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Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 2, 2021 1:14 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by P.B. [MI]) Dec 2, 2021 1:26 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 2, 2021 1:40 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by dino [CA]) Dec 2, 2021 1:41 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by DJ [VA]) Dec 2, 2021 1:49 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Jason [VA]) Dec 2, 2021 1:54 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Richard [MI]) Dec 2, 2021 1:59 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 2, 2021 2:16 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Lana [IN]) Dec 2, 2021 2:22 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by S i d [MO]) Dec 2, 2021 2:22 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Robert J [CA]) Dec 2, 2021 2:31 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 2, 2021 4:07 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Ken [NY]) Dec 2, 2021 4:13 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Dec 2, 2021 4:37 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 2, 2021 5:43 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by PG [SC]) Dec 2, 2021 6:01 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by 6x6 [TN]) Dec 2, 2021 6:30 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by WL [CA]) Dec 2, 2021 8:56 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Dec 2, 2021 9:18 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Dec 2, 2021 10:39 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 3, 2021 7:33 AM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 3, 2021 8:56 AM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Lana [IN]) Dec 3, 2021 10:43 AM
       Tenant with Dementia (by plenty [MO]) Dec 3, 2021 11:05 AM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Ken [NY]) Dec 3, 2021 11:19 AM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 3, 2021 1:17 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Ken [NY]) Dec 3, 2021 2:25 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Lana [IN]) Dec 3, 2021 3:33 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Dec 3, 2021 4:56 PM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Colleen [FL]) Dec 4, 2021 11:46 AM
       Tenant with Dementia (by Colleen [FL]) Dec 4, 2021 11:54 AM

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Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:14 PM
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6 months ago, I rented a house to an elderly man who was in the early stages of Dementia. His ex-wife, who actually lives on the same street that he does, has been handling his financial affairs and making sure his rent gets paid on 1st. Things are changing now.

His ex-wife called this morning and said she is getting tired of baby-sitting her ex husband and needs to finds someone who can handle his financial affairs and there does not seem to be anyone else in her immediate family willing to do this.

So, what do people do in a situation like this? If you were losing your marbles, would you trust anyone outside your family to handle your financial affairs? --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by P.B. [MI]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:26 PM
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I would talk to the X and ask if she can arrange a direct withdrawal on his account paid directly to you, each month. You may need to talk to his banking institution along with the x to have this arranged, but it would definitely be worth the effort.

--67.22.x.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:40 PM
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P.B.

6 months ago, I made an appointment with his bank manager and tried to set-up an automatic direct withdrawal like you suggested. His bank is a very small independent hick-town bank that does not do any kind of automatic transfers. Any electronic transfer of funds would have to be initiated by my tenant first which I was trying to avoid. And my tenant's dementia has progressed further since then so something needs to be done soon. My tenant brings in over $4,000 /month in retirement income so lack of money is not problem here. --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by dino [CA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:41 PM
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A conservator can be appointed by the court. There are costs typically. Check with the county or other level of govt as to whether they have an agency to deal with such things. It might be called the public administrator. Be prepared though for such an agency to be very slow and with more work than the case worker can handle.

--76.171.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:49 PM
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Does this man have no family - children, grandchildren, siblings, anybody?

If not, then a public social worker may need to get involved to look out for his best interests, through the court.

Possibly contact the local Administration on Aging, so they can investigate --68.229.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:54 PM
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As far as payment, why reinvent the wheel? Clearnow.

Regarding his general well being, I would respectfully ask whomever his keeper is to contact a social worker. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 1:59 PM
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Court can appoint someone to handle this.

Here's a story about stuff like this:

Back in the 50's or 60's I think, there was a little old lady who who had a boarding house that catered to old retired guys, some with dementia no doubt. One day, a relative of one of these guys asked about him and was,I think, told he had moved away. This relative checked and found his ss check was still going to the house and called the cops. You can guess the rest. As I recall, they dug up 9 bodies just in the back yard. I don't know about the rest of the property.

So, Roy, you've got an opportunity here. You could maybe get yourself appointed to handle his affairs and get a very long term tenant out of this deal. /;).

Best idea is likely let the court handle it.

--75.7.xx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 2:16 PM
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I just got off the phone with one of the local attorneys I deal with. I gave him my tenant's ex-wife's name and number. Setting up a conservatorship is solution here and there is a legal process involved here. First, a doctor will examine the tenant and if the doctor says in writing that he is incompetent, then the judge will approve a conservatorship to whomever the ex-wife chooses.

This is not going to end well though. 6 months ago, the ex gave me a personal promise that she would be making sure his rent got paid on the 1st and so far that has been the case. Now she wants to bail on me. --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 2:22 PM
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Not a good situation. Unsupervised people with dementia frequently tinker with stoves and furnaces, not to mention fecal blowouts and ruined carpet. I have my stage 4 demented mother in a double wide about a 100 feet from my house.

I have hospice and outside home health aides, and she needs constant supervision. Her stove has a gas cutoff, as I found

all her burners clicking one day in a propane filled house.

The demented are dangerous to your unit. Unfortunately, this type of person is also vulnerable to financial abuse by the guardianship process. I would recommend to the x-wife that she get the courts and any family involved and try to aim for nursing home placement. You will soon find having him unsupervised in your unit impossible. --216.23.xxx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 2:22 PM
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Oi weh....a separated couple, one with a known mental illness that is only going to get worse... my buddy, my friend.... WHY?!?!

*grins ... No worries, we can still hoist brews.

Anyway, I think one detail we need clarified first is do you have a LEASE or is it M2M, and WHO SIGNED IT?

Any lease signed by someone lacking full mental ability can be declared null and void. And if ex-wife didn't have Power of Attorney for him, then anything she signed on his behalf is meaningless, unless it's in her name and she's responsible. In that case, it doesn't matter how "tired she is of babysitting." She signed up for it, so babysit she shall, or she (and he) shall be evicted if the terms are not adhered to.

I see where Richard is coming from, and I think he's tongue-in-cheek on that advice. I would not want to get involved in this person's life. You already have a business relationship that demonstrates your have a financial interest that may not be in the tenant's best interest, which rules you out of any fiduciary role. I could see court battles if someone decides you were overcharging him on rent.

Best bet is give notice of non-renewal and help him find a new place. He will soon (1-3 years) need much more help that you will be capable of providing. People with dementia need constant supervision as they don't think of things like turning off the stove or the water and can wander off and/or hurt themselves easily.

--108.230.xxx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 2:31 PM
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I purchased an apartment building with one apartment rented to an elderly lady, in her late 80's. Another tenant who lived at the property as long as she did, over 30 years, looked after her. Then a few years later the tenant got admitted to the hospital and went full Dementia. Could never live on her own ever again.

No one new what to do. So I petitioned the court to allow the other tenant to look after her affairs. She had no one else left alive to look after things. So my other tenant cleaned out the apartment and made donations to local charities.

Then a couple of years later a taxi turns up at the front door of the complex, it's the old lady tenant with Dementia, gone away. She was discharged from her care facility and given cab fair.

Since her unit was rented to someone else for the past 2 years, she was forced to find a new rental. She went back on section 8. Six months later her Dementia returned, went into the hospital and then passed away.

Had I not gotten the courts permission and someone to handle her affairs, I would have been on the hook for this mess. --47.155.xx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 4:07 PM
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Sid,

My tenant does have an adult daughter living with him who grocery shops, cooks meals, laundry etc. According to the ex-wife, this daughter is not good with money and should not be trusted with financial issues.

6 months ago, I had reservations about renting to this man, however, his ex-wife was there at the MTM leasing signing and she assured me she would make sure his rent got paid which she has done,...so far. Because the tenant/ex husband treats his ex wife with such disrespect, she told me she wants out of this.

I will call the ex-wife and tells her this: I will evict your ex husband if the rent is not paid. After this, your ex husband will either be homeless OR will be camping out on your front doorstep. So, you are going to have to deal with your ex one way or another whether you like it or not.

--71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 4:13 PM
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For all you know the daughter is fine and the x wife is just a nosy busybody.She should have been put on the lease originally but too late at this point.Either the rent gets paid or it doesnt and you proceed accordingly.With an adult daughter in the house just tell her you get paid or they get evicted,you are going to too much effort for something that isnt even a problem yet --72.231.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 4:37 PM
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I'd say I predict trouble ahead. Can you cancel current lease and replace with month-to-month with his name, his ex wife's, and daughter's so you can have one or two,legally sane signers of the lease?

Once he's proven mentally incapable doesn't that void your lease? --108.69.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 5:43 PM
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LOF,

No need to cancel anything yet,..no crime has been committed yet. He is on a MTM lease. I have heard from the ex wife that his utilities have not been paid in 2 months and it just a matter of time before those get shut-off.

Ken,

As a LL, I believe in advance planning. When I hear of potential problem on the horizon, I start making contingency plans just in case SHTF which it will eventually if the ex old lady does not cooperate with me. --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 6:01 PM
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For the last several years I have dealt with family members who have Alzheimer's diagnosed by a Doctor and other members who had memory issues that left them unable to balance a check book or pay bills.

Not sure if you have talked to the tenant and the daughter. Auto-draft is the short term solution for the rent. Long term I would try to talk them out of the house, because Alzheimer's and or memory issues will only get worse.

Conservatorship, POA, Trustee identification for estate affairs may take months to set up.

If it helps, please note, Early stages Alzheimer's/Dementia patients do have Moments of full cognizant ability.

--184.20.xxx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 6:30 PM
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The neighbor I had a few years ago was getting dementia. He started running into everything with his car. One day he was out painting his bumpers and went to move his car. The next thing I know, he is running completely over my magnolia tree, almost hit my house, but had enough thought to turn the wheel and headed down my driveway where I was leaf blowing and would have hit me, if I had not seen him coming. I had been watching carefully. I am glad he is gone.

Whatever you do, do not become this man's POA. --73.120.xx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 8:56 PM
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Watch the "I Care A Lot" trailer on Youtube. Shark conservators and guardians are notorious for bleeding their clients dry. BTW, there is a new Alzheimer medicine available as a generic. Potential new treatment for Alzheimer's disease would be relatively cheap (Diazoxide (generic Proglycem))

Medical XPress / Molecular Psychiatry / RIKEN Center for Brain Science (CBS) in Japan ^ | Nov. 30, 2021 | Naoto Watamura et al

Researchers have discovered that the protein Ī-endosulfine (ENSA) is involved in the development of Alzheimer's disease. Studies in mice showed that eliminating this protein entirely or using drugs to block its function reduced physical changes in the brain associated with the disease and improved memory. Drug therapy that aims to block ENSA activity could be a more effective treatment than what is currently available, as well as being cheaper.

--91.196.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 9:18 PM
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Roy,

Good, important post!

Urgent! #1! Increase the insurance on the home!! Fire is around the corner.

Timing: In three weeks my Grandma went from a little forgetful to strapped in a wheelchair, not recognizing anyone and babbling incoherently. ďOK nowĒ could last for years or just a few weeks.

With his good income he might be able to move into a care home for his own safety. They cover everything so no bills to pay.

NO ONE likes to make big life decisions.

Ex and Daughter should have Power of Attorney. POA is just a form from online and he signs in front of a Notary. Done.

Overall get ready for a bumpy ride. As others have said tnis will get worse, not stay the same. The exís proclamation is just the beginning.

We help a friend by paying her bills and itís getting worse. She forgets we are HELPING. She has started accusing us of stealing and her family believes her, not the monthly printout we give her.

A family member walked her into the first atty door they found. The atty charged her $600 to ask to see that printout. So we paid that pointless bill from her bare bones account.

Belligerent, argumentative, feisty is a normal sign of dementia. --73.102.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2021 10:39 PM
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Maybe its just me, but I think many people rent to people with Dementia

They forget to pay rent --24.101.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 7:33 AM
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Thanks Brad20K,

When I first met at my tenant 6 months ago, I did not even realize he had dementia. He and I had several conversations and at the time he seemed a completely normal 75 year old man who had retired from 30 years in the Navy. It was his ex-wife who did most of the talking and it through her I learned of his early stage of dementia. As a precaution though, I made sure she was on board for future help and why I insisted this be a Month to Month arrangement.

If I were to call my insurance company and ask for more coverage, they would suspect something sinister was going on and would probably just cancel my policy. It would be like trying to increase my coverage during a hurricane or a tornado. You just have to ride it out. --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 8:56 AM
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Sid and others,

The 'house' in this post is not actually a real house but my only SW mobile home that is located in a Class D residential hood of mostly foundation built houses. This is NOT an F hood, but a solid D hood where a lot of trashy white people live. The reason I am telling you all this is because for the last 12 years, trying to find a decent tenant for this MH has been challenging to say the least. Not impossible, but just challenging. Class D hoods is where you have to learn how to separate the 'wheat from the chaff' and in D hoods, there is always a ton of chaff and not much wheat.

In retrospect, 6 months ago after taking 10 applications from mostly worthless deadbeats, my elderly 75 year old applicant with $4K in guaranteed retirement income was the only 'wheat' that was available at the time. So, I rented to him. And no different than any other tenant of mine, if things don't work out, I evict them and then move on to the next tenant. Rinse and repeat.

I am just trying to justify my actions 6 months ago. I think Sid wants to take me to gallows over my decision to rent to this person 6 months ago. --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 10:43 AM
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Roy, dementia can change a lot in 6 months. The only warning you had was the ex-wife, however, the closest persons/caregivers tend to pick it up first. --216.23.xxx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 11:05 AM
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While the x is still paying the bills, ask to be paid a few months in advance to allow time for the transition to happen. Suggest she pay utility bills this way too, with a credit. --172.58.xxx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 11:19 AM
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I still think you need to give the daughter a chance,she is probably no worse than any other D tenant probably.When you call your insurance agent if they ask why you want an increase just tell them with 12% inflation this year and for 3 more years probably you are just trying to increase it to make up for higher replacement costs for materials and labor,they should accept that no problem --72.231.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 1:17 PM
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Ken,

Today I had a sit-down talk with the ex wife AND the daughter also. I told them that if the January rent is not paid, I will post a 30 day Notice to Vacate on the tenant's door. They completely understood. The ex wife told me today her ex husband's bank account is over-drawn and for the time being her ex (or my tenant) is flat broke,..at least until January 1st rolls around. In the last 6 months, the water service has been disconnected once for non-payment and it is about to happen again. Rent has been paid, so that is that. Stay tuned for more drama in January. --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 2:25 PM
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Why a 30 day notice? cant you issue an eviction notice for 3 days or 5 days or something like that for non payment? --72.231.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 3:33 PM
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4K per month and utilities not paid? This is a sign of financial elder abuse. Lots of people are willing to care for an elderly person's finances in a family by my experience. The money is going somewhere it should not. --216.23.xxx.xx




Tenant with Dementia (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2021 4:56 PM
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Lana,

I agree with you. My tenant is the only person that can legally access his own bank account which he uses a debit card for. Each month he withdraws large sums of cash which he keeps in his wallet. After that, I do not know how he spends his money and in his mental state, he does not even remember from day to day where he spends his money.

Ken,

On my last eviction (November), the judge threw it out of court because I accepted rent money AFTER filing the court papers and 3 days before the court date. And you were the one who correctly predicted this would happen. I would like to avoid that situation from happening again! --71.207.xxx.x




Tenant with Dementia (by Colleen [FL]) Posted on: Dec 4, 2021 11:46 AM
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Iím with Lana. Best for you and tenant is to have his family arrange for a nursing home ASAP. It can take sometimes so limit yourself to a period as you have MTM. I would not have this take more than 3 months as condition get worse .. Such person eventually (soon) canít be left alone at all if not already.

I had my mother friend who used to share a room at my parents stayed at one of our properties as a tenant as my parents are helpless now. She felt one day. I had to get her to hospital, communication with staff and doctors, rehab. I took her in temporary when released but behind in doing paperwork for a nursing home. She felt again 1-1/2 yrs later so I had her go to a nursing home after hospital release. Since I have done 2x extensive paperwork for Medicaid application. It is still up in the air. Iím afraid if paperwork will be ongoing.

In the meantime, I have my dementia mother who lives with us so as my handicap brother. I have a caregiver visits a few times a week as a companion, converse, and walking outdoor, as I work. We have to put up gates and locks bc she would do things that compromise her health. A person of such conditions canít be left alone so that is my brotherís part.

Best wishes!

--108.28.xxx.xxx




Tenant with Dementia (by Colleen [FL]) Posted on: Dec 4, 2021 11:54 AM
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Just now read the financial broke part. It seems as if the family wanted you to assume the responsibility after they maximize their benefits, wanted to walk out, and his broke. Is the ex on your Lease Agreement? End this lease so as unlimited future responsibilities. --108.28.xxx.xxx



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