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Access to Property (by Fabric Gal [CA]) Nov 22, 2021 3:53 PM
       Access to Property (by Richard [MI]) Nov 22, 2021 4:20 PM
       Access to Property (by Richard [MI]) Nov 22, 2021 4:24 PM
       Access to Property (by Colleen [FL]) Nov 22, 2021 5:21 PM
       Access to Property (by S i d [MO]) Nov 22, 2021 6:11 PM
       Access to Property (by Moshe [CA]) Nov 22, 2021 6:28 PM
       Access to Property (by Fabric Gal [CA]) Nov 22, 2021 7:57 PM
       Access to Property (by plenty [MO]) Nov 22, 2021 8:01 PM
       Access to Property (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 23, 2021 1:17 AM
       Access to Property (by Dee Ann [WI]) Nov 23, 2021 1:22 AM
       Access to Property (by Busy [WI]) Nov 23, 2021 10:55 AM
       Access to Property (by Fabric Gal [CA]) Nov 23, 2021 11:55 PM
       Access to Property (by Mike [MI]) Nov 26, 2021 12:48 PM
       Access to Property (by mike [CA]) Nov 26, 2021 12:56 PM
       Access to Property (by Danno [IL]) Nov 27, 2021 12:26 AM

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Access to Property (by Fabric Gal [CA]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 3:53 PM

How do I handle this?

Tenants are being problematic when I try to coordinate with plumber, electrician, roofer, gardener and their own "tenant* schedule. They are only available on a certain day of the week, but not all day because they have other things to do, of course.

They said they do NOT want anyone at the house unless they are home, even if all the work will be done on the outside of the house.

They want to have a discussion about all the scheduling and repairs. I feel they are tying my hands with limitations as I'm at the mercy of my fix-repair people. The plumbing repairs are imperative, the roof needs attention before it rains, and the electrical has been addressed in terms of safety but there is more work to be done there.

My gardener already TOLD ME that if he has to come back twice to finish the initial cleaning (b/c they will only be home for 4 hours but it's an 8 hour job), I'll have to find someone else.

I really want to be a bossy be-atch & tell them who is the boss (that would be me esp when I'm ticked) but I don't want them to dig in & retaliate and stay beyond the end of the lease.

Be gentle with your reprimands. I appreciate helpful suggestions. These are new-to-me tenants that I "inherited" and their lease is up at end of Jan. I've already offered early release without penalty, and reimbursement per diem after a specific date.

Access to Property (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 4:20 PM

The landlord is in charge. The tenant is not.

Robert(CA) has addressed this several times. I'd advise to look up his posts on dealing with this. --75.7.xx.xx

Access to Property (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 4:24 PM

Sorry, that's RobertJ (CA) --75.7.xx.xx

Access to Property (by Colleen [FL]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 5:21 PM

Do you have a Lease Agreement, and what is it said?

For some states, or maybe all? One day notice is all required.

In my Lease has that we would attempt to schedule a time that works, but if necessary, we have the right to access given 1 day notice. And also access during an emergency.

I would explain in an email reference the clause in Agreement or State, is that you are follow according with the Agreement or Requirement of 1 day notice. You are proceed as you don't have choices with your Contractor's schedule. You should be conservative advised in advance of no of days Contractor be there.

Now if they have a legitimate reason of a need to use the yard for family birthday party for 1-2 days then you may factor/consider avoiding that.

Access to Property (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 6:11 PM

Step 1: Document! Every time they refuse entry or limit access, legitimately or otherwise, document. Day,time, what was going on.

Step 2: Learn your state law on land lord giving notice for access or repairs. Follow those. If it says "24 hours written notice", then you post that notice on the front door and take a picture. If they refuse access, then you evict for non-compliace.

I'm not going to rebuke you, but I will encourage you to adopt a stronger tone and stance. Don't ask "when can I come over?" Tell them "we will be there at 8 am until the job is done." In my state they must allow access,even if they are not home. If they want to accuse us of theft or other crimes, they must have proof.

Time to take charge! Don't be timid.

Access to Property (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 6:28 PM

Give them a written notice that you will be entering the unit on a specific date at a certain time, specify the reason for the entrance and be sure that it is a legal reason for landlord to enter the unit (see list of legal reasons in CA CCC 1954), and be sure to give an appropriate amount of advance notice.

Then, show up and enter, carry out your business and leave, no matter if they are present or not. They had advance notice to be present if they wished, else to secure their property. You are not obligated to do more.

If they insist that they do not want you to enter, you can summon Police making the complaint disturbance of the peace (disturbing your right to enter). Police response will depend on your local PD and their workload.


Access to Property (by Fabric Gal [CA]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 7:57 PM

Thank you all for your gentle, informative and encouraging responses!

Access to Property (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2021 8:01 PM

At this point. I would stop giving my power away. Stop asking as start telling. In writting. According to the lease. Give written notice and tell them what day and time. Be as consists as possible. Like Every Tuesday from 10 to 3 the gardener will be there. Or whatever the schedule is. Note that they don't need access to the home. Or if they do that you will be there. Or your representative.

Access to Property (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2021 1:17 AM

Besides being a landlord I'm also a contractor. Most people don't like strangers in their rentals when they aren't home. Think about it, would you? So my tenants that know me allow me access whenever necessary. Of course I'll let them know a day before I'm coming.

But when I need to send a tradesman or vendor into a rental, I'll let my tenant know when they will be coming, and if they want to be home then need to make arrangements. With a simple 24 hour notice posted on their door, or if in their lease a texted message/email can substitute for a 24 hour notice posted on their door.

My big issues is 75% of the time when my tenants say they will be home to let my repair person into the rental, no one will answer the door bell or house phone. So I will put a lockbox on the side gas meter pipes and let me tenant know that if they don't answer the door for my tradesman, then we will call them and give them 5 minutes to open the door or I will give the tradesman the lockbox code and they will let themselves into the rental.

Access to Property (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2021 1:22 AM

I have a newbie situation like what you describe. Due to trying to accommodate schedules, nothing is getting done. Contractors are so busy here they can't even give me a specific time they can come.

So today I said to myself, enough!

I gave notice and just told them ...we are entering with so and so contractor to repair thus and such and you must realize with worker and supply shortages we need to go by the service provider's schedule to provide services required.

Stay strong Fabric gal.


Access to Property (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2021 10:55 AM

Prioritize to absolute essentials between now and January. If they will be moving, that is the time to get things rehabbed. For instance, if a roof is leaking now, patch it for now, then reroof in January. Yes, that’s more cost, but maybe less cost in the long run. With holidays, and, having to find a new place for a January move, and being they don’t know you yet, I’d give them space. Focus on what they need to do for a smooth transition out.

Once they see you aren’t going to tear the house apart during the holidays, and while they are packing to move, looking for a new place, they may settle a bit. Now isn’t the time to be all ‘New sherif in town’ just as you already suspect. You want them to smoothly transition out of the property in January.

The gardener? Lol? My gardener says she’s done for the season ( me, I’m the gardener, and I’ve done big landscape projects this year.) Gardener projects definitely should wait.

You’ve done well already . You made essential electrical repairs. If the plumbing and roof issues can be ‘patched’ with a bucket underneath, that’s what I would do for now. January will be here soon.

I was working this past week on removing eight layers of old, old flooring in a small section of a kitchen. Now, this tenant has been with me for long, long time, and was in the house when I bought it. That first year I owned the house, I was careful to work when she was there. After a few months, she gave me the go-ahead to work on days she wasn’t there. I didn’t demand it though. She had to get to know me, and one day she just said, ‘you can work when we’re not here.’ ( note-this advice probably doesn’t work for larger landlords with many properties, and a crew to keep working.) Now our relationship is such that she greatly accommodates me. While I was working on the kitchen flooring this past week, I had to set up dust control barriers, and I blocked off access to the basement and back door. Covered her fridge, stove, sink as extra precaution. No problem. She made sure they accommodated me, I made sure I accommodated them. It was a lot of plastic and tape, as I had to set up and take down each work session, but it’s done. Now the flooring by the back door has been lowered enough that it can accommodate the insulated steel door with a window that I’ve been wanting to get in there. But, I wouldn’t have expected the tenant to put up with that obstruction when our working relationship was new.

Oh, and when my roofers did a tear off , including new roof decking a couple of years ago?? …. A worker possibly dropped an air nailer which hit the drywall above one of the bedrooms. Drywall that was desperately thin from the pesky squirrels that had invaded the home that winter … family came home about six pm to a mess of squirrel-chewed bits n pieces all over the dresser below. From the attic side, it wasn’t even evident, as the big old squirrel nest of fluff covered the hole. Because my tenant and I already had a good working relationship, she was calm, let me know, they vacuumed squirrel debris, I fixed the hole the next day. Not something I would expect a new-to-me tenant to do. A newer relationship, they might be more upset, demanding.

It’s your house, it’s their home.

Access to Property (by Fabric Gal [CA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2021 11:55 PM

Thanks again, everyone! Dee Ann, I especially appreciated your input about sort of being in the same boat!

Access to Property (by Mike [MI]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2021 12:48 PM

In MI, if you enter a rental without the tenants permission, unless it is an emergency, you will be charged with breaking and entering which you should be and I was 40 years ago. How do you solve this? You can put in your lease all day long about prior notice, if they don't let you in it's pretty simple,a 30 day notice for violation of lease.

Access to Property (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2021 12:56 PM

most leases says the owner OR HIS AGENT...that shortens the story a lot. certainly, they're welcome to attend but they do not call the tune. i've had these types start telling the tradesman about other repairs they demand. advise them you are not willing to listen to them beech if the tradesman is an hour late...something that is common. this is a great time to have them sign a memo that no other issues are on the to-do list. this stops their kvetching if you just decide to terminate them if they are such a PITA. --75.80.xx.xx

Access to Property (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2021 12:26 AM

I like Robert J's suggestions a lot. One other point I would like to add - From my perspective, the consistent labor shortages in worker crews (no matter what trade it is) have placed undue pressure upon the contractor(s):to maintain an accurate and consistent timetable as to when they will show up as scheduled (or even to finish the work, once they have started the job). For those of you that must furnish at least a 24 hour notice (in my jurisdiction, it is 48 hours (unless the affected tenant(s) agree to waive that requirement)), I'd suggest this language be included. It reads, "In case of a scheduling delay on the contracted work involved, this notice shall be sufficient to cover an additional one to two day extension of the scheduled timeframe previously stated in this notice. While the aforementioned contractor(s) will make every effort to perform the work in the timeframe promised, existing labor shortages have proven to sometimes delay such work." In the absence of such language beforehand, another notice may likely need to be issued,already adding to more frustrating scheduling delays.

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