OT-Salvation Army (by Bill [NC]) Nov 25, 2021 10:26 AM|
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Nov 25, 2021 10:28 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by Bill [NC]) Nov 25, 2021 10:36 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by Richard [MI]) Nov 25, 2021 10:52 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by MAP [NY]) Nov 25, 2021 11:23 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Nov 25, 2021 11:29 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Nov 25, 2021 11:40 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 25, 2021 11:50 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Nov 25, 2021 11:55 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by Tony [NJ]) Nov 25, 2021 12:10 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Richard [MI]) Nov 25, 2021 12:28 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by MAP [NY]) Nov 25, 2021 12:33 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Jesus [NM]) Nov 25, 2021 12:37 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 25, 2021 1:57 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Bill [NC]) Nov 25, 2021 2:29 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by #22 [MO]) Nov 25, 2021 2:43 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by melinda [MD]) Nov 25, 2021 7:47 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 25, 2021 8:06 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 25, 2021 8:38 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by J [FL]) Nov 25, 2021 9:15 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Small potatoes [NY]) Nov 25, 2021 10:23 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Steve [MA]) Nov 26, 2021 7:05 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by WMH [NC]) Nov 26, 2021 6:00 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Nov 26, 2021 6:10 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Alan [CA]) Nov 27, 2021 12:54 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 27, 2021 10:00 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 27, 2021 11:56 AM
OT-Salvation Army (by mike [CA]) Nov 27, 2021 12:10 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by WMH [NC]) Nov 27, 2021 2:11 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Nov 27, 2021 2:32 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Sparky [PA]) Nov 27, 2021 7:58 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Tony [NJ]) Nov 29, 2021 12:37 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Tony [NJ]) Nov 29, 2021 12:40 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by W [CA]) Nov 29, 2021 5:53 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 30, 2021 5:53 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by John [NJ]) Dec 6, 2021 1:05 PM
OT-Salvation Army (by Bill [NC]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 10:26 AM
Just read on the Drudge Report that the Salvation Army wants you to apologize for being "white" when you drop coins in their kettles outside of any business that allows them to be there.
I have made my last donation to the Salvation Army.
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 10:28 AM
Get woke go broke. If you want to puke in your thanksgiving day gravy, turn on the thanksgiving day parade. I had to leave the living room. Better off staring out the window at the birds. --24.152.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Bill [NC]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 10:36 AM
I told the local "fish wrapper" that I was not renewing because everything they published was all the things caucasiians should apologize for.
I told them to get their revenue from the people of color.
Wonder how long before they go out of business. --75.138.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 10:52 AM
I have donated to the SA for many years as I agreed with what they were doing.
This turn for them is disgusting.
Not another cent. Not another second of my time.
To them or to anyone or any group that does this. --75.7.xx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 11:23 AM
I stopped watching the parade last year when it was pathetically woke. I think I lasted five minutes. --72.231.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 11:29 AM
Well, Happy Thanksgiving to you guys! Stay steadfast in your tradition and pass it on to the little ones. --24.152.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 11:40 AM
Salvation Army is a church and I never donate to any church that I don't belong to, (with the exception of St Vinnie's thrift store)
I'm not seeing any of this "great good" that the Salvation Army is doing. At least with St Vinnies, what they raise goes to locals in need and they aren't paying high priced "administration", they are volunteers working there.
All I'm seeing the SA do is to collect free stuff to sell and collect donations and they underpay a couple of handicapped people below minimum wage. They make enough money to build some really nice stores and headquarters. I'm not interested in helping them build some fancy buildings for their own use or to help pay for expensive administrators. --76.178.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 11:50 AM
NE, what did you see in the parade? --73.120.xx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 11:55 AM
6x6, pretty much what I expected to. --24.152.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 12:10 PM
Bill - tried to find this story and even searched Drudge but couldn't find it. --73.215.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 12:28 PM
You likely won't see the story on channels like drudge or the main channels. Look on other places like gateway. --75.7.xx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 12:33 PM
or the libertydaily --72.231.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Jesus [NM]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 12:37 PM
I’ve read it on several sites. Here’s one. h t t p s : / / tennesseestar.com/2021/11/25/along-with-coins-this-christmas-salvation-army-wants-white-donors-to-offer-a-sincere-apology-for-their-racism/ --73.40.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 1:57 PM
Instead of giving money to charity to feed or cloth the homeless, I'd rather rent out a Food Truck or Deliver piles of cloths to a Homeless Camp with many tents. For $500 I can feed or cloth (used) everyone, while the professional operations will spend Thousands on salary's and only 10% on the people the charity was designed to help.
OT-Salvation Army (by Bill [NC]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 2:29 PM
It is still on the Drudge Report 2021 in the middle of the page about 3-4 reports down. --75.138.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 2:43 PM
Lib media sleeping on the story, but I was able to source it elsewhere. I didn't like them a lot before, this seals the deal... id heard years back they are still holding a lot of 9/11 money.... makes no sense but heck w this woke nonsense. --174.209.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 7:47 PM
Just read the article. Thanks for sharing this with us. Whats next?? --24.233.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 8:06 PM
One of the apartment buildings was next door to the Salvation Army which in no way was a fancy building where food was donated along with clothing. Salvation Army has store here in town where the house is. Every year a few loonies are dropped in the Salvation Army container. Have never seen fancy buildings where as a charity the Salvation Army does help people. Like any organization there is always people at the top. Here there are no food stamps where only charities help people get food. Some of charities give out winter coats which are essential here in the winter. There is universal medical care here no matter if you are rich or not well off medical care will be provided. Some think this is a Socialist country where compared to Scandinavian countries so or compared to Europe not so where some provinces have progressive Conservative governments like Ontario. The last federal election the Liberals wound with the same minority government like before the election where the Conservatives are the main opposition. Finally when clothing was left when people move out that was donated to the Salvation Army along what was usable was donated as well rather then taking to the dump or putting in dumpster. --99.236.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 8:38 PM
They raised the cost of Medicare. Donate to old folks. They are attacking us, also for children and helpless animals. --108.24.xx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by J [FL]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 9:15 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I think this "woke" stuff may have finally peaked, after the horrible events of last week (mainly Waukesha, but also the mass looting of Nordstrom and Luis Vitton and other stores). People are fed up with the coddling of lawbreakers and may finally say enough is enough. --72.188.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2021 10:23 PM
please go to salvation army's own site and their newsroom where they debunk this claim salvationarmyusa
the same theme was used against goodwill a few years ago. there is a component of this country that wants to disrupt or is influenced by disruptors and just runs w whatever garbage is blurted out. I'm not a fan of the Santa collection kettles but as an organization they do good things w populations of people that most of us choose to ignore. I find the organizational structure kind of odd like the boy scouts, but they take their commitment to service seriously. they donated land and time to build a park I worked on a long time ago. --172.58.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2021 7:05 AM
The SA was & after reading their rebuttal (thanks Small potatoes) still is one of the few charities that I actively support. I've always been impressed with how well run the 2 SAs in my area have been run. I know for sure that both of these local SAs have helped numerous tenants of mine.
I guess like most things in life (like prospect's rental applications), we need to do a bit of investigating before we make a decision. --71.174.xx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2021 6:00 PM
Fake news. Sad that it's transmitted over and over here. --50.82.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2021 6:10 PM
Ya from both sides. Fortunately this one was fake news. most of the times “going woke” isn’t fake news anymore. --24.152.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Alan [CA]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 12:54 AM
NOPE - Not fake news at all...
"The Salvation Army, best known for its red kettle donation stands at Christmas, has released a racial reconciliation curriculum urging its members to apologize for past racial misdeeds."
OT-Salvation Army (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 10:00 AM
Love all the misinformation trolls misinforming the other misinformation trolls. My doctor told me when a vax is given the needle should be withdrawn slightly before injecting to avoid injecting into a vein which could cause brain damage. And he said, "they are supposed to but they don't". That's it. He can't make it stop with all his wisdom and education and years of helping others. So I put this up on Twitter to get the word out and lo and behold, some unknown chaos creator replies "that is old information and causes injury". So many evil people in this world. --108.24.xx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 11:56 AM
This is where we need John [MI]. He is a good fact finder.
I looked up what Small potatoes referred to and read it. The SA is disputing the claim. It is also interesting to read their program that they make reference to in their rebuttal. However, when I read that, it made me think that the claim could be true.
So, either they didn't make that statement and the claim is false, or they regret saying it and are trying to cover their tracks. How do you find the truth? --73.120.xx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 12:10 PM
for a worthy cause i find that meals on wheels is a good outfit. they are all different so use charity navigator to look up the one you're considering to assure they are efficient. many name brand "charities" have larded up overhead so let's hope that the SA course corrects because they are historically one of the very most efficient outfits as regards having our dollars make a difference. i also urge that y'all look at the Institute for Justice and the Pacific Legal Foundation. PLF fights for property rights...a cause dear to me as a raging capitalist. both get 4 stars for their efficiency and use of funds. regrettably my previously favored Wounded Warriors has has no stars for some reason lately. --75.80.xx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 2:11 PM
Alan/CA: ""The Salvation Army, best known for its red kettle donation stands at Christmas, has released a racial reconciliation curriculum urging its members to apologize for past racial misdeeds."
Where's the context? Where do you get this quote? Because the SA denies it. --50.82.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 2:32 PM
One mans news is another mans fake news. --174.198.xx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Sparky [PA]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 7:58 PM
I did go to the website of The Salvation Army (TSA) and read TSA's Response to False Claims on the Topic of Racism. TSA's International Positional Statement on Racism linked there was published in 2017.
In 2018, there was a new sheriff in town. Brian Peddle, became the 21st General, CEO and international leader of The Salvation Army on August 3, 2018. It was under Gen. Peddle's tutelage that new training, created through TSA's International Social Justice Commission, was disseminated internally to field officers and territorial commanders. The "voluntary" resource guide “Let’s Talk About Racism,” which has since become a focus of controversy, was created by TSA's Social Justice Commission. Due to blowback, the "Let’s Talk About Racism" resource has now been withdrawn for review (which withdrawal has been acknowledged in TSA link posted above). Clearly, TSA is trying to walk it back.
After reading the resource, in my opinion it is CRT training material and their "courageous conversations" are part of the woke movement. While I believe that historically, TSA has done many good works, that was then, this is now. Personally, I will not be donating to any organization embracing this woke ideology. --73.40.xxx.xx
OT-Salvation Army (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 29, 2021 12:37 PM
Not to steal Bill's (NC) thunder but I researched this and sadly there is some truth to the allegation. I always knew the SA to be non-political and efficient with their funds. Earlier this year the SA internally released 2 memos about this topic, referred to in the Blaze story pasted below. If you go to the Blaze com you can find the story and click the links - but one of them was apparently removed since last week. Now the SA is recanting somewhat.
Here's the story:
Salvation Army responds to critics of woke messaging, backpedals by withdrawing anti-ra cism guide for 'appropriate review'
Chris Enloe 4-5 minutes
The Salvation Army published a lengthy response late last week after numerous reports indicated the Christian charity organization had embraced wo ke corporate messaging.
What is the background?
The controversy surrounds two internal Salvation Army documents, a guidebook titled "Let's Talk About Rac ism" and another called the "Study Guide on Rac ism."
The National Review reported:
In a guidebook titled "Let's Talk About Raci sm," the organization calls Christians to reflect on and rectify their contributions to the social inequities and prejudicial systems that have harmed minorities. Citing its "International Position Statement on Rac ism," the organization writes that it "acknowledges with regret, that Salvationists have sometimes shared in the sins of racism and conformed to economic, organisational and social pressures that perpetuate racism."
An accompanying document created by the Salvation Army's International Social Justice Commission, called the "Study Guide on Rac ism," claims that white people are responsible for "unconscious bias," an idea promulgated by critical-ra ce-theory advocate Ibr am X. Ke ndi. Ke ndi argues that white people's legacy of rac ism is irredeemable, and that the only remedy is reverse discri mination as a matter of retributive justice to level the societal playing field.
OT-Salvation Army (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 29, 2021 12:40 PM
CONTINUED: In the "Let's Talk About Rac ism" document, the Salvation Army implores whi te donors to "lament, repent and apologize for biases or rac .ist ideologies held and actions committed," and urges them to adopt "a posture of ... anti-rac ism," another moniker made famous by Kendi.
"In the absence of making anti-rac ist choices, we (un) consciously uphold aspects of White supr emacy, White-dominant culture, and unequal institutions and society," the document states.
Meanwhile, the "Study Guide on Rac ism" states that white people are guilty "unconscious bias" and "unwittingly perpetuate rac ial division," and declares that, "We must stop denying the existence of individual and systemic/institutional rac ism. They exist, and are still at work to keep White Americans in power."
TheBlaze further reported:
In the guide, the Salvation Army makes use of a litany of wo ke terms to articulate their message, including "anti-rac ist," "colonizer," "domestic terrorism," "fasc ism," "institutional rac ism," "microaggressions," "systemic rac ism," and "white ness."
As TheBlaze noted, the wo ke messaging forced some Christians to stop donating to the organization.
What did the Salvation Army say?
The Salvation Army released a statement flatly denying accusations the Christian organization is now peddling ideals of critical ra ce theory and other wo ke messaging.
"[S]ome individuals and groups have recently attempted to mislabel our organization to serve their own agendas. They have claimed that we believe our donors should apologize for their skin color, that The Salvation Army believes America is an inherently rac ist society, and that we have abandoned our Christian faith for one ideology or another," the statement explained.
"Those claims are simply false, and they distort the very goal of our work," the statement added.
Responding to the core of the criticism — the "Let's Talk About Rac ism" study guide — the Salvation Army claimed it was issued to members as a "voluntary resource."
But despite claiming critics of the study guide "have chosen to ignore" attempts by the Salvation Army to provide "accurate information" about the guide, the statement said the Salvation Army has "now withdrawn the guide for appropriate review."
The statement, however, did not specify which specific parts of the study guide require clarification, nor did the statement address the "Study Guide on Rac ism."
OT-Salvation Army (by W [CA]) Posted on: Nov 29, 2021 5:53 PM
Just the fact that they have an International Social Justice Commission is all I need to know.
In reading the official statement...This was not an apology, but finger pointing towards those who took righteous offense at the WOKE guide. --174.65.x.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 30, 2021 5:53 PM
ally: you should find a new doctor.... to all else. SA pulled that and apologized for their mistake at being woke. they still fulfill a good mission. --72.176.xxx.xxx
OT-Salvation Army (by John [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 6, 2021 1:05 PM
I'm late reading this thread. I want to say several things about the recent news from Salvation Army. If those rac-ist mothr fukers want me to apologize for being white, they will never get a cent from me. Likewise, BL-M wants the public to boycott white businesses. They are a raci-st terrori-st organization in my eyes. As far a folks demanding reparations, they to can f themselves. None of my relatives lived in this country during the sl-ave days. --174.206.xxx.xxx