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Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by AllyM [NJ]) Nov 17, 2021 10:37 AM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Nov 17, 2021 10:53 AM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Nov 17, 2021 11:40 AM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Nov 17, 2021 12:22 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Vee [OH]) Nov 17, 2021 12:57 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 17, 2021 1:03 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by NE [PA]) Nov 17, 2021 1:06 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by NE [PA]) Nov 17, 2021 1:07 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Nov 17, 2021 1:14 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 17, 2021 1:17 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Nov 17, 2021 3:39 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Nov 17, 2021 3:43 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by MAP [NY]) Nov 18, 2021 3:12 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Wilma [PA]) Nov 18, 2021 9:42 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Nellie [ME]) Nov 18, 2021 10:52 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 18, 2021 11:46 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 19, 2021 2:34 PM
       Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 19, 2021 8:23 PM

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Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 10:37 AM
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Heard a commercial on local radio from gas/electric company asking residents to contact their legislators to say no to proposed legislation that would require heat pumps in homes. Commercial said "$20,000" tax is what it amounts to. NJ is too far north for those. It goes down to zero and below some years and often 15 and 18 and stays there for a couple days in Jan. or Feb. That's crazy. What next? Are they trying to kill us? --108.24.xx.xx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 10:53 AM
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Heat Pumps have electric heat built-in - they have to in order to work.

So they will work in colder climates, but you have basically converted to electric heat during the coldest months. They are more efficient than electric-only AC though, which is nice, and they are more efficient during the milder winter months than electric-only. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 11:40 AM
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Unlikely to cost $20,000 and they work just fine in colder climates. Extra bonus, they all have air conditioning for the summer.

A heat pump system can be installed that has a gas back up heat system.

Still, it should not be the government's job to dictate what sort of heat you use. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 12:22 PM
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Don't they make hydro versions too, where you can hook up to groundwater instead of air somehow? --50.82.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 12:57 PM
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Many of the t-stats can be wired so that emergency heat then activate a forced air or boiler - the white to red wire closure. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 1:03 PM
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Question might be, who is making money off from that law? --73.120.xx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 1:06 PM
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6 x 6, the money will most likely be made at tax time when a person canít prove that they had one installed. I donít know how else they could police something like this. --174.198.xx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 1:07 PM
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And 6 x 6, if you havenít noticed yet, itís never about what they say itís about. Itís always about the tax revenue that they can get from the situation. --174.198.xx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 1:14 PM
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It may be that the law will require a heat pump be installed when an old unit needs to be replaced, just like they forced us to give up Freon when we replaced old units, or the change in hot water heaters insulation resulting in new sizing (which is fine in a large utility room, a huge dilemma in a tiny closet such as in a mobile home.)

Remember they are wanting to "go green" and give up natural gas and oil heat...I'm guessing here, without knowing anything about the law. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 1:17 PM
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Agreed NE. --73.120.xx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 3:39 PM
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WMH [NC]:

You're thinking of Geothermal, but open groundwater systems are riddled with issues. Closed-loop systems are better. In closed-loop, a sealed pipe is run 350 ft down into ground and the fluid in there re-circulates, bringing the heat/cool with it and the unit uses expansion and compression to lower or raise temp rest of way. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2021 3:43 PM
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Thanks LLOTF, that is the name I was thinking off. I hadn't heard of the open system kind, only the closed loop version. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2021 3:12 PM
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Today's cold climate heatpumps aka "hyper" heat in the Mitsubishi line provide heat to the below zero temps.

But yes sounds like more gov't interference. I was hoping NJ would have a new gov. --174.208.x.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2021 9:42 PM
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Miss Ally, we're across the river from you, so similar winters. Our former home, now a rental, has a heat pump with electric backup when the temps get below 34 and they can no longer keep up. It's not ideal, but no tenant has complained, and we can sleep well knowing that there is no gas or oil combusting there.

Our own home has a propane furnace. When it quit, we decided to replace our elderly Central air, too. After doing some research, we found a very efficient solution - we replaced the air conditioner with a heat pump (for only $200 more); and replaced the propane furnace with another propane furnace. A sensor outside cues the thermostat during heating season to run the heat pump until the outside temp gets to 34 - then the furnace kicks on and the heat pump turns off. It works great!

This system is referred to as bi-fuel, but as we also run a wood stove with an efficient catalytic conbuster, we're actually tri-fuel.

Another nice thing about heat pumps is that in PA at least, we get a break on our electric bill because electric is our primary source of heat.

I looked it up, and that $20,000 is what somebody would have to spend who does not have a house set up for forced air heating.

--96.227.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2021 10:52 PM
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The Fujitsu is another brand that makes them for colder temperature environments. We just bought a house with a heat pump so we will see how well it works. It only heats one area of the house, though. --76.179.xxx.xx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2021 11:46 PM
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A refrigerator is basically a heat pump where heat is extracted from inside refrigerator to outside refrigerator. A air sourced heat pump loses efficiency when the outside temperature starts to drop well below freezing as there less heat to extract. The ground below a certain level remains constant temperature all year round where a ground sourced heat pump or often called geo thermal efficiency for heating and cooling remains constant all year round. Last time the price of oil spiked a lot of people in rural locations where natural gas is not available people starting installing ground sourced heat pumps in houses which was expensive to install but very economical to operate. Most houses, buildings here are heated by natural gas where only in rural or areas that do not have natural gas use propane or oil. Better option is to upgrade house or building where the walls are R 40 to R 60 and ceiling is R 70 to R 90 then the house or building would have very little heat loss or heat gain. More then likely that is not going to go anywhere where when the provincial Liberals were power they wanted people to switch to electric resistance heating which is too expensive. In peak times when electrical demand is high they use gas turbine power generating stations where that is not carbon neutral. Only 3 per cent comes from renewable and a third from Niagara Falls power station. Governments try to say things where if there was a court challenge that would be impossible to take everyone to court. In the house using a natural gas stove, dryer and demand natural gas water heater as the electricity is extremely expensive in the province of Ontario where it costs about a third to use natural gas for heating or heating water. A natural gas demand water heater is very efficient as only heat when hot water is required. Since there here there is carbon tax on natural gas, gasoline and oil where it is possible to get for free then the higher efficiency EPA rated wood stove easily heats the house for free along no taxes at all. Since installing more spray foam the temperature drop is less over day or night where slowly over time going to continue to remove the fiberglass insulation which often has mold. --99.236.xxx.xxx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2021 2:34 PM
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Wilma, that's me. I have a gas boiler and rads. I don't think it will go farther. Robert F. Kennedy just wrote a book that blows the whistle on all of the nonsense. I got my copy on Ebay. It's almost over. --108.24.xx.xx




Forcing heat pumps in NJ (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2021 8:23 PM
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Most houses here use a forced air heating system where older houses have gas boilers. Some people as soon they buy house change to forced air. A gas boiler can also be used to heat a indirect hot water tank where there is a immersion coil in the hot water tank which transfers heat from boiler. A separate circulation pump is used for the indirect hot water where a gas boiler will heat up indirect hot water tank along more hot water as the a gas boiler has more capacity then a direct fired hot water tank. Indirect hot water tanks are more efficient where the hourly temperature drop is 0.6 degrees as no heat is going up the stack. In Europe indirect hot water tanks are very common where not common in North America. --99.236.xxx.xxx



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