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Functionally obsolete (by AW [VA]) Jan 23, 2022 10:09 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Roy [AL]) Jan 23, 2022 10:28 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Busy [WI]) Jan 23, 2022 10:50 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by JAC [OH]) Jan 23, 2022 11:04 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Roy [AL]) Jan 23, 2022 11:33 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 23, 2022 1:53 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Ken [NY]) Jan 23, 2022 2:12 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Roy [AL]) Jan 23, 2022 2:29 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Deanna [TX]) Jan 23, 2022 2:35 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by WL [CA]) Jan 23, 2022 2:46 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Small potatoes [NY]) Jan 23, 2022 10:29 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 24, 2022 8:54 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Robin [WI]) Jan 24, 2022 9:17 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Robin [WI]) Jan 24, 2022 9:17 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Ken [NY]) Jan 24, 2022 11:29 AM
       Functionally obsolete (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 24, 2022 1:15 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 24, 2022 1:16 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by Wilma [PA]) Jan 24, 2022 2:17 PM
       Functionally obsolete (by MAP [NY]) Jan 24, 2022 3:58 PM


Functionally obsolete (by AW [VA]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 10:09 AM
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I am looking at an apartment building built in the 60s. The built in refrigerator cubby in an apartment building built around the early 60s is both too narrow and too short for today's standard sized refrigerators. Any replacement refrigerators either have to be specially ordered, or the cabinet installation has to be reconfigured and reinstalled to allow for modern refrigerators..

Washer and dryer sizes are larger now. The doors of laundry closets have to removed in order to get the front loading washer and dryer to fit. The washer and dryers will stick outside of the closet. Some tenants want to bring their own appliances.

What other things do you guys see in homes that scream old, obsolete, bad layout, or too small?

--91.149.xxx.xx




Functionally obsolete (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 10:28 AM
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Electrical wiring for a house that only needed 60-100 amps when it was first built. Sometimes the entire house has to be re-wired to meet modern electrical codes. Every house I have bought has had major electrical repairs/upgrades to pass a city inspection.

Ancient galvanized plumbing pipes that have so much rust built up inside, the water only trickles out in a brown reddish color. Re-plumb the house with PEX. Been there on several occasions.

Underground drain pipes that carry sewage to the city main sewer are encased in tree roots or have collapsed due to old age, usually need replacement. And paying for a new sewer tap is quite expensive too. Been there on 2 occasions. --71.207.xxx.x




Functionally obsolete (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 10:50 AM
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24" bathroom doors! When Mama is pregnant, that has always been a tight squeeze. 32" accommodates a wheelchair, 36" accommodates a wheelchair with fewer door dings.

No space for recycling bins.( And tenants don't PLAN for recycling. Tenants are out of date too! Lol!)

Narrow angles to get bedroom furniture into bedrooms. I widen doorways whenever I can.

And as Roy said about electrical. I even plan for convenient cell phone charging spots. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 11:04 AM
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Double check the refrig size. I have a late 1950s 4 plex and it is a 28 inch refrig. They are available at big box and have never had an issue getting one.

Bathrooms are probably fully encased in concrete. Good and bad. Good for durability, bad for remodel as you will be working twice as hard on remodels.

Electricity in kitchens and bath. Probably running off of other circuits and setup for breaker trips when running hairdryers, instapots, etc.. Is it easy to run new circuits in the building?

Check the attic insulation.

If it is brick building expect no insulation in exterior walls. Brick air gap and plaster.

Cast iron plumbing stacks with galvanized horizontals. A recipe for clogs in the horizontals.

The good part is they provide good money flow. I can have two units down and still break even. The bad news is tenants getting along. Some tenants are just not cut out for multi-family buildings and that is hard to screen for.

--72.49.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 11:33 AM
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Houses built before 1960? never had a laundry room. Most of my old houses have a small room built on the back of the house just to hold a washer/dryer. And where the small room addition roof meets the existing house roof, that area always leaks when it rains.

Many old houses (50-75 years) have floors that slope to one side due to sagging floor joist. The 75 year old house I looked at last week the entire living room floor had collapsed into the crawl space. I did offer my usual $5K for it.

Personally, I would never live in a house that did not have Central Heat and Air, however, many of my tenants don't seem to mind using cheap space heaters and window a/c units. It is what it is.

--71.207.xxx.x




Functionally obsolete (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 1:53 PM
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You have a challenge on your hands. I purchased many older 1920's apartments that were narrow with 18" counters and barely enough space with a stove and refrigerator on one side and the sink on the other side. So I did some creative designing each time a unit became vacant.

In one case I had a closet outside the kitchen along one wall behind the stove and refrigerator. Instead of the closet having a built in dresser along the rear wall with double cloth rods above it, I gutted the closet and stole space for the kitchen, putting only cloth rods in that hallway closet. The kitchen was given another foot of space so a built a space for the stove and refrigerator to be pushed back a foot and also installed a venting hood above the stove. --47.155.xx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 2:12 PM
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built in 1960? I have owned houses where the bathroom was put in long after it was built --72.231.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 2:29 PM
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Ken

My 78 year old handyman told me grew up in a house with no in door plumbing. His family had a Well for water and an outhouse to poop in. --71.207.xxx.x




Functionally obsolete (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 2:35 PM
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Hot water heater closets/enclosures. After the EPA regulations that passed within the last 10 years, hot water heaters now have a larger diameter than before. So when the time comes to replace my older hwh's, it's a challenge I'll have to face. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 2:46 PM
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If you need to replace older hwh, look at 30 gallon or instant gas water heaters. I recommend the Bosch instant hwh with a pilot light if you can find them. In my experience, electronic ignitions are a point of failure. --174.65.x.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2022 10:29 PM
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this also includes appliances that are not worth repairing because the circuit panel is too expensive and appliances and other items that are not designed to be serviced and must be discarded. --172.58.xxx.xx




Functionally obsolete (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 8:54 AM
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A demand water heater does not take a lot of space where can be mounted on wall. In the house using Takagi demand water heater where had since 2005. Increasing diameter of direct fired hot water only provides a small increase in efficiency as heat still goes up chimney when no hot water is required. Often wiring is outdated when there was number of electric devices where complete rewiring with circuit breakers is required. --68.69.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 9:17 AM
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Knob and tube wiring. Still acceptable and functional in my area, but we upgrade where it's acceptable. Also, bedrooms with small closets, or none at all.

Roy nailed it--galvanized pipes, clay sewer pipes always need to be replaced. --104.230.xxx.xx




Functionally obsolete (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 9:17 AM
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Knob and tube wiring. Still acceptable and functional in my area, but we upgrade where it's acceptable. Also, bedrooms with small closets, or none at all.

Roy nailed it--galvanized pipes, clay sewer pipes always need to be replaced. --104.230.xxx.xx




Functionally obsolete (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 11:29 AM
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Roy,in the late 70s my aunt and uncle bought 100 acres with an old farmhouse,it only had a couple outlets and a light in the kitchen and no water in the house and an outhouse and someone lived there until they bought it.They gutted the whole place and redid it. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 1:15 PM
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JAC describes my personal residence. When I redid the bathrooms, they were cement with lovely colored 4" ceramic tiles - walls,floors, ceilings, vanity tops - it all flowed together and was such a nice look. And basically no insulation in my walls.

Many of my houses were built with no indoor bathrooms. It is kind of comical where they were placed and bedrooms or balconies chopped up to accommodate them. I've got several houses where there was no electricity - you can still find the gas lines in the walls for the wall lights.

At my farm, which was purchased by my great grandparents in 1922, the house is probably from 1850ish. When I was young in the 1950s electricity was brought in. I remember my mom took us to watch them setting the poles - of course she probably just wanted rid of us for a few hours. --98.237.xxx.xx




Functionally obsolete (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 1:16 PM
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Avocado appliances

Orange counter tops

pink tub surrounds

Shag carpet --24.101.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 2:17 PM
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Aluminum siding - ever since cell phones replaced land lines for most people, a house with aluminum siding is cursed at, as getting a decent signal inside is difficult. That siding is also danged noisy - rain and sleet make a racket, and the sun heating up the siding on a cold day makes cracking noises as it expands. Still, I have one sfh with the siding - kinda waiting for a hail storm to damage it so that we can get it replaced by insurance, LOL. (And it looks fine.) --98.115.xxx.xxx




Functionally obsolete (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2022 3:58 PM
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All my rentals were built in the 1870's. Push button switches, knob and tube, no grounding, etc. We update them to have 100 amp service on each floor (duplexes) for a total of 200 amps. duplex we are working on now had a fire so the upstairs was gutted anyway.

Of course there was the endless junk removal. --174.208.xx.x





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