and dryer . It only cost more later down the road. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 8:13 AM
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My first intention with this house to make a rental house out of it. However, like the house I rehabbed 2 years ago, I went way over budget and the only way to recoup my out of control rehab spending was to sell the house.

My master electrician has done his inspection of this house and he is recommending a 200 amp breaker box with 40 slots which will bring all existing circuits (120/240 volts) into one modern box and will have ample room to add more circuits when needed. He has not quoted a price for this but I know from past experience that this service does not come cheap. This is where my $5K buffer will come in handy. --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 8:39 AM
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Roy,what dd you pay? and how did the negotiation process go? I would replace it if i were flipping it,no inspection would consider it acceptable although it may be just fine.Buy and hold i would only replace it if i couldnt find insurance policy.I would only put in 100 amp box,not sure why you are willing to pay extra to put in a 200 amp box,that is unnecessary unless someone intends to do welding there --72.231.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 8:45 AM
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I have done a lot of electrical work over the years residential and light commercial.

Do what your Master Electrician suggests. That is the best solution. It will be money well spent.

I have put in several of the 200 Amp Main - 40 Circuit panels My preferred Brand is SQ-D --184.20.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 8:51 AM
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Like Ken, I'm curious to hear what you got it for. This is the house that the owner supposedly had about $28,500 owed on it thru a 1st and 2nd, if I recall correctly, and he wanted $35K....

Electric work like that will need a full permit and upgrade to current code. In my area, that kind of work starts at $3500 for a small 2/1 house...probably more like $4000-$5000 for what you're talking.

My rule is I have to make my investment back in no less than 3 years. Can you charge enough added rent to pay back the cost? If yes, do it. If not, and it works fine, then don't.

P.S. These days I am avoiding all residential, but toward the end of my residential buying in 2019 I was avoiding fuse box houses. Although they are theoretically even safer than breakers, the risk there is not enough juice to meet modern demands for devices, stoves, microwaves, higher amp ranges, etc and tenants doing unsafe things. I would only buy them if the prices was stupid cheap enough to do the upgrade since insurance on them costs about double, if anyone will insure it at all!

--108.230.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 8:51 AM
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I'm about to do this on a 4 unit. 12,000+. --73.215.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:02 AM
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Sid,I dont see any increase in rent,no tenant would even notice a difference from today with fuses and next week with breakers --72.231.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:08 AM
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Ken, yep...that's my subtle point. Tenants don't care about fuses or breakers. They care about "does my stuff work?"

When I priced the upgrade on a house, I found it would save me about $300 per year on insurance. $3,500 / $300 = 11.6 years payback. Too long. Not worth it. If/when it breaks, I'll swap out. Until then, it's not worth it.

Side-note: imagine how fun this is going to be when the greenies demand we stop using natural gas / oil to heat homes! Houses will all need 200 amp breakers...minimum...to run car chargers, electric furnaces, etc! I figure the Gub'mint will offer subsidies / tax incentives to do the upgrades. Wait until then and get all your upgrades done on your fellow taxpayer's dime!

--108.230.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:42 AM
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Ken and Sid and others,

Using the no B.S. final offer approach that Sid suggested, I gave him my bottom line figure ($30K) and said I prefer us to split the closing cost. We both walked away with him saying "I will need to discuss this with my wife". Less than 24 hours later, I get a phone call saying they would accept my final offer. Now, if he had offered any resistance here, I would have suggested we split the difference at $32,500 but that was not necessary.

And if this house had been free and clear, I think I could have bought the house at $25K. This is a classic very

motivated seller here. I can detect a mild 'urgency' in his voice when he talks to me in that he really needs to get this monkey off his back as soon as possible. --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:51 AM
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It depends on price. I would ask the electrician for two quotes. One to put it all in one box and the second to leave the breakers and replace existing fuses with a sub panel. I wouldn't pay much extra for one box. I've had to replace a couple because insurance wouldn't cover fuse boxes. When I asked why, I was told too many people putting pennies in place of blown fuses. I could see my tenants doing that in a pinch, which really means forever because they will forget they did it. If it blew because something is shorted then the penny will most likely result in an electrical fire. --209.205.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:58 AM
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Electrical power from the utility company is never guaranteed 20/7. Meaning your tenants will have a power outage at some point. When that happens or when your tenants over load a circuit, who's going to pay for the fried HDTV, Game Station, Computer or appliance? You! Since your electrical system is not original or even upgraded to current standards. It is stuck in a time loop between the many owners and tenants.

--47.155.xx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 10:07 AM
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MikeA has a good suggestion. is your intent is to subdivide and have separate utilities for the units? then you will need to put in a new panel or 2 anyway.

I got rid of my last fused circuit 2 years ago. one was flagged by adjuster so I did 3 over a couple of years. not to 200 A though. just a straight replacement. I came across a box of assorted fuses yesterday in my supplies. --24.194.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 10:19 AM
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MikeA TX,

One thing I have not mentioned yet is this house is currently 80% electric and 20% natural gas. The kitchen stove uses gas and that stove in being removed right now. This house has an 18 year old Heat Pump on it using a 50 amp breaker for heat strips and another 30 amp breaker for A/C.

I would like to make this house all electric by adding a 40 amp electric stove outlet but there is no room left in the current small breaker box outside. The Heat Pump breakers are 'hogging the box' for available space.

Remember this house was originally built as 2/1 in 1973 and back then the 100 amp fuse panel was more than adequate for a 1973 homeowners electrical needs. In the mid-1980's,..2 additional large rooms were built on this house making it the 4/1 it is today. Those new rooms new additional outlets installed so that a tenant's monster big screen TV's can be plugged in and all other misc. electronic gadgets that can be plugged in without using an excessive number of those cheap power strip bars. Have you ever seen one power strip bar plugged into another power strip bar? This is what some tenants do.

--71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 10:54 AM
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Excellent observation with the change in tone and pitch in a voice. You can smell fear and despair.

You can almost taste victory........

Oh wait - I am watching food channel --24.101.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 11:13 AM
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Ray N PA,

All of my 30 years of experience in 'listening to clues' from house sellers and rental applicants comes from A VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT that nobody here sees any value in doing anymore and that is:,...ANSWER YOUR OWN PHONE,...STUPID!! Becoming a good listener is all it takes to buy houses at wholesale instead of grossly over-priced MLS retail. With most house sellers and rental applicants, if you give them enough rope, they will hang themselves. Giving them enough rope just means 'listening' to what they are saying either on the phone or IN PERSON face to face. --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 11:26 AM
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Amen

Of all the skills I know, the art of negotiation has made me the most money. When I send out a post card campaign - I am expecting a small percentage to call, text, email or leave me a message on my website. All That marketing money is flushed down the toilet if you don't pick up the phone and have them talk.

It is interesting to hear Kens perspective on the fuses. I see the reasoning, but just the same - just because a place is wired for a landline doesn't mean you keep it --24.101.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 11:54 AM
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Roy,I agree,when my cell rings i answer it,all my advertising to buy houses goes to my cell and if i dont answer they dont leave a message and it could be a deal.I want to hear there whole story how they got in trouble,when it comes to tenants they only have my office phone which is a cell and i mostly text them,if a prospective tenant wants to tell me a story they wont be getting the place --72.231.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 11:59 AM
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Roy,I agree,when my cell rings i answer it,all my advertising to buy houses goes to my cell and if i dont answer they dont leave a message and it could be a deal.I want to hear there whole story how they got in trouble,when it comes to tenants they only have my office phone which is a cell and i mostly text them,if a prospective tenant wants to tell me a story they wont be getting the place --72.231.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 12:09 PM
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I suggest the upgrade to electrical, and you mention some extra spaces - that is the best way. It will reward you in the resale value as well as limited guessing if the tenant will put 30 amp fuses on a 15 amp circuit burning thru wiring and walls. --76.190.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 1:08 PM
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OK as an aside to other arguments here concerning glass fuses,..you KNOW that there are inserts that you can screw into those sockets that are almost impossible to remove,.. that then will only allow whatever you chose on that circuit,..IE a 15amp insert that will ONLY allow a 15 (they are called TYPE S) fuse base to go in,..so,.you can't put a 20 amp or higher OR a penny in that socket/circuit..Sold at many hardware stores and certainly at electrical supply stores and of course Amazon,..

To me, they are safer than breaker switches that, as said here before, that can fail,.

A friend who is an electrician told me when they work in upper stories and want to cut the power to that circuit, to work on that circuit , will often purposely put wires together to short them out and trip/blow the fuse,..

And sometimes it doesn't trip or, it doesn't right away,.getting some very hot wires,..

He thought glass fuses were actually safer than breakers,but of course, it may not impress an insurance company that is one minded. --66.30.xx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 1:13 PM
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Wholesale it. Make some quick dough. --174.210.xxx.xx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 1:56 PM
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If glass fuses are safer than breakers, then why are breakers required by modern electrical codes? This safer argument for glass fuses does not make any sense here. My main problem with screw-in fuses is when a tenant puts a penny inside the hole and screws the blown fuse back in. Plus, the fuse panel in this house and the 240 box outside do not have an emergency power shut-off switch/lever. If a fireman needed to cut the power to this house in a fire emergency, he could do it, but it would not be quick though. --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 2:48 PM
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Roy, you are explaining the reasons why I would do a quick flip.

Most likely aluminum wiring to all switches and receipts.

Upgrading electrical can and will be costly and creates no more value.

Why not turn a quick profit? --173.47.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 3:13 PM
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Dave,

The real money in my business is made from long term rentals and not short term flips. There are other reasons for me to do a full rehab here but those reasons can't be posted here for the entire world and the IRS to read. I hope you will understand. --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by steve [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 3:19 PM
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From Roy,

"If glass fuses are safer than breakers, then why are breakers required by modern electrical codes? This safer argument for glass fuses does not make any sense here. My main problem with screw-in fuses is when a tenant puts a penny inside the hole and screws the blown fuse back in."

Roy did you miss the point about type S inserts and type s fuses?

why do modern codes required? well I can think of several reasons,.union pressure and expanded work?

But really no one can put a penny in a type S retrofit, can you ever take an insert out,..oh yeah but its a miserable task,..I can't imagine a tenant ever doing it. I would consider them permanent.

So you but an insert, rated whatever,.10.15.20 etc amp and a matching fuse,..you just screw the fuse into the insert, then screw the whole thing into where the old fuse socket is,..now you can back off the fuse but the insert stays,..and now you cannot put another fuse rated with a different amperage as the TYPE S bases rated for that amperage will ONLT fit into that new insert.

Personally I like them. --96.236.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 4:17 PM
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Steve,

I tell all of my tenants not to touch or open the breaker box on the outside of the house, even though some still do and then call me when they can't get the metal door to shut properly. And the last thing I would want a tenant to do is mess around with screw in fuses regardless of whether they have inserts or not. Class C & D tenants and anything dealing with an electrical panel is never a good combination and I think most insurance companies realize this too.

--71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 4:31 PM
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Roy,your breaker boxes are outside?never seen that before,in my area they are usually in the basement.I would lock them if they were outside --72.231.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 7:36 PM
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Ken,

In your area, if there was no basements, then where would the breaker box be? Most houses in C & D hoods here do not have basements. In modern A&B houses, you have full garages with breaker boxes inside, but no below grade basements.

I have seen a few houses with below grade basements here but they all had 6 inches of water with broken sump pumps on the floor and that is no place for a breaker box. Safe place is outside near the service entrance. --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:34 PM
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Ken, most older homes around here have the electric panels outside. --73.120.xx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 9:53 PM
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Roy,if there is no basement which is very rare there usually a utility room in the back of the house which is where you would find furnace,water heater,breaker box etc also being used as a mud room for boots,coats etc.When i look at vacant houses out in the country if the electric is off then often the basement is full of water,in the cities and villages i rarely see water in basements even if power is off,i do not know why the difference --72.231.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 11:47 PM
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Roy,

Interesting that a home built in 1973 was allowed fuses. I donít know when National Fire Code was changed or when AL adopted it.

State Farm and others will not insure homes with fuses.

Me? If it ainít brokeÖ

Upgrade will not increase rents but it WILL increase salability and price.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2022 6:39 AM
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Brad20K,

I will be biting the bullet and have a modern 200 amp breaker box installed for the reasons you gave. I like anything that increases the future salability of a house even though I may hold this house for the next 10 years. My humble 2/1 bungalow across the street was bought in 2008 and I have been in love with that house ever since.

--71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2022 7:07 AM
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Ken,

Thinking more about 'below grade basements', my grandmother had one in her house that was built in 1930's. It was often referred to as the 'root cellar' and it was were coal was stored to be shoveled into the steam boiler down there. As a small child I remember it as dark and spooky place and it looked like a dungeon where people would be taken to be tortured or children to be spanked! --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2022 7:40 AM
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Roy, when you get the bid for updating the electrical panel from 100 amps to 200 amps would you mind sharing the cost ?

Locally Iím seeing projects double in price from what they used to be a couple of years ago.

--162.249.xx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2022 8:12 AM
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Better to replace with 200 amp circuit panel where in the future may require a outside outlet for a EV. While fuses work it is possible for tenant to install larger amp fuses where the wires start to over heat. Even with special inserts a tenant can remove. Basic circuit breakers then there are arc resistant circuit breakers. Check out the cost of a 200 amp panel at some of big box stores. Here no insurance will insure any electrical service that is not 200 amp where even if that is 100 amp with circuit breakers. If using a gas stove, gas water and gas clothes dryer a 100 amp is sufficient. In future if adding central AC then already exceeds a 100 amp. In last insurance policy they already write off a shingle roof at 7 years where a steel roof is longer. --68.69.xxx.xxx




Ancient Fuse Box (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2022 8:14 AM
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Dave,

This will not be my first rodeo on getting a 200amp box installed. Several of my past fixer-uppers had wiring that a previous owner or tenant had made an attempt to re-wire the house and did a horrible job of it. Those houses had to be completely re-wired with a new 200 amp breaker box. I learned my lesson on those houses and I avoid buying those type houses again since they were so expensive to rehab.

What I have now is an licensed electrician who I have been faithful to for the last 5 years. I told him that if you will not rape on price like other electricians try to do, I will become a regular customer of yours and I will not be taking quotes from your competitors when I need any electrical work. So far, this 'arrangement' has worked out pretty good. From what I can tell, he gives me an approx. 30% discount as opposed to what he charges his other customers. In addition, I have this same 'arrangement' with my licensed plumber who I have done business with since meeting him in 2008. My handyman is another one who worships the ground I walk on due to all of the regular business I give him. He is drooling right now since he knows he will be doing 80% of the rehab work at the 4/1 house. He keeps asking me,..'when is your closing date?' --71.207.xxx.x




Ancient Fuse Box (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2022 1:06 PM
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The huge profits that the extreme left wing radicals talk about does not exist with rental properties where HVAC systems, electrical plumbing, structural repairs, roofs are done. A investment certificate at a bank or credit union no further money goes in. If done right then safety and life expectancy will last a long time. In the future EV will be more common where the price of gasoline more people are going to buy electric vehicles. Decent tenants will pay a bit more for rental unit or house that is maintained as there is not a race to bottom. --68.69.xxx.xxx





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