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I guess Istilldon't under (by Hollis [MA]) Dec 7, 2021 8:24 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 7, 2021 8:28 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 7, 2021 8:33 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 7, 2021 8:37 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by DJ [VA]) Dec 7, 2021 8:53 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 7, 2021 9:01 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Dec 7, 2021 9:43 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Dec 7, 2021 9:44 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Dec 7, 2021 9:49 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Robert J [CA]) Dec 8, 2021 12:00 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by P.B. [MI]) Dec 8, 2021 2:45 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by MAP [NY]) Dec 8, 2021 7:50 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Dec 8, 2021 7:55 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 7:58 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 8:01 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 8:06 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Dec 8, 2021 8:06 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 8:07 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Dec 8, 2021 8:14 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 8:16 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 8:41 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Richard [MI]) Dec 8, 2021 8:47 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 8:59 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Dee Ann [WI]) Dec 8, 2021 9:48 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Dec 8, 2021 10:18 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Dec 8, 2021 10:23 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 10:31 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Scott [IN]) Dec 8, 2021 10:39 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Roy [AL]) Dec 8, 2021 10:43 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Dec 8, 2021 12:30 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 1:02 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by WMH [NC]) Dec 8, 2021 2:02 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Allym [NJ]) Dec 8, 2021 2:38 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by S i d [MO]) Dec 8, 2021 4:10 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 5:58 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Robin [WI]) Dec 8, 2021 6:38 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 8, 2021 6:52 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Bohemia [IL]) Dec 8, 2021 8:56 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Dec 8, 2021 9:57 PM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Dec 9, 2021 11:03 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Dec 9, 2021 11:08 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by GKARL [PA]) Dec 9, 2021 11:24 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Dec 9, 2021 11:25 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Dec 9, 2021 11:40 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Dec 9, 2021 11:43 AM
       I guess Istilldon't under (by Yvonne [KS]) Dec 16, 2021 1:03 PM


I guess Istilldon't under (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 8:24 PM
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I guess I still don't understand,...

I guess it still don't understand. We try to keep our apts up. ,..In one of our apartments, it needs a new bathroom floor. We called over 30 flooring people, carpenters, handymen, etc. reaching out to more than 50 miles. I think days later we got three calls back. Those said "call us back in the spring".We do have a good reputation of prompt payments

All over this town I see signs of help wanted. Many are even offering a pretty good bonus to people signing up,..Our drugstore recently has closed on Sundays because they can't get coverage to run it that day. I called five fence companies to replace about 200 feet of fencing. No calls back yet. Then I called people who advertise replacement windows including Window World. Well Window World is one that did call us back ,..eventually,..and said the job was too small for them to do it. Five windows in one apartment.

The same thing with putting down rugs in apartments, also replacing a blacktop driveway. I never had any problems getting people to work for us. As I said I don't understand what has happened, I understand there was government money for a while, but I believe that has ended for the most part. What are people doing for money? I understand they want more money for their work but how are they surviving on nothing right now?

I don't think its just a local problem,.. I go to other sites and they are complaining, , more or less of the same

I think the American work ethic has greatly changed and it may never be the same. But again, maybe I just don't understand things. --66.30.xx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 8:28 PM
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Laziness, plus people being paid to stay home. Plus all the bra nd on money being thrown around, a lot of people are fixing up their houses. My good contractors are slammed! They have been slammed. I have been helping my one electrician lately because heís so backed up with work. Window world that we usually use is out 3 to 4 months. We have been doing windows ourselves. DIY wins again. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 8:33 PM
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This is good reason to push young people into the trades to start. An organized plumber or electrician or drywaller could rival the income of a doctor or lawyer these days. Possibly easily surpass. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 8:37 PM
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Add into that material shortages and staffing shortages. I had to wait several weeks for trex to be delivered this summer. Also, our HVAC company (top $ big guys)who handles all of our furnaces are booked out six weeks for maintenance. Usually all my systems are serviced by October. I have some that arenít even going to be done until next month. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 8:53 PM
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Yup - same problem I posted about in "won't do job".

You can't even get to a quote - they don't want the work for any price.

It's very frustrating. --68.229.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 9:01 PM
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I just texted one of my go-to roofers, heís up to $500/sq for tear off and re-roof for shingles. Owens Corning. He said heís doing 1-2 roofs a week and people are paying his prices. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 9:43 PM
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Governments listened to the extreme left wing advocacy groups where the extended unemployment benefits are damaging to the overall economy where now is the time to end those generous benefits then that force people to go out then find employment. Suppose that free for all then what would happen in a town or city if no one showed up work. In a third world country it is work or get nothing. --99.236.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 9:44 PM
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Aside from employers having a hard time finding help and supply shortages (cream cheeses is running out because they can't get the packaging) covid created this remodeling wave as eveyone moved to new digs or wanted their digs updated since they were there all the time. Contractors not returning calls is nothing new. When they are busy, they don't have to. Asphalt companies got hammered by all the rain in July. Their workers are free now though. My local news had a segment about how if you didn't schedule your snow blower for service in Oct, it wouldn't get service now. One guy's shop had 100 service tickets and was only talking to people who purchased from him. --24.194.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2021 9:49 PM
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This is what I don't get: people won't learn the trades, which pay well, yet they demand a "living wage" for unskilled cashier jobs. --72.188.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 12:00 AM
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A fellow landlord here in a nearby city to Los Angeles has a vacant unit for the past 9 months. He too sings the songs he can't find anyone to do the work. He is lazy and won't go outside is comfort zone -- using his smart phone trying to catch a contractor with nothing else to do, a dreamer.

So I too him and his wife to their rental and had them prep the walls. TSP, wash them down and prime. That only took one day. Then I took them to a Catalina paint store where we found at 7am a dozen guys looking for work. We purchased the paint and supplies. They workers we chose had their on car and supplies (brushes, rollers and ladder). In 2 days they painted apartment, getting a passing grade.

Then I took them to my laminate/hard-wood flooring supplies. We picked out a floor, I had measured, and ordered it. One of the salesman has a brother who is an installed. So on the next weekend we had the flooring installed.

With help I "we" got done in about a week and a half what my landlord friends couldn't do in 9 months.

You go to the right place at the right time and show the workers pictures of the job. A vacant apartment ready for them to work.

Piece meal-ing it saved us 40-50%... --47.155.xx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by P.B. [MI]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 2:45 AM
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We have the same problems in Mi. McDonald's is offering $21.00 per hour. And the work force will get worse.

The gov. is making larger companies fire individuals on Dec. 23rd if they have refused to be vaccinated.

So now, because they believe in their own belief (which I can understand) they will be without work.

I am not sure unemployment will be available for them, but I am sure assistance will be.

I do think that after the firing occurs our work force will be worse than it is now. If people were not lazy before, the gov. is pushing them towards it.

I do not think I will see the end of covid. Not in my lifetime and that really saddens me.

I think it has all been caused by "the little rocket man". Back when the gov. wanted to dispose of native americans the gov. used smallpox, on purpose. This is no different. It was certainly caused by someone and it is working better than any war could. --67.22.x.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 7:50 AM
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And that's why I am sooooo glad my husband is a contractor and can do all those trades by himself (with the help of me) The trades are a dying art--even though, in some cases, they have gotten more simplified (pex, sharkbites, etc as opposed to braising)

His DAD taught him all of his skills which was passed down from HIS dad. Seeing that the gov't and the women's lib movement has gone to great lengths to eradicate the role of fathers in the home, I don't see a ending to this. --72.231.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 7:55 AM
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Why are there so few women in the trades? Is it because of the heavy lifting, or because they are just not accepted?

We see lots of male nurses but almost no women in the trades. And when they are there it is usually part of a husband/wife team. --72.188.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 7:58 AM
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Exactly MAP, thatís why you have to live the old ways. Practicality. Common sense. Tradition. Just because they arenít main stream these days does it mean they arenít needed. People who can maintain them will be invaluable in the future. Some people canít even cook beyond a microwave. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:01 AM
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J, because itís ďequalityĒ until it comes right down to it. Itís equal pay for equal work until you have to dig down 2 feet through frozen dirt and pop the lid off the septic tank to pump it out. Then itís not so much about fairness. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:06 AM
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J & MAP, Letís not forget how overemphasizing the build up of women and the tearing down of men aids in the destruction of the nuclear family as well. Thatís a whole Ďnother topic. My boys get ďdonít be wimpy cuz the world will try to push you around when youíre olderĒ and my girls get ďyou need to learn these things, cuz your babies will need them some dayĒ. Yes, I am a feminists worst nightmare. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:06 AM
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Good point NE but there are lots of women in the military now...don't they do dirty jobs like this in there? So they do do it.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:07 AM
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J, Iím sure they do. Iím talking more in the public sector. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:14 AM
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NE,

I remember my dad railing against those TV ads that make men and husbands look like fools...and that was decades ago. I think that stuff started in the '70s. --72.188.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:16 AM
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J, you are probably right. 50 years of weakening the American male and look around. This is what we get. Soy boys and man buns. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:41 AM
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J, I often joke with my wife and tell her when the Covid restrictions ďofficiallyĒ end, I am going to make her start complying with them. She must wear a mask in public, stand where I tell her in the stores. She canít visit her family or friends until I give her permission. Itís accepted now by many, but if I kept it going one day longer than the media permits it, I would instantly became a toxic male. Interesting how that works, isnít it? Justified now, but abusive later. Whatís the saying? Oh what tangled webs we weave? --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:47 AM
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One of the problems I've noticed is that we, as a society, have been told for years now to use the "Easy Button". Remember those tv ads with the big red easy button? Add to that the constantly telling the younger people that they can only be successful if they get a college degree. Then they go to college and are told that blue collar work and actual labor are beneath them. They are better than that. So those that actually get through it come out with a huge debt load and most get jobs that pay too little to support modern costs. So they get told to complain that wages are not fair but they are not given any info on economics. I hear it all the time. "I deserve xx per hour because I want/need it", not because I'm worth it.

You're right about tradesmen making as much as doctors. At the rate it's going tradesmen will be a new rich class. --75.7.xx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:59 AM
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Richard, one of the guys I use and helped get started made $500,000 last year. When he first started with me, he was driving a rotted out Jeep Grand Cherokee that barely ran. He would do anything for me, fill the dumpster, demo nasty drywall, rip out urine soaked carpets. Now he runs his own crew of 8-10 guys and is so busy, I can barely get him. Good for him. --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 9:48 AM
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I was at a big box supply store the other day. Remembering the LL suggestions from a MR LL ZOOM meeting.

So when I saw a van and a man putting putting in a new water heater in it I asked him if he was a plumber. Turns out he does everything and works with others if it is a larger job, such as a bathroom build or remodel.

I asked and got his card. Didn't need anyone immediately, but will have it for a couple upcoming moves. Wish me luck! --176.113.xx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 10:18 AM
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I've never seen any out-of-work people hoping for a day job standing around in front of HD or the paint store, or anywhere else. That maybe is a Southern California thing?

I don't know what people are living on. I can't get any work done, and the once reliable places can't get workers. I called in August for furnace annual check-ups and my appointments are in January, they were booked that far out. It was three months wait to get a vet appointment for my dog to get a vaccination. One vet isn't taking any new clients because they can't get workers.

As for women in the trades, the company that does my painting is owned by a woman and she and her kids do the painting. Not the best painter I've ever used, but she shows up on schedule and works. --76.178.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 10:23 AM
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In areas where rent is free and the government is still handing out checks, I understand why some people won't work. But rent has not been free in Idaho and I'm pretty sure only the nice big checks for having a child are the only ones still being handed out.

And still there are no workers. Lots of businesses have help wanted signs up, paying good wages and sign up bonuses. Some places have had to cut their hours because they can't get workers.

Those are easy indoor jobs, not hard heavy construction and no one will do them.

What are all those people who won't work doing for income? --76.178.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 10:31 AM
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there was a political party that wanted to increase the min wage to $15/hour. Being unable to do it in a traditional sense, you can always backdoor the plan by having federal unemployment assistance and sure enough in Pa, the wage for NOT working was $15.13/hour.

Guess not that much thought went into what happens after the fact though. --24.101.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 10:39 AM
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Ray, the government never seems to be aware of the unintended consequences of their actions --107.141.xx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 10:43 AM
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If McDonalds is offering $21.00/hour, I will go down and apply for that job. Not long ago, the only employers here that were paying anything over $18.00 were union type jobs. --71.207.xxx.x




I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 12:30 PM
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There are definitely women interested in the trades. I provided trades training a long time ago to a new york organization. The women had static coming at them from all sides. Society telling them they are inferior to men, their own family's scoffing at them and dead on resistance from the men in the trades they were trying to enter, and then there are the types who try to keep women down by telling them that their place is in the kitchen (which by the way includes short sighted 'christians' and the taliban).

NE, I worked with volunteers doing landscape construction for 20 years. The women were ALWAYS more eager, had a get 'er done attitude and did the hard work. They guys would do it but they had less gumption and sometimes less determination. It comes down to, women care about things and men don't. --24.194.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 1:02 PM
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Landscaping is making things pretty. A lot different than snaking a blocked drain line that splashes back in your face. --174.198.xx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 2:02 PM
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In NC landscaping is hot, heavy, dangerous work. Besides the heat and humidity, we have evil snakes too. I hate landscaping work.

But poop? Women deal with poop all their lives, from pet poop to baby poop to adult parent poop. Cleaning up after a toddler who decorated his entire crib, the wall, his hair and face with his own poop ON A REGULAR BASIS: priceless. He did grow up to be an artist though so that's something. :) Poop's nothing. --50.82.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 2:38 PM
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Guv mint is handing out $300 per child to the "right" people. They know who is R or D and who voted R or D. I had a call from a newspaper who looked up my voting and wanted to know why I stopped contributing to the T campaign. I stopped because Winred had put the donation amount on my credit card 4 time and used up what I had budgeted for that. Everyone knows how we vote. So when the guv mint hands out rent payments, or welfare or unemployment they can skip the people who are Rs or who voted R. But they pay it out to the D's and if there are a couple of kids pulling in $300 a month per head, you don't think the dad or mom is going to go to work do you? And I am sure they lie about how many kids. What a boondoggle. And then of course they are all smoking the legal weed. --108.24.xx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 4:10 PM
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I was thinking about the effects of the practical (not the legal) minimum wage. In my area, Wal-Mart and McyD's are paying $15-$18 to start, so that by default is the minimum wage if you want someone who will show up sober most of the time.

2000 hours a year (full time, 2 weeks off) at that rate is $30,000-$36,0000 year, and it requires no training, no experience, no responsibility other than "show up, do what you're told." When the clock strikes quittin' time, you punch out and leave and don't think about work one minute until your next shift.

The median salary for a software developer with a 4 year degree in my town is about $55,000 - $60,000 annually. You are expected to be prompt, professionally dressed, and be on call after hours if the system goes down. True, you get an overall better benefits package, but you also pay more in taxes and don't qualify for a lot of freebies low income folks get.

Working a no-brainer, base level job has some appeal. Why bother putting in more effort, time, and taking responsibility when you can just coast? My guess is the trades are starting to feel similar: why go out there and grind 60-80 hours a week and have upset people pestering you all the time when you can just cherry pick the jobs you want and live okay on a moderate income? --108.230.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 5:58 PM
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Changing a poopy diaper vs crawling through a dirt crawl space on your belly in the freezing winter time to snake a line plugged with tampons, poo and chicken bones is a different story. But youíre welcome to join me! --24.152.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 6:38 PM
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For the record, NE, I spent the better part of an afternoon last week in a crawl space running new plumbing lines, because my regular guy couldn't fit. Fortunately there was minimal spillage from the lines I cut out! I think the fact that not many women choose to snake plumbing lines filled with disgusting unmentionables has a lot to say about their common sense. --174.96.xx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 6:52 PM
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Well done Robin. But it doesnít mean that the man is stupid or lacks common sense because he will do it either. --174.198.xx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Bohemia [IL]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 8:56 PM
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I run a factory and at job fair after job fair we try to recruit both sexes for the production jobs. When I ask women why they aren't interested in factory jobs, they say they don't want to get dirty or work in the heat.

So yeah, in this day and age, we've still got plenty of gender (self) segregation. --75.129.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2021 9:57 PM
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I supervised the construction of playgrounds, parks and community greenspace and provided hands on carpentry and labor experience to the women learning trades. Making a space pretty is the last 20% of a project. The rest is construction, masonry, carpentry and other trades. One year my funding was capital dollars and I earned union wages and had 5 separate job titles. Between the prevailing wage and the benefit some of the hours clocked in at almost $80/hr.

As for wages the WSJ has an article today about how Amazon is the new benchmark in communities where they are present. They drain the talent pool from surrounding businesses and then the rest have to raise wages and try to compete for the remaining workers.

Hollis, there is definitely a generation that doesn't want to work for the 'man' and didn't drink the homeownership koolaid. To them life needs balance and they are not honing the grindstone like those before them. They don't want to be another cog in the machine. --24.194.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2021 11:03 AM
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Yesterday, I received a beautifully shiny professionally done postcard in the mail. I glanced at it and thought it was yet another "we buy houses", but no. It's a postcard looking for workers for what I suspect must be a sawmill. Good pay, sign-up bonus, full benefits, and retirement.

There are businesses advertising on the television looking for workers. --76.178.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2021 11:08 AM
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[[[[....... A lot different than snaking a blocked drain line that splashes back in your face.......]]]]]]

And your point is what, NE? You can't get any women to do that job? Well, I can't get any men to do that job, either. The male plumbing company that charges $100 an hour refused to crawl under a mobil home and fix a pinhole in a PEX water line. The men refuse to do dirty jobs, too.

It doesn't matter much whether the workers are male or female, they aren't available.

Although, I confess to a bit of surprise when I went into the local restaurant supply who had been advertising for months to find workers and they are now fully staffed and all the workers are female. So maybe women are more willing to work, even at a job where the requirement is to be able to lift 50 pounds. --76.178.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2021 11:24 AM
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It's very hard to find people. I lucked up and found a guy the other day when he was working across the street on a renovation. He was looking for work because the investor he was previously working for is starting to slow down. I put him on a renovation of a small bathroom in the rooming house immediately and plan on continuing to work with him on other work just to keep him busy and available to me. --209.122.xx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2021 11:25 AM
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I disagree with the statement made that landscaping is dangerous work. It is hard work but no more dangerous than many other occupations. --172.58.xxx.xxx




I guess Istilldon't under (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2021 11:40 AM
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My point is is that they arenít going to line up for the less glamorous work even though it may pay more. --174.198.xx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2021 11:43 AM
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I'd make one other observation about labor, there are less immigrants legal and otherwise that typically take the strain off of the food service and hospitality industry. Have you seen less guys looking for work in the box store parking lot too?

J, I agree that landscaping is not dangerous per se but I was almost run over by a car that crashed through a fence and a bullet whizzed by me and hit a woman 15 feet away. --24.194.xxx.xx




I guess Istilldon't under (by Yvonne [KS]) Posted on: Dec 16, 2021 1:03 PM
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J, I am also discouraged about the lack of females working in the trades. My daughter is 23 and has training in woodworking and construction. She was hired on a construction team and she and the only other female on the crew were assigned to sweep floors daily. Even the other males didn't understand why their time was wasted sweeping floors. After a few months my daughter got discouraged and left the job because, even though she was being paid the same as the male employees, she wanted to get more actual construction experience to further her career. The trades need all the workers they can get, male and female, and hopefully the norm is not to have those interested in the field to be pushed out as she has been. --70.184.xxx.xx





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