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RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 8:29 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ken [NY]) Mar 5, 2022 9:01 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 5, 2022 10:13 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 5, 2022 10:24 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 5, 2022 10:26 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 10:29 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by MessManager [IN]) Mar 5, 2022 11:06 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by MessManager [IN]) Mar 5, 2022 11:06 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Scott [IN]) Mar 5, 2022 11:09 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 11:40 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Mar 5, 2022 12:08 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 12:33 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 12:57 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 1:04 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by RentsDue [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 1:54 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Robert J [CA]) Mar 5, 2022 2:37 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Mike [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 4:14 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 4:19 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 4:32 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Steve [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 5:15 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Allym [NJ]) Mar 5, 2022 5:48 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 5:52 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 6:01 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 6:21 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by ned [AL]) Mar 5, 2022 6:31 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 6:32 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by ned [AL]) Mar 5, 2022 6:40 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 6:52 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 6:54 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 6:57 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 7:04 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Vee [OH]) Mar 5, 2022 7:06 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 7:13 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 7:50 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 7:59 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 8:19 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 8:21 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 8:22 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 8:35 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 8:39 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by don [PA]) Mar 5, 2022 9:17 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by RentsDue [MA]) Mar 5, 2022 10:40 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by RR78 [VA]) Mar 5, 2022 11:14 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ned [AL]) Mar 5, 2022 11:34 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 6, 2022 7:41 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Mar 6, 2022 7:45 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 6, 2022 7:46 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Mar 6, 2022 7:47 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 6, 2022 7:50 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ken [NY]) Mar 6, 2022 8:43 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Sir Walter [NC]) Mar 6, 2022 10:04 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 6, 2022 10:30 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by S i d [MO]) Mar 6, 2022 5:27 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 6, 2022 6:17 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 6, 2022 6:42 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Robin [WI]) Mar 6, 2022 9:53 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by MAP [NY]) Mar 7, 2022 7:52 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 7, 2022 8:13 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by S i d [MO]) Mar 7, 2022 9:32 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Jim [OH]) Mar 7, 2022 1:32 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 7, 2022 1:59 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Jeffrey [VA]) Mar 7, 2022 2:02 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Mar 7, 2022 2:09 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 7, 2022 4:17 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Mar 8, 2022 12:52 AM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 8, 2022 5:41 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 8, 2022 5:47 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Mar 8, 2022 6:10 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Mar 8, 2022 6:25 PM
       RAFT FRAUD (by orit [MI]) Mar 11, 2022 2:34 PM


RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 8:29 AM
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I am livid that a very abusive couple had not paid rent for about 2 years, Covid and withheld rent on phony charges of not fixing very minor things that they have caused while living there and will not allowing access to address them.I'm told by another tenant that they told them that they learned tactics from the internet of how to screw your landlord sites.

Trying to evict them but it takes a long time in Ma.

So the male gets a income of 4300 a month and they get a child credit of 600 a month, The wife has a job but unsure her pay,..The rent for a very nice, 2600 square apt is 1200. heat included.

So instead of paying, they applied to RAFT.

Incredibly, they paid about 25,000 of their back rent, Good for me but not good for taxpayers.

It seems that RAFT people just takes the word that the people don't pay.

I'm wonder if there is anyone (agency or politician) that I can report this to,..

Secondly, since THEY haven't payed anything, can I report them to credit agencies that THEY haven't paid.

So a neighbor tells me that they have no intention of paying ANY more rent and they have a house lined up to buy with all the money they have saved and plan on skipping out,

Again that they have learned this from tenant internet how to screw your landlord sites.

Besides, this they are horrible tenants, moved in cats, have done non-approved alterations , loud fights until late at nights and not parking in their designated spots, overloading dumpster with big non-broken down cardboard boxes, etc.

I would like to see the state recover the money they paid them.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 9:01 AM
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Here is how i would deal with them.I would start the eviction asap.I show up at the house and knock on the door asking for my rent,they probably wont answer the door,i then walk around the house,if it is a multi i turn there hot water off which usually forces them to call me.I do this once or twice a day every day,these kind of people cant take the pressure and often move out in 7-10 days.I am always nice so if they call the cops i have not done anything to give the cops a reason to tell me to leave and not come back.When they leave sue them and get as big a judgment as you can,if they actually buy a house file the judgment and go after the house. --72.231.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 10:13 AM
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No prosecutor is going to proceed without real evidence. If you have actual proof then I would contact the state Attorney Generals office, otherwise while you may not like it you just as well get over it because the bureaucrats don't care so it will go nowhere.

Taking charge of your rental is the only thing to focus on, Ken gave some good advice. Get moving on getting them out and move on with life. --209.205.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 10:24 AM
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You do know that if the state wants their money back, they are going to come after you for it, because, in theory, you are the one who actually received it?

My suggestion is that you up your screening game to try to keep that sort of tenant out of your properties. --76.178.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 10:26 AM
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It might be possible to put a lien on their newly purchased house. If that works in your area, wait patiently until they have finished making the purchase. --76.178.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 10:29 AM
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Two years no rent, huh? Sorry, but I donít feel bad for you. --174.240.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by MessManager [IN]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 11:06 AM
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Hire an attorney and walk away. You are too upset.

1. Attorney does all default noticing

2. Attorney files eviction

3. Court holds file for 30 days to allow for tenants to apply for rental assistance.

4. Attorney files attempts to settle out of court or settlement agreement is filed with the courts. When non paying tenant demand repairs. It is requested in writing, professional repair person signs an affidavit repairs were performed or not needed.

Attorneys are cheaper than doing the same thing you have been doing for last 2 years and failing. You need to walk away to save your mental health and quality of life.

--208.72.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by MessManager [IN]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 11:06 AM
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Hire an attorney and walk away. You are too upset.

1. Attorney does all default noticing

2. Attorney files eviction

3. Court holds file for 30 days to allow for tenants to apply for rental assistance.

4. Attorney files attempts to settle out of court or settlement agreement is filed with the courts. When non paying tenant demand repairs. It is requested in writing, professional repair person signs an affidavit repairs were performed or not needed.

Attorneys are cheaper than doing the same thing you have been doing for last 2 years and failing. You need to walk away to save your mental health and quality of life.

--208.72.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 11:09 AM
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You might want to remind them that the eviction you are about to file will end any chance of getting a loan to buy their dream home. --107.141.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 11:40 AM
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"Two years no rent, huh? Sorry, but I donít feel bad for you"

Really NE,..anything I could do was considered illegal according to 2 RE lawyers here and several I questioned and got responses,on Legal sites,

Doing it illegally and they could own this building,

So what SPECIFICALLY would you do?

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 12:08 PM
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Once they are out then small claims court where once there is judgement then it may possible to put a lien on the house where doubt the they will not have a mortgage. Once there is lien then the bank will not renew mortgage. Rent arrears, damages and cleaning will be one judgement. Take pictures once they move out then can start the small claims court process where they are no longer a tenant. Here the federal government is starting to claw back some funds provided during pandemic where will have to provide bank statements along with proof of loss of income where will have pay back as they did not qualify for assistance programs as some were never effected by the pandemic. Finally most jurisdictions will award interest on the judgement. Check what the maximum is allowed in small claims court. --68.69.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 12:33 PM
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Count your blessings that you got that rent. You should probably list your property for sale today. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 12:57 PM
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Couple things:

1. YOU are the benficiary of the RAFT program ... be HAPPY for that.

2. The waste/fraud/abuse of this program can be found in EVERY guvmn't program.

For example ... I have a S8 tennie that has living in a SF I own for OVER 25 years. Never "worked" a DAY in her life. BUT I benefit as much as she does from the program.

I like to say "Show me the rules to the game and I'll figure how to WIN." Good job! You're winning. --206.84.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 1:04 PM
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Little bit funny ... the daughter of my S8 tenant once told me her mom plans to RETIRE in FL. Yup, she plans to move her housing subsity to FL.

Took every ounce of control not to bust out laughing. --206.84.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 1:54 PM
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Donít take the negative comments here personally. If you werenít a MA LL, you would probably be thinking what they are. I know of several LLs in your situation. They arent stupid or slackers. They let the wrong people in. In most other states, it wouldnít take so long to get them out. In MA, they are considered victims and the court systems treats them as such. I have turned a tenant in for benefits fraud, but I had solid documented proof. DO NOT DO IT UNTIL THEY ARE OUT OF YOUR HOME. You said they are buying a home. Let them. They are going to be mad! I was the one who received the funds for rent and I did not have to pay it back. The fraud was not on my part and it was rent that was owed to me. The tenant had to pay it back to the state because they fraudulently obtained it. It was not RAFT , so I donít know what you had to sign. I would wait until they buy their home so the state can lien it for the money they may have to pay back. In the meantime, Go on to

mass courts.org and research the evictions in your area that are actually getting done. The common thread on the successful ones in usually the lawyer doing them. Call that lawyer. --68.191.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 2:37 PM
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Ann, I understand your frustration. In my City a Landlord can NOT evict a tenant so long as there is an open unresolved Violation from any City or County agency.

I have to prove there was no real violation or that the tenant did damage to avoid being evicted. --47.155.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Mike [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 4:14 PM
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Ann

Don't take anything that guy that says that if you haven't collected rent in two years in Ma that he doesn't feel sorry for you. He often make dumb statements often here.

Listen to Rents Due and Robert[ca] and most of the others for rational suggestions here.

Some complain about all the government give aways and agencies but tell you be happy that you got paid and think there should be no reprisals to those cheating the game. We all pay for these cheats in our taxes. That money if still spent could go to more deserving people and maybe cure for diseases etc.

From listening to some LLs complain here, it sounds like these tenants probably do better than some LLs on this site at the end of the year. --96.236.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 4:19 PM
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Yep, dumb statements, except I donít have 90% of the problems most other landlords have here over and over and over and over.

Whatís dumb? Getting the job done or sitting for two years hoping the government bails you out and being very very lucky that they did?

Just more Kumbaya nonsense from the circle here.

Ann, Iím not here because I care about peopleís feelings. Thereís plenty of other humdrum landlords to take care of that for people. Iím here for their success. That is if theyíre willing to take tough love advice.

What would you be doing RIGHT NOW if you didnít get bailed out? Answer that and youíll be better prepared next time. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 4:32 PM
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Mike, maybe instead of helping this poster get back at these tenants for fraud, which may or may not revenge on her part, maybe we should dissect the laundry list of problems she lists thatís used in describing these tenants.

This problem has snowballed over 2+ years, the fraud is just the tip of the iceberg.

I wouldnít do anything to further jeopardize my property with them in it, like a fraud case. Good lord, like Ann Needs to invite more trouble. Honestly, once these scumbags are out, why should Ann waste one more second of her time or energy getting them in trouble? Get on your property so you can win.

--24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 5:15 PM
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Ann, it might be time to consider selling this property --72.93.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 5:48 PM
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You don't have to do a thing. What you describe is a couple of terrible, irresponsible, self centered people. Their entire life is nothing but a con job and it will be so going forward. The don't get along. They don't follow rules. That will come to bite them down the road. I am glad you are getting paid and they will buy that house. It will be their undoing because only wise, organized rule conscious people can keep and maintain a money pit house. My parents did it and we lived very simply with no frill. Your tenants won't be able to do that. --108.24.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 5:52 PM
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So NE, just WHAT,WHAT,WHAT, specifically would you do,..yes be specific,..not something like "SELL".

I own 14 apartment houses in 2 states. Many for over two decades. That's hundreds of tenants and managing a lot of problems over that time, handling a lot of stuff with little problem. It makes me a nice living for me.I don't know how many you own, but with some of your answers, I wonder. --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:01 PM
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AllyM

They told one of their neighbors that they have some kind of a deal (maybe a relative?) that they can't buy it for about 6 months and they don't plan on moving or paying any rent,..we have a RE lawyer trying to get them out, but in Ma it may well take 6 more months for them to move, We are on the border close to 2 other states,..I think that might make it hard to go after them,if they elect to move to one of them.

Another tenant says that they have done a lot of altering in the unit which are probably not well done as its been the male there that has done them, and hes not all that handy.So much more costs.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:21 PM
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Sometimes people get into such upside down situations that they will not listen to the advice when itís smacking them right in the face. Youíve already received in this thread the two best piece of advice that youíre going to get. Self-help or sell. Which one are you going to listen to you?

If you were able to understand my kind of solutions, you probably would have come up with them on your own by now.

Most people canít think of unconventional solutions to unconventional problems.

Youíre not the first landlord to come along with this disaster though. Many more to come.

--24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:31 PM
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I agree, if you can't get 'em out in two years, sell. I DO feel sorry for you, because two years of free rent....ugh.

I would encourage creativity.

Remember that what's illegal isn't necessary immoral.

Are you sure the place is habitable?

--70.92.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:32 PM
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Ann, letís put this another way and assume you lived near me and I knew you casually as another landlord in the area. Letís say that we bumped into each other at the grocery store check out line and you started telling me this situation. I would already be prepping you to sell the building to me. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:40 PM
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Exactly. 2 yrs is 2 long. Get 'er dun, Ann! --70.92.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:52 PM
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Yeah, as I figured, no real answers to what you would really do. Such BS. As far as selling, it's a beautiful building and with the other tenants I get about a 32K positive cash flow from it even without income from these people. Some people have to work hard digging ditches and plowing fields, and doing other hard work.

I'll keep it thank you.

But Iím still waiting for your great specific solution. Yeah I thought so. --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:54 PM
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As expected. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 6:57 PM
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I canít give you a specific solution because I dont know your personality or your physical building. All I know is 2 years is too long. Do better. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 7:04 PM
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Yes,..as expected.

You ARE a real MASTER of BS,..and I don't mean a Bachelor of science --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 7:06 PM
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I suggest -not- turning off the hot water, turn it down a lot, wait until the move and issue a accounting statement and when unpaid use a real property lien on the new place, just follow the rules. --76.190.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 7:13 PM
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Sell --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 7:50 PM
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You should sell,...that is ,..if,.. indeed, you really have anything to sell. --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 7:59 PM
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Ann, youíve had three people so far tell you to sell and three people so far tell you to go to self-help route. Whatís it going to be?

Getting revenge on these people is a waste of your energy. I know it would feel really good, but itís not worth your time. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 8:19 PM
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I'll say it again,.I do respect the OTHER Landlords on this board, but they said sell very early without full knowledge of the situation, like how much positive flow it takes in each year, even w/o these people's contribution. This building is in excellent shape and beautiful and built like a new battleship. Lots of upgrades over the years, The only question is this one unit.

As far as "self help" well I only see that in your non contributions of such.

You are, as usual ,just blowing smoke,,. "Galloping NE" --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 8:21 PM
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Well, like it or not, Self help is a landlording reality. It exists outside the typically Kumbaya that makes up most of the discussions here. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 8:22 PM
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What would you be doing right now if RAFT never came through? Entering year 3 of no rent? --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 8:35 PM
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"What would you be doing right now if RAFT never came through? Entering year 3 of no rent?"

Once again galloping Ned,..(how many times asking this?) What SPECIFICALLY what you would do,.No hiding behind you don't really know me etc,..give some examples of what YOU have done,.

Yeah,..I know your answer. --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 8:39 PM
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I think you should call the case worker on Monday and have them meet you at the apartment and tear the tenants a new one in from of the Raft employee. Really let them have it. Or smear them on Facebook as Raft cheats. Thatíll get your unit back! Or maybe call their Mom! --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by don [PA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 9:17 PM
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Ann--Did you provide any info to the gov't when they applied for the rent benefit? Be careful that you don't implicate yourself in their wrongdoing. --73.141.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 10:40 PM
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Easy now. I know it seems insane to a lot of other LLs, but ( as I mentioned) I know several LLs who have tenants who have not paid in over a year. Iím trying to buy out one of them right now. Best lawyer in town says it could be another year before the tenants are out. That is how it works here. The laws are tenant friendly but the judges are the real problem. This isnít statewide, itís more of a regional problem. Between utilities , taxes and insurance It will cost $25,000.00 to keep to keep tenants in there with no rent coming in. Every single one of these distressed LLs has applied for RAFT, do you blame them? Selling is a logical strategy if you are losing money. Some do. Some take their property back from the losers and move on. --68.191.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 11:14 PM
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Also it could be like my state, Makes no difference if you did not lose income and can afford to pay.

And you admit they where behind in rent, so it was owed. --73.40.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ned [AL]) Posted on: Mar 5, 2022 11:34 PM
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Ann-

I don't understand why anyone comes on here, asks for help, then is defensive.

If it won't make you mad, I'll ask some questions to generate some ideas:

Are you SURE the place is habitable?

Are you SURE you don't need to call codes your self, and let them know there is a repair/safety issue that requires the unit to be vacated to fix?

Are you SURE the water isn't too hot?

Are you SURE that A/C is needed in the unit?

Are you sure you don't need to paint the whole unit with a group of low, rowdy painters?

Are you SURE the drain doesn't get clogged up and not repaired?

Are you SURE that you don't want to offer CASH for keys?

Are you SURE that you don't want to let your pet snake explore the unit?

Are you SURE the water pressure doesn't need decreased dramatically?

Are you SURE the electric doesn't get turned off every few weeks while you work on a recurring problem to ensure the home is safe?

Are you SURE that don't need to remove the bedroom doors to repair them?

How about all the cabinet doors?

Are you SURE you shouldn't sell it?

--70.92.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 7:41 AM
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To Ned

No it didn't make me mad,but I might refer you to Rentsdue, a few posts above. That's pretty much how things work here.

I really sincerely thank you for your post and your list of possibilities, however, these people are great at convincing and manipulating. They have made a good friend of the local code enforcer, who also happens to be the main Board of Health guy in this small town. Two tenants have told me that a number of times they have heard him hang out there, sometimes for well over an hour, and there is a lot of happy laughing. He is known to be a tenant advocate and more than once told me he feels very sorry for these poor people.

These people have caused things to be broken to use as a tool so that they can stay without paying. he has said that's not for him to judge, and nevertheless it is his job to see that these things are fixed.

As far as we say that workmen are not let in, he says, well that's not what they say.

(We DID try a few of your suggestions)but they will call him, and he'll be out there within hours, citing us for violations.

The rest of the people in the building are great, the building is in excellent shape, needs very little upkeep and maintenance and has a pretty good net cash flow even without their monthly income now. For many years we have not had any problems with the building or the people there. We have not had reason to deal with this code inspector before.

Again, thank you and all the people who have tried to help,..but it's a bit complicated and maybe not how things work in your neck of the woods.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 7:45 AM
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Having done over a dozen evictions in MA if it took more than 3 months it was MY fault. --206.84.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 7:46 AM
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You posted about this before. I remember now. You need to make trouble for the code guy somehow. Lawsuit or something. Get him out of your building and out of your way first. Always exploit the weakest links. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 7:47 AM
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I delayed a filing or accepted a payment or missed a deadline. --206.84.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 7:50 AM
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Tyran

And these were done when the courts were closed during COVID?

How can that happen?

I have what our LL Asoc says is the best eviction lawyer around, and he couldn't seem to do it. --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 8:43 AM
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I agree with NE,you need to attack the building inspector,he is your biggest problem now,he will fold once the mayor starts asking him why he is causing you trouble.I told an inspector causing me problems that my attorney calls what he is doing torterous interference with my business and that i will sue the city and him personally if he doesnt stop,he stopped.This business is not for the weak --72.231.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 10:04 AM
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Ann,

I once had the "best" eviction lawyer around, and he couldn't seem to do it. I relieved him of this burden. I hired a lawyer who had just opened his practice and was willing to go to court. The eviction was granted.

Sometmes you don't need to go with the "name" attorney who doesn't want to risk a loss on the record. Sometimes you need to go with someone hungry. --98.122.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 10:30 AM
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Noted,..thanks guys --66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 5:27 PM
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I think the angle NE (and others) are coming from is this:

1) The Govt doesn't care.

2) The tenants don't care.

3) #1 and #2 suck, but....

4) In the end, you are the only one who cares.

5) It's "Status Quo" for at least another year.

Knowing that, you must make a decision. How long are you prepared to continue tolerating this? I doubt you will ever get them in trouble. I doubt you will ever get them to pay rent. I doubt you will be able to successfully sue them.

Therefore, what option is left?

Some of us having seen the way things are going have realized that owning rental residential real estate in certain...shall we say... "progressive" states is a no-win situation for land lords. Therefore, no land lords should own rental real estate in places where the laws have been bad for decades (rent control, anti-screening, long evictions, free lawyers, appeal after appeal, city licensing fees, etc) and are only getting worse.

Thus, the recommendation to "Sell."

The alternative is to wait and see what shenanigans the Govt dreams up next.... or, go off the beaten path.

Once upon a time, land lords would do things like turn off utilities (illegal now), remove front doors (illegal now), etc. Laws were passed. But now more laws have been passed.

Ayn Rand once said in Atlas Shrugged, "The state will pass so many laws that eventually everyone will become a lawbreaker. There will be no innocent men."

Some of us believe we are close to, or already at, that point. If that is true, there then two choices truly are (no sarcasm): Sell or Break the Law.

You have to decide for yourself if there is a legal option that is acceptable to you, and if not, then what are you prepared to do to quietly protest the injustice forced on you. Our forefathers swore an oath to risk, "The fame, their fortune, and their sacred honor" in defense of liberty. We may be approaching a refresh of that time.

All the best!

--108.230.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 6:17 PM
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Amen Sid. Give me a rent payments or give me death.

Might make a good t-shirt! Haha --174.198.xx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 6:42 PM
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Thank you Sid,,yes I have thought more recently of selling not just this property but all my places.

I swear people are not the same as when I first started and for many years for a while. Yes there were always bad people but it seems now much more of them. They are getting effective tips from Internet of how to screw your LL, and feel no guilt about it,..cause of course,..we are "the man" and they feel it's OK to screw the man.

In the case of these people, they actually had good credit. I think they orchestrated that also.Again look at some of the tricks on the Internet sites. He was considered a disabled veteran (for anger periods)and we could not get much information on him at that time.

Plus, I had a somewhat newer employee that could more easily be fooled, and she also felt sorry for their "story and plight".

At the time I was preoccupied with other matters and didn't question her as she actually had done a good job in the past.

But I think I'm ready to quit. I own places in Ma and NY. As you know, more and more it's getting worse for Landlord rights.

However, would you buy this property with these people in it? (Yes I know, there are always someone that will buy it with these problems,.. at a big discount.) I really don't want that, It still makes a pretty good cash flow. For the most part, I have others manage my properties,..I can just let the lawyer take it from here.

I can retire very well with selling all these properties and buy a few nice houses in maybe Nova Scotia (a favorite summer vacation place that I Love,) and maybe a winter place in somewhere warm. maybe Hawaii,..and buy a nice rocker chair or two for each of their porches. With some good books and music, and some better time for daily exercise. It sounds real good right now.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2022 9:53 PM
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I really feel for you, Ann. I'm fortunate enough to own rentals in cities and states that are more rational, but I can see the direction they're headed.

You have to decide what you're willing to do. You sound like a really nice person, and when you're nice it's really hard to give tenants like these what they need.

I'm a pretty nice person too: Sunday School teacher, cub scout leader, blood donor, yada yada. I don't have a lot of sympathy for thieves, though, which is what these leeches are. The fact that the law won't do anything to stop them (and in fact protects them) doesn't make it right. Injustice rankles me. It's just wrong.

Google "how to get revenge on a tenant." Some intriguing ideas out there. You have to ask yourself what you're willing to do and what it's worth to you.

What if a dead animal found its way into their ductwork? What if the furnace pilot went out at unexpected intervals? What if a large load of dirt got dumped temporarily into their parking spot? The apartment may need a great deal of maintenance, too. (Refusal to let the contractor in would result in the police being called, of course.) Don't forget low water pressure, very limited amounts of hot water, noise outside their window, doors that start sticking, cricket invasions, a rock spun off a car tire that breaks their window (and new ones take ten weeks to get in)...

Have I done any of these things? No. But I have applied pressure relentlessly in other ways until the deadbeats give up and move.

I truly don't understand the number of landlords that just shrug and let the corrupt wheels of of the law grind them into the dust. --104.230.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 7:52 AM
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Hate to be a Debbie Downer but the gov't doesn't care about fraud. They do a bit of Kabuki theatre from time to time to make it LOOK like they will prosecute. From the gov't prospective, the more people on the dole, the better. More votes to keep their bureaucratic jobs just like politicians.

The only way to curb this is to NOT allow people who are not working (outside of retired seniors) to vote. --72.231.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 8:13 AM
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Map is right, I tried to report fraud once when a person bought an FHA owner occupied only house and used it as an investment. The fine was like 200 or $250,000. I wanted to try to report it anonymously and they wanted all my information. I said Iím not giving you all my information. This guy bought the house and is flipping it and not supposed to. They said theyíre not gonna do anything without all of my personal info. So they didnít get that and the guy flipped the house and nothing ever happened to him. Guess who doesnít care about owner occupant restrictions anymore? Me! This is when I was first starting out and used to follow all the rules. --24.152.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 9:32 AM
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What would I do were I in your situation? Hard to say for certain, since you have some constraints that I don't and vise versa. But tentatively, I'd explore the following options:

1) I would exercise every legal right to enter onto the premises to do inspections, repairs, etc. I would become their worst legal nightmare. Tip toe on the line of what could be considered harassment, if they could conjure up enough money to retain a lawyer. But of course, always give proper notice for entry, etc.

2) Repairs likewise would take the maximum legal time possible and would be done with the minimal amount of effort to resolve the issue according to my legal obligations. No fast service or special goodies for poor customers.

3) Hire a guy with a really loud motorcycle to drive by the house 3-4 times per night at 2 hour intervals. (*wink) Hey, one can dream about them not getting any sleep, eh?

As I said earlier, and as NE alluded to, when it gets to the point where the Govt no longer protects the legal property rights of citizens, and in fact makes repressive laws such as eviction moratoriums that force land lords to house people for free and allow them to do damages and/or flaunt their lease in other ways, they have tiptoed right up to the line where the Constitution forbids quartering of troops...or civilians in this case. I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers would have included the phrase "or civilians" in the Constitution had they ever dreamed for one minute that a Govt would ever enact such laws, but that concept of property rights violation is so egregious I don't think it ever crossed their minds.

So, when a person's inalienable rights are being alienated, you have to get creative and "throw off tyranny." We've all had life so easy for so long regarding foreign enemies that we've forgotten that the first and worst tyrant of is often one's own nation state. How far are we prepared to tolerate before we say, "ENOUGH!" and force the powers that be to hear us?

Normally, I am a law abiding citizens, but I'm seeing signs on the horizon that soon it may not be possible nor morally incumbent upon me to abide by every law our Govt passes. Just because a law is passed does not mean it is morally good, and I do not consider myself obliged to obey immoral laws. Yes, that may cause me to "get in trouble".... so be it.

--108.230.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by Jim [OH]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 1:32 PM
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There was no question here. This should have been posted as a RAFT FRAUD Rant. Jeesh.

Ann, the Dems run your state. Expect nothing less than what you're already getting. --184.57.xxx.xx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 1:59 PM
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Censorship here makes no sense. That was a real life situation I shared. --174.240.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 2:02 PM
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NE, real life situation or not, the webmaster removed your post because of the language that was used and will continue to remove any posts that contains offensive language. --70.161.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 2:09 PM
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Come on Jeffrey. It wasnít spelled out and thereís certainly been way worse stuff thatís been left up here. --174.198.x.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2022 4:17 PM
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Ann,

Maybe I missed it and this could be a teaching moment for others. What item is the tenant claiming needs to get resolved and how did you address this matter? --24.101.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Mar 8, 2022 12:52 AM
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If they buy a house then having a judgement from small claims court where rent arrears, damages and cleaning along with interest is a better option. Once the mortgage comes up for renewal then the bank will not renew if there is lien on the house. What happened Raft is that is history. It is business where people who owe are going to pay. If they do not buy a house then can garnishee wages. --68.69.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 8, 2022 5:41 PM
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Ray-N-Pa

They/we acknowledged in pre signed inspection sheet, that there was a small crack in a window (HUD allows for a small stable crack with no looseness or open to let air in BUT anyway we were not allowed in to fix it,

And no, the usual way to gain access to an apt does not work here, (I have other buildings in other states where I could gain access)

They now say there are 6 or 7 cracked windows (we are sure that wasn't the case when they moved in

The only other thing they are using is that one of the TWO BIG windows that are side by side, have been caulked closed,..apparently by the former tenant.

Their friend the code inspector harps that all things should work as intended,..thus cited us on that,

Now just 2-3 feet away,,.not only the other window opens

but besides those potential escape routes, there are 2 egresses AND,... a fire escape.

BTW Window World says we have the right to install NON opening windows there like they have in high rise building,..and it would satisfy all codes.

So they have been trying to use these as a tool in order to stay without paying.

Between COVID restriction to evict, and these phony claims, they have been able to stay.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 8, 2022 5:47 PM
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Robert:

Well they are saying since RAFT paid all but these last 2 month which they are claiming to hold because of "deficiencies" in the unit,..

Despite they make over 5K a month from the government on a rent of a very nice apt, that is bigger than the average house in Ma and only paying 1200 a month,..(with heat inc)

That I'm wondering if I can really say that THEY didn't pay rent since June 2020.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Mar 8, 2022 6:10 PM
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If they buy a house then any judgement from small claims court a lien on house will prevent renewing mortgage where that is even better then garnishee wages as they will have to pay back or no mortgage. If turned over to collection company then will only get fifty per cent which is better then nothing. --68.69.xxx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Mar 8, 2022 6:25 PM
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Oh yes we this unit has always been if anything a bit too warm. But now they complain it's too cold and called their friend the code inspector. One of the other tenants, who they think is a friend of theirs, told us that they opened their windows, and shut off their radiators for a while before he was scheduled to show up. Yes the apartment was then cold.

We were warned by the code guy about this. However, we informed him that there is a wireless thermometer in that unit that reports to our receiving unit in the basement which showed that it had not gone below 64 ,..not bad since they took off most of their storm windows in this windy and cold Mountain town.(24 BIG windows)

He backed off of that, at least for now. I'm not sure if they're planning to try to use him during the court trial meeting.

There might be a bit of blow to them in the fact that I was able to get some of the other tenants to finally call child protective services. They allow complaints to be made while being anonymous. Because of that, they were willing to complain to them.

They have one child that screams for hours upon hours late at night. Yes, she does have problems. But she also screams that she's going to kill herself.

The other tenants said that she was quiet for the first time in a long time when her father was in the mental hospital in Boston for two weeks,.But as soon as he came back, she started this horrendous,( I heard a tape of it!) screaming and threatened to kill her self. I believe she's about 12 years old.

Child protective services has been out there before but I'm not sure why. I know at least one time it was for this same complaint of the girl screaming for hours until late at night. As far as I know, the service didn't do anything about it.(this complaint was from a neighbor in a building next door.)

But now with a number of other residents registering a complaint, maybe they will act on it and maybe that might have an influence on the judge. That a child being abused might trump the fact of the poor, hundred percent disabled veteran.

--66.30.xx.xxx




RAFT FRAUD (by orit [MI]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2022 2:34 PM
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schedule an inspection. Very likely the free house is not in good shape. Eviction would be faster for unsanitary home keeping. Think of any other violation that is not related to the rent payment. --73.191.xxx.xxx





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