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Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Jan 5, 2022 12:17 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 12:22 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 12:23 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 5, 2022 1:34 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Ken [NY]) Jan 5, 2022 1:55 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Jan 5, 2022 1:57 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 2:19 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Jason [VA]) Jan 5, 2022 2:50 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 5, 2022 3:27 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 3:42 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Scott [IN]) Jan 5, 2022 4:24 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Scott [IN]) Jan 5, 2022 4:24 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Allym [NJ]) Jan 5, 2022 5:13 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by plenty [MO]) Jan 5, 2022 6:11 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by P.B. [MI]) Jan 5, 2022 6:25 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 6:55 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 7:20 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Arron [MA]) Jan 5, 2022 10:09 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 10:27 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 5, 2022 10:41 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 10:48 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Arron [MA]) Jan 5, 2022 10:51 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Ken [NY]) Jan 5, 2022 11:00 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 5, 2022 11:02 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Arron [M]) Jan 5, 2022 11:21 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 6, 2022 3:59 AM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 6, 2022 6:45 AM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Still Learning [NH]) Jan 6, 2022 8:28 AM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Jan 6, 2022 8:40 AM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Wilma [PA]) Jan 6, 2022 2:30 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 6, 2022 3:04 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Jan 12, 2022 8:04 PM
       Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Jan 12, 2022 8:06 PM

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Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 12:17 PM
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Looks as thought the climate change activists want to ban wood stoves and possibly wood burning fireplaces as of October 1, 2022. Just googled it after hearing about it on a local talk radio show and sure enough, there's an article by the Times Union stating that wood smoke leads to heart attacks. Since when is NYS concerned about heart attacks when they are militantly pushing the JoeTox jab? --72.231.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 12:22 PM
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I was talking to someone about this the other day. Its another one of those “rules” that gets filed in the “who cares” or “good luck with that” folder. Go split a cord of wood with an ax and tell me how good that aerobic exercise is for your heart. I d iots. --174.198.xx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 12:23 PM
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Might be a good time to buy some heating fuel stock that services NY state. There will be drones who give up their wood stoves just cuz Daddy said so. --174.198.xx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 1:34 PM
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In the house using a EPA rated Drolet wood stove which has double wall pipe right down to the stove. A high efficiency wood stove burns hotter along with wood gas is burned as well where there is greater efficiency when the stove reaches operating temperature there is very little or no smoke from the chimney as the wood gas is burned in the stove. As a result of more complete combustion there is no creosote in the chimney where took off pipes then the pipes were cleaned along with running brush up the chimney. The stove is rated 3.5 grams per hour which is low where some new stove have ratings even lower. A unilateral approach to climate change where everyone has to go in the same direction. China and India will not stop using dirty coal fired power stations. Unlike the Us if use the high efficiency gas furnace there is carbon tax on natural gas here wood is free no carbon tax. Every month slowly spray foaming section by section of the house where it is starting to show results as heat is staying in longer. If had the funds would convert the house to net zero where no heating or cooling would be required. Solar panels would provide power where no connection to the grid. The climate activist want to ban people from using natural gas stoves as well where some cities will not allow new construction to have a natural gas connection. So in the mean time have to save the funds to buy DIY spray foam kits to overall reduce heating costs. In 2005 converted out stove, dryer to natural gas as electricity costs in the province of Ontario are expensive where even though there is carbon tax the stove does not use a lot where only use dryer not very often as the front load washing machine spins out most the water. It is possible to install a outdoor outlet where if decided to buy EV vehicle then will be able to charge. Suppose here there was nothing was being burned no combustion then would global warming end. One of the reasons why products are so cheap from those countries is dirty energy. Slowly there are going to be improvements at least in North America and the EU. --99.236.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 1:55 PM
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I will keep burning,who will even enforce it? probably health dept but it will be complaint driven,most of my neighbors burn wood at least part time so i dont imagine anyone will come here anyway.I season my wood very well so most of the time you cant even see smoke coming out of my stack,i even had a neighbor telling me i didnt have a fire going because he couldnt see smoke. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 1:57 PM
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We have three legacy (pre catalytic) previously enjoyed wood stoves. The one for the 2 story garage is not yet hooked up. Propane is becoming prohibitive.

Vermont Castings Defiant and Resolute --72.231.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 2:19 PM
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Pat (Va) what are your thoughts about banning wood burning this week? --24.101.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 2:50 PM
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Just another smile and nod law. Just like those signs I dutifully abide by on the highway that read "55 MPH". --165.225.xx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 3:27 PM
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In California they have or are about to ban Natural Gas in any new Construction. This goes for Heaters/Furnaces, Water Heaters, Stoves/Ovens and cloths dryers. So now they are going to to produce new massive electrical power. How are they going to generate it? Coal, Natural gas Generator or Hydro plants (with a water shortage)? Nope, solar which will take 20 years to catch up to the new demands..

Expect to dry you cloths on the old cloths lines and rely on sun power and Cold showers. --47.155.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 3:42 PM
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You might be onto something there, Robert J. I definitely think that we are going to see old ways becoming new again. --24.152.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 4:24 PM
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If this crazy thing ever finds traction, they might follow the California model and ban the sales of all wood burning appliances and paraphernalia.

Reminds me I need to buy a flue kit today for my new stove. --107.141.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 4:24 PM
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If this crazy thing ever finds traction, they might follow the California model and ban the sales of all wood burning appliances and paraphernalia.

Reminds me I need to buy a flue kit today for my new stove. --107.141.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 5:13 PM
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You saw what happened in TX last year with the fragile solar and windmill energy. Yes, I don't know where they think all that electricity will come from. Sun has a Maximum and Minimum stage every 11 years. We are one year into the return of Maximum. We have to stop this. It's not OK. I am reading a climate book and it some scientists feel that the greenhouse gases are preventing a return of an Ice AGe. The Real Story of Climate by Kirsten Peters. Ebay $4.00. --108.24.xx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 6:11 PM
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Are the politicians running out of things to do? Tired of talking about masks? What the heck. Next is chewing gum, chap stick, and concrete. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by P.B. [MI]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 6:25 PM
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I like to split wood. And I think it is an excellent workout for my heart as well as the rest of me.

It all depends on how a person pays attention to their body.

We cut all of our wood early in the season before the ferns come up and by doing so the wood is good and dry which reduces the smoke. Wood is our main source of heat.

As with any construction, a residence must obtain a occupancy permit. When the building department signs the permit into effect it insures the safety of the homes construction. And because of that permit the building is then Grandfathered in so no changes need to be made if new laws apply. Our wood stove was in place when our permit was issued.

In our county someone already tried to outlaw wood stoves. They came up against a block wall because the majority of country homes burn wood.

I look forward to springtime because I also enjoy cutting, using the chainsaw, getting some good healthy exercise, spending time in the woods with my husband and Grand-kids. We pack a lunch and make a day of it. We all love it. --67.22.x.x




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 6:55 PM
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PB, my situation is the same as yours. Wood is my main source of heat. Plus doing all the flip houses, we are often cutting trees. It makes sense to burn them. --174.197.xxx.x




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 7:20 PM
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Plenty, politicians love to find ways to justify their existence. Makes you wonder how we survived for 1,000’s of years. We didn’t heat with solar and propane. It was wood. And we roasted big beautiful hunks of meat from animals we clubbed over a roaring fire. --174.197.xxx.x




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Arron [MA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 10:09 PM
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"Plenty, politicians love to find ways to justify their existence. Makes you wonder how we survived for 1,000’s of years. We didn’t heat with solar and propane. It was wood. And we roasted big beautiful hunks of meat from animals we clubbed over a roaring fire. "

Yea and 1000's of years later the population has increased exponentially.

I can remember in the 80's when a lot of people here were burning wood. In my tight house (checked via blower door) at times you were worried about the smell of something burning in the house only to find out it was coming from outside with so many burning wood.

At times if you went outside, you almost choked and had burning eyes with the wood smoke.

I often had to travel 90. miles to work sites some mornings over the local hills. Especially in the valleys sometime there would be so much smoke holding nearer the ground that you could hardly see. Also came into the car practically choking you.

I had a wood stove too in those days ,..but I gave it up.

Yeah you can not like the regulation, and you can pretend to act tough about it, but if a neighbor calls the board of health or whoever they chose to enforce this. I'm sure it's going to work to say "I ainta gone pay no fine"

Yeah, that going to work.

In my town they had a gizmo that they would come out often from a complaint, and if the smoke was too dense, you got a heavy fine. Like LL's that tow a car,.it didn't take too many times of them, that the person decided that it wasn't worth it, and people using their woodstove find it wasn't worth the fine, Besides all all the hassles of burning wood.

I remember a big reason why I stopped, was thinking about cutting,hauling, splitting, stacking,covering it, bring t in, loading it into the stove, (and often cleaning up the mess on the floor) dealing with the ash clean outs, maintaining the stack, occasionally cleaning the chimney, often a bit of smoke pollution, (ever been in a house that uses a wood stove and you CAN'T smell it? )disposing of the ashes and probably a few more that I don't remember.

But what I DO remember is that a a certain time I realized that messing with this wood stove and all the time and effort involved, I could have gotten a job at McDonald's and more than paid for the (oil in my area)..Not to mention how it took away time for building my real estate empire,

I'm glad to see the wood stoves go,I say good riddance,and yes I will sometimes will start a fire in my fireplace just because I sometimes like it, but not to have it to go long periods to heat my house.(which I know fireplaces don't contribute that much anyway.)

But maybe I'm just lucky to earn enough to pay for heat. I also increased insulation, tightened up the house and invested in good windows. It really doesn't put a big dent in my budget to heat anymore..

. --66.30.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 10:27 PM
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I’ll throw an extra log on in your honor before bed tonight Arron. --24.152.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 10:41 PM
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Expensive where a high efficiency European indoor wood boiler which has very low emissions. People have little knowledge about secondary burn wood stoves where the EPA rated wood stoves have low emissions. A fireplace at best is 20 per cent efficient where simply installing wood insert the efficiency will reach 70 per cent with no smoke or low smoke along with less creosote or no creosote as the secondary burn of wood gasses prevents creosote from forming inside chimney. The problem with the critics is they do not even represent 0.01 per cent of the population. Ever ask a critic what they accomplished in life then will see absolutely nothing. In house using natural gas demand hot water heater along with all LED lighting along with upgrading insulation. It is going to take time to completely spray foam house where buying DIY spray foam kits is expensive. Most people care about the environment where there disincentives not to improve. Suppose upgrade exterior walls with solid board insulation then stucco then install solar panels on roof then property taxes increase dramatically. --99.236.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 10:48 PM
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You shouldn’t be seeing any smoke from your chimney if you’re burning correctly. Unless the wood is green, wet, or not burning hot enough. I use an older Fisher with no converter and I run it full throttle for about 25 minutes after loading it before dampening it down. It will burn several hours with no smoke coming out of the chimney. I only have smoke when I first light the fire or reload with wood. Very short time. --24.152.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Arron [MA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 10:51 PM
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Yeah, and if your house burns down from any possible evidence that the stove caused it, AND if you didn't tell your insurance company that you have a wood stove AND paid the extra amount of the premium they will charge, they will deny paying on your claim.

Yep burning wood saves, money.

--66.30.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 11:00 PM
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Aaron,I do firewood as a hobby,It gets me out in the woods to cut,split and stack.My stove burns clean because i season 3-4 years.My house is owned by a trust so yes i found a policy for a renter with a woostove,was not easy but i got it.Kind of hyprotical to tell me to stop using my stove while you are lighting a fireplace,bet i know who you voted for. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 11:02 PM
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Chimney swept professionally every year with a compliment that the flue is clean and the professional says that however I’m burning is correct. Insurance paid. Several winters worth of wood stacked and drying. Ready to go. If we lose power for days, we’ll be nice and toasty AND able to cook. As a matter of fact, having a wood stove was on our “must have” list when looking for our 2nd house. --24.152.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Arron [M]) Posted on: Jan 5, 2022 11:21 PM
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Ken, I use the fireplace perhaps once a week in the colder months. Again I know it doesn't contribute much to heating the house and keeping the flue open while it cools down probably ends in a negative.

As far as who I voted for, I bet you don't know. Its a bit disappointing that you would say something to assume that. Do you know who Bill Buckley was? If he were alive and running that who I would have voted for.

As for NE? Well, I have read a number of his posts before.I don't fight with an unarmed person. --66.30.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 6, 2022 3:59 AM
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A fireplace is not very efficient along with more creosote as there is no secondary combustion. A EPA rated wood insert is really a high efficiency wood stove made to fit into a fireplace. Secondary combustion burns hotter along less creosote or no creosote at all. EPA rated the stainless steel tube you can see the flames along with flames burning the wood gas where not close to the wood. Had insurance company inspect where clearances to combustion were ok. I watch the wood stove carefully where turn down damper so wood stove does not over fire. Sometimes the high efficiency furnace kicks in the morning depending on outside temperature. Last year replaced the furnace with a new high efficiency furnace along with venting where used CVPC for exhaust and combustion air. All the ABS piping was taken out as required when furnace was replace. Also installed a new concentric vent where one hole to outside instead of two pipes. Made sure contractor install a tag that the furnace was installed by qualified people. The stove is new where bought over summer. There is a lot of wood in the back of house as ash trees were cut down as the ash beetle was a problem. A double wall special vent pipe was used as higher temperatures where less chance of creosote.

A EPA wood insert it maybe possible to heat a entire house as the heat output is much greater then fireplace. There is lot more safety as the flames are behind the glass. If you live in country that has carbon tax on natural gas, gasoline, heating oil and propane then the option is to minimize. Skids are free along can find free wood. On electricity there is also a 13 per cent harmonized tax. I will continue to spray foam where the moldy fiber glass insulation is going out. Every year the house requires less heat as more air tight. Renovating lower bathroom where there are seven inch studs where installing 7 inches of solid board insulation. I can feel the difference already. The wall goes into garage where the garage is not as warm but the bathroom is warmer. If ever a power failure will be heat house and cook with natural gas stove as can light burners. --99.236.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 6, 2022 6:45 AM
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You’re probably right Ken. --24.152.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jan 6, 2022 8:28 AM
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Only place I know that banned wood many years ago, possibly the 80’s, was Telluride CO.I think it was because it was a boxed in canyon with no where for the smoke to go. Unless it had to do with limiting fire damage due to lack of resources to fight it. --75.67.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 6, 2022 8:40 AM
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High of 12 on Tuesday and a low of seven on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. Looks like I’m going to have to bring a good pile of wood in over the weekend. --24.152.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Jan 6, 2022 2:30 PM
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We have a wood stove. Much as I hate the ash and pieces of bark all over the place, I really appreciate the savings in electric and propane. We've had several ice and snow events where out power was out for as many as five days, but we were warm and our pipes didn't come close to freezing. I would nhate to lose my hubby's favorite firm of exercise, too --98.115.xxx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 6, 2022 3:04 PM
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That's exactly what we need, more government regulation. After all, they do such a good job at fixing things. --73.120.xx.xxx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 8:04 PM
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Sooo Arron, what will you do when they come after fuel oil?

As for working at McDonalds, you'd rather come home smelling like like grease and pickles? Ask me how I know.

First they came for wood stoves... don't think the fascists will stop there.

--72.231.xxx.xx




Semi O/T Wood Stove Ban (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2022 8:06 PM
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I'm with you Wilma... love to spend the day with hubby splitting and stacking. Then a dip in the hot tub. --72.231.xxx.xx



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