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Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 9:26 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 9:34 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 9:46 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 9:48 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 9:53 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by myob [GA]) Jan 12, 2022 10:13 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 10:13 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 10:15 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 10:22 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 10:26 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 12, 2022 11:12 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 11:43 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 11:48 AM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 12:04 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by myob [GA]) Jan 12, 2022 12:07 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Jan 12, 2022 12:25 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by myob [GA]) Jan 12, 2022 12:45 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 12, 2022 1:13 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by plenty [MO]) Jan 12, 2022 3:49 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Robin [WI]) Jan 12, 2022 9:36 PM
       Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by GKARL [PA]) Jan 12, 2022 11:54 PM

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Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 9:26 AM
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On 12-29-21 the concrete front porch at my only MH collapsed. I am so fortunate (lucky) that no one was injured when this happened. Two weeks ago, I told my tenant he may have to move out since fixing this porch could take 3 months. However, due to my handyman being a genius, we got this project done in 2 weeks finishing yesterday. I have been using the same handyman for last 8 years and in the last 2 weeks he proved his ultimate worth to me. This man (named Donald) is 78 years old and he amazes me every time I hire him in his proficiency. Yesterday I paid him almost twice the amount he quoted me just to show my appreciation.

Even you only have 1 rental property, I would hope that you have a handyman like mine who can pull your butt out of a jamb like mine was in the last 2 weeks. (I also hope your handyman is not your spouse either). Getting this project done in 2 weeks required 'teamwork' with everyone involved having a job to do (including me). I played the role of general contractor in making sure everyone on my team here had what they needed to do their job with. I even bought a permit for this job since my handyman insisted I do so. Without a permit, the city could have condemned this rental property.

My only question is this: if this same type of disaster had happened at one of your rentals with a tenant living there,...what resources do you have to deal with this situation? --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 9:34 AM
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I could build the whole thing myself in no time, so I donít have these types of problems. My resources to deal with it are a tape measure and a notepad. Then run to the lumber yard for material. If I had to hire it out, it would be dependent on calling several guys and seeing who could get there first in an emergency or whoís the best deal in a non-emergency. --174.198.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 9:46 AM
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NE,

I know you are a master DIY'er, however, to get this job done in two weeks required a team of pros working together like a well oiled machine. I know you could have done everything here yourself, but how long would that take? Having a tenant living here is what created the situation of 'time is of the essence'. --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 9:48 AM
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It all depends on how big it is. What are your dimensions. Is everything removed? Once youíre up and running, it doesnít take any time to frame up a porch 16 inches on center. --174.198.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 9:53 AM
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Hereís an example. If my RE partner and I were framing up a ranch house that was 1200 ft.≤ with 2 grunt laborers, Single story and the sill plate was on the foundation, we could have the floor trusses in and the subfloor in a day. Most Exterior walls in a day, roof trusses the next day and possibly some of the roof sheeting. Then interior walls in another day or two. So 5 to 6 working days, we could take you from a sill plate to a framed up ranch. Provided the weather was good and all the material was there and the framing nailers didnít break down.

I know that two weeks to do a deck with a bunch of pros seems like a feat, but itís really not in the construction world. Not busting your a$$, just sayin. --174.198.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 10:13 AM
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thought and a plan. Think it through. Look for options-- cost and time wise. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 10:13 AM
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NE,

In my 16 years in this business, I have built up a list of sub-contractors who I can call if my handyman was not available. One of these subs owned a full size HD jack hammer and I hired him just to bust the remaining slab that did not collapse. Any thing my handyman could not do, I was hiring other subs to come in and do a specific job. Getting the jack hammer man there on short notice was another benefit of knowing the right people. Even my electrician was hired to run a new 20 amp circuit/outlet just so my crew would have power where they needed it. He always gives me a discount since I am one of his few regular customers.

My only point here is: if I was a 100% DIY like you seem to be,...I would not have all of the resources that I currently have. I am a believer in hiring out as much out as I can. --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 10:15 AM
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My original RE partner used to work on crews building tract homes in Florida. They would frame 1.5 houses a day. --174.198.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 10:22 AM
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Roy, I hire a lot of stuff out too when it makes sense. If itís easier and quicker for me to do it, I do it. I have tons of people to call too. Itís not always the best answer though. Look at the last few threads on water heater replacement. Landlords getting absolutely HOSED in costs to replace these units which arenít any harder than a vanity faucet plus waiting 1-2 weeks to do it.

So, going back to your original post, Iíd say my greatest resource for a project like this is my brain. What is the quickest way for me to approach this deck so I win in both time and money. Is it me or is it hired out? Whatís your goal? $250/hr in income? Does it save me $250/hr to do it myself instead of hiring it out? Same difference. --174.198.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 10:26 AM
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Myob,

One option I did have was to farm out the entire project to a general contractor who builds houses for a living. That contractor would have told me it would take him and his crew at least 30-45 days before he could even start on it. He would have also told me to put my tenant in a motel while his company was working on this project. Talk about a can of worms here. --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 11:12 AM
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I'm the one you are talking about. I've always done my own work, sometimes hiring out the electrical or plumbing. I used to always have a good handyman when I was working a day job but the pool changes regularly around here. Of the last two, one got too old, 87 the last job, and the other moved to the next little town up and is now maintenance manager at a cheese producer. I haven't worried about it too much since I retired from the day job a few years ago. I enjoy doing the work and it keeps me active.

Things changed in October when I was diagnosed and started cancer treatments. I had neither the energy or the mental stamina to work on rentals. We limped along finding help here and there this fall. I'm finally feeling a little better and able to do a few things but I've got to find a good handyman again. That is the only skillset that is missing on my team in case I need help once again in the future. Even if I want to do the work, I need to think of my wife in case I'm suddenly not able.

So, picking up on Roy's point. For those of you like me, What would you do if you suddenly found yourself incapacitated an unable to do work at your rentals? --209.16.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 11:43 AM
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MikeA

Your question is a great one. How does someone run their rental business when 'key people' (you or someone else) are not there to 'run the show and make things happen'? This is the classic dilemma that most Mom and Pop businesses will have to deal with at some point. --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 11:48 AM
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MikeA, Iíd probably sell everything because it wouldnít be cost effective to hire everything out anymore. On rentals anyway and just do flips. Plus watching goons fumble through projects and shoddy workmanship would drive me nuts. --174.198.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 12:04 PM
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NE,

On my porch project, how much things cost me was not my primary concern. Getting things done quickly was. My total cost are going to be around $3,000 but if I had farmed it out, it would have cost $15,000 which would have included lost rent and motel bills. --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 12:07 PM
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Roy when we started out-- who took time off? Who went away? We worked like dogs 24-7-365 for 10+ years. I worked 2nd shift (even though I could hold days). Vacation was dedicated to buying and working fixers. I would bring my regular work cloths to the job and shower at 2PM to be at the airport hangar by 3PM.

I trained my 2 son's to do every thing I do. One is our partner and is taking over the business BUT we still work together each day. He has his own RE so its a winner for all. He goes off when we're here. We go when he's here. Poor wife does the books. (she gets compensated)

Our current MM has been with us for about 7 years and to be honest I treat him more as a son then employee. He has been trained in ever aspect of property management and repair. I pay him like family also-- including time off. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 12:25 PM
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Myob,

I wish I had 4 sons like my father did. My Dad had 4 personal slaves at his beckon call. I have no wife or children which means I even have to do my laundry and a host of other things. I am not complaining though. I have a personal assistant now (female) who does almost everything a wife would do. --71.207.xxx.x




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 12:45 PM
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Roy how big an operation you have? If you have enough for personnel an assistant then you have enough for a MM/personnel assistant.

As I said I train all my people and one thing I stress with my MM is his day may include talking to a tenant or two. Making a decision based on situations.

When you bring along a person in your shadow let their silhouette come through. I love it when I hear my MM did something (made a decision) to move ahead with something.

Roy I've had one or two women in these 30+ years who were fantastic at maint.

One of my bosses, who's wife worked for us for a few years, called me up one day. This is a true story. He wanted to thank me for all I taught his wife. He comes home and everything is fixed. He never calls anyone to do work because she does it all. Now that was good training-- don't you think? --99.103.xxx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 1:13 PM
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It's so difficult to find a great trustworthy experienced handyman who's a jack of all trades. Your man Donald is a true treasure.

When I started to buy rentals I was just entering college and lived an hour away. Lucky for me there was a my savior, Ted, who worked for my realtor that helped me find and sell me my first 7 houses.

Having a shoe string budget, I used Ted to do fixes and did everything myself, with exception of painting. I had a Bob for that. For $350 he would paint the complete interior of a home. His motto, have spray gun and will travel. --47.155.xx.xxx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 3:49 PM
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I call mine "the secret weapon" ... He makes me a hero everytime. and yes I have paid more than he asked. Like a thank you bonus. --172.58.xxx.xx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 9:36 PM
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If I ever have a porch collapse, I think I'll just call NE. --104.230.xxx.xx




Collapsed porch / rebuilt (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 11:54 PM
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For the most part, I don't even think about trying to do maintenance task myself. For one, I'm not skilled at that sort of thing, two, I have no time and lastly, it takes all the fun out the business to do that stuff. --209.122.xx.xxx



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