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Fridge out again.. (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 23, 2021 10:09 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 23, 2021 11:14 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by DJ [VA]) Oct 23, 2021 11:43 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Oct 24, 2021 12:11 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by gevans [SC]) Oct 24, 2021 8:27 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 24, 2021 11:06 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 24, 2021 11:26 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 24, 2021 11:49 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 24, 2021 11:50 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Oct 24, 2021 8:47 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 24, 2021 9:43 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Travis [OK]) Oct 24, 2021 10:43 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Travis [OK]) Oct 24, 2021 10:43 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 25, 2021 11:20 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 25, 2021 12:00 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Travis [OK]) Oct 25, 2021 1:04 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 25, 2021 1:05 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Vee [OH]) Oct 27, 2021 10:20 AM
       Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 28, 2021 1:07 PM
       Fridge out again.. (by Vee [OH]) Oct 28, 2021 7:21 PM


Fridge out again.. (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2021 10:09 PM
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So last week the freezer door popped open and everything got warm in there but recovered. Last night I saw my ice cream all melted and the temp in the fridge at 45 instead of lower. So I bailed all the meat out and down to the chest freezer. This morning I called two people and one called me back and came out. Former electrician, older guy, now does this. Not likable, sort of gruff and crusty but that's OK. He determines it's a problem with the fan in the freezer, takes panel off and that's it. Motor was still hot even though I pulled the plug around 11 PM last night because I could hear something running but not cooling and was afraid of fire. So the cooling coil, I guess it is was still iced up. He has the fan motor in his truck, replaces it and freezer starts cooling. It's 0 degrees in there but the fridge part is only at 40, and this is 12 hours later. I put my hand up to the fan that comes into the fridge and it doesn't seem to be blowing very much. Does this sound right? Twelve hours to go from 50 degrees to 40 in the fridge? He has it set below the "recommended" also. I just may call another guy on Monday and pay him to come out and take a look and tell me what he thinks of this fridge. I may call the first guy again sometime but I almost called my friend to come over while he was there. He was asking too many questions about Dad's coin collection I am selling. I didn't mention it. He just asked if I collected any coins and I said my dad did and he wanted to see them. Well they are not in one place and I find them here and there in drawers. I guess he hid them from my mother. So bottom line is, any body else think the fan in the fridge part might be going since the other one did? --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2021 11:14 PM
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As with any complicated system, it needs to be diagnosed by a professional who specializes in that type of appliance. Weather it is a refrigerator, washing machine, furnace -- knowledge and testing equipment is everything.

When my last tenant who's refrigerator went out, I had to come with my huge portable ice chest half filled with ice. I had to remove everything from the tenants freezer to access the rear panel. I tested and found the defrost timer defective, the temperature sensor wasn't working within range. The blower fan, heating element and compressor were good. So I installed a new defrost timer and temp sensor, costing me a whopping $25.

A service tech wanted to charge my tenant $150 to come out and and additional $250 to return with parts and the labor. I told my tenant that I could look at it the next day or they should buy themselves a new refrigerator. They waited for me... --47.155.xx.xxx




Fridge out again.. (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2021 11:43 PM
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No, it does not sound right. Should get much colder much faster.

If you paid this guy to fix it, and he didn't, call him back so he does.

Then again, if he doesn't reply know what he's doing, you need a professional appliance repair person. But if that's the case, why would you have hired him in the first place? Especially if you are putting up with him being gruff - he should be the very best at what he does. --68.229.xxx.xxx




Fridge out again.. (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 12:11 AM
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Working in electronic and repairing other devices. What happens is a part has failed where if replaced part the part will fail again. A integrated circuit will work but other components will the integrated circuit to fail again as there over heating. Something is causing the part to fail where other parts need to replaced as well. Always can view a few videos on You Tube where type what failed then see what else maybe required. --99.236.xxx.xxx




Fridge out again.. (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 8:27 AM
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If it was running with a dead evaporator fan, the evaporator coil would be a large block of ice. It must be defrosted for the fridge to work properly again. You can do this with the panel removed while replacing the fan, using a hair dryer. Or you can just empty the fridge, turn it off, prop the doors open, and wait two days. LOL --216.218.xxx.x




Fridge out again.. (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 11:06 AM
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Ally, just buy yourself a new refrigerator. That one is a lemon. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 11:26 AM
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Thank you. The person who came advertised himself as an appliance mechanic and it was written all over his truck.

Two things stick out. He came in and looked and spoke out loud wondering what was the problem and I said, maybe it's a fan and then I unloaded the fridge and he removed the panel and the fan was not working. The coil wasn't a "huge block of ice' but it was covered with ice and no it did not defrost while he was there. I asked him about it and he said "that's what you want". Obviously you said it's not right to have that, Gevans.

So prepandemic Ally would have run out and got a new one instead. I am $350 into this problem with the repair guy. I looked at the local appliance store online and they have a lot of very expensive stuff in stock but the Plain Jane stuff I want is not. I think there is one model. I am going to call them in a few minutes and see what the situation is. Remember we have a problem on this coast with getting fridges during the pandemic. I had to get a smaller one for my tenant a few months ago. Maybe I should put this one on the porch or in garage or basement for emergency use if a tenant's fridge should break.

Robert J. you are Superman, not the woke version, the previous one. --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 11:49 AM
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Robert in Canada. This fridge was made in Canada. I will look to see what made the fan fail but probably caused by the overheating that took place three weeks ago when the door popped open while I was shopping and I came home to find everything in the freezer had melted up top and the door was open. I think they make these doors easy to open from the inside so no children get trapped. Something had fallen off the top shelf in the freezer and pushed the door open. I have had a lot of meat in there because of problems with supplies in the supermarket. --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 11:50 AM
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The fridge was made in June of 2016. It's on a label inside. --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 8:47 PM
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Basically appliance manufacture is done here and in the Us and Mexico by large muli-national corporations. They use a standard set off parts where minor differences where every appliance sold here must meet CSA electrical safety standards where anything made in China will be substandard when it comes to safety standards. CSA will easily pass for UL ratings as both are high safety standards. Most the appliances in the house are either made in the Us or assembled in the Us with parts brought in from other countries. Found appliances not last a long time where in the past a fridge or stove would easily last up to 25 to 30 years. Often even if I am repairing myself the cost of parts will often make a repair not worthwhile where in the apartment buildings bought used on websites or Restores. Since the price for used cars increased dramatically a lot of people are repairing cars that are older where the repairs will often exceed the value of the car. --99.236.xxx.xxx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 9:43 PM
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Spoke to my cousin today who grew up in his Dad's appliance store and he says it's a good idea to get the second opinion since it's so hard for me to handle the mess two times in a row. Maybe another guy can make a pre repair. they know the guy I am calling tomorrow and he's OK. His brother, my other cousin, does kitchen remodels nearby in Pennsy and he is having a very hard time getting fridges. It's a high end area. So I will keep fixing it but be careful how much I buy. I can shop every day and do have the box freezer in the basement.

--108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Travis [OK]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 10:43 PM
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I’m not a full up appliance pro, but I have worked on several hundred fridges.... I fix them and resell on marketplace when I’m not landlording. The first thing I’m wondering is the style of fridge? If it’s a top freezer with fridge below it will most likely only have a single evaporator fan. This fan blows air across the super cooled aluminum fins that help make up the evaporator. Eventually the dense cool air sinks to the refrigerator compartment with a little help from that same fan.

So curiously adjusting the fridge temperature only controls a damper that allows more or less sharing of the cold freezer air. The freezer temp control actually has an impact on the fridge temp because if it’s at negative 10 versus +10 it’s sure as heck going to effect the potency of the air shared with the fridge compartment. However modern side by side fridges and some newer top mount freezers automate the process with a blend door that is electronically controlled.

It’s possible the gruffy repair guy thawed just enough Ice accumulation to allow the fan to spin freely. However if there is still a good deal of ice accumulation on the coil it will need to run a few defrost cycles. Most fridges defrost for about 20minutes every 12 hrs. I’d check the temps again in the morning. Another thing to note, if you happen to check a fridge while it’s in defrost you might see an abnormally high temp. 20mins of defrost every 12 hrs is something like 5% off the time the fridge is actually heating up to melt ice. And there also must be some percentage of time it takes to actually get back to the desired cooling range. Most repair guys have temperature loggers so they can review a several day period of data. They just don’t like to leave them because it would be another trip charge to come back for it.

Im sure this write up misses some key points but I put it down anyway in case you might find it helpful. I do trust the old timers who keep there head down and bang out the repairs..the gruffier, the better!. Most of them would be glad to return if they don’t get it right the first time because it could be a chance for them to learn something new. Most repair problems are a single failed component, but sometimes it can be a compound issues. For instance, he could arrive to a poorly cooling fridge and diagnose it as a bad fan motor. But it’s possible the fan motor went bad because the defrost heater stopped. With no defrost cycle the ice could accumulate and over time engulf the fan and cause the fan to fail.

If the fridge doesn't maintain proper temps in the morning, I personally would recommend giving your first tech a chance to investigate. Just a few thoughts, as I have been very surprised about some of my misconceptions as a landlord who has traveled into the appliance field. --68.97.xxx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Travis [OK]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 10:43 PM
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I’m not a full up appliance pro, but I have worked on several hundred fridges.... I fix them and resell on marketplace when I’m not landlording. The first thing I’m wondering is the style of fridge? If it’s a top freezer with fridge below it will most likely only have a single evaporator fan. This fan blows air across the super cooled aluminum fins that help make up the evaporator. Eventually the dense cool air sinks to the refrigerator compartment with a little help from that same fan.

So curiously adjusting the fridge temperature only controls a damper that allows more or less sharing of the cold freezer air. The freezer temp control actually has an impact on the fridge temp because if it’s at negative 10 versus +10 it’s sure as heck going to effect the potency of the air shared with the fridge compartment. However modern side by side fridges and some newer top mount freezers automate the process with a blend door that is electronically controlled.

It’s possible the gruffy repair guy thawed just enough Ice accumulation to allow the fan to spin freely. However if there is still a good deal of ice accumulation on the coil it will need to run a few defrost cycles. Most fridges defrost for about 20minutes every 12 hrs. I’d check the temps again in the morning. Another thing to note, if you happen to check a fridge while it’s in defrost you might see an abnormally high temp. 20mins of defrost every 12 hrs is something like 5% off the time the fridge is actually heating up to melt ice. And there also must be some percentage of time it takes to actually get back to the desired cooling range. Most repair guys have temperature loggers so they can review a several day period of data. They just don’t like to leave them because it would be another trip charge to come back for it.

Im sure this write up misses some key points but I put it down anyway in case you might find it helpful. I do trust the old timers who keep there head down and bang out the repairs..the gruffier, the better!. Most of them would be glad to return if they don’t get it right the first time because it could be a chance for them to learn something new. Most repair problems are a single failed component, but sometimes it can be a compound issues. For instance, he could arrive to a poorly cooling fridge and diagnose it as a bad fan motor. But it’s possible the fan motor went bad because the defrost heater stopped. With no defrost cycle the ice could accumulate and over time engulf the fan and cause the fan to fail.

If the fridge doesn't maintain proper temps in the morning, I personally would recommend giving your first tech a chance to investigate. Just a few thoughts, as I have been very surprised about some of my misconceptions as a landlord who has traveled into the appliance field. --68.97.xxx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 25, 2021 11:20 AM
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Thank you Travis. It's a side by side 66 in high and 30 in. deep with door on, 27 without door. The fan motor was not engulfed by ice but there was some on the coil. Like a rain snow day. Not a lot but some. The gruff guy said it was good to have ice on the coil. He was ordering me around like I was his helper. I am easy going so I did not protest. Fan was not running at all but fan motor was hot. He had the same fan motor in his truck so he installed it. I don't mind gruff but this guy was asking too many personal questions like do I live alone and where is dad's coin collection. I think he saw my coin books on my desk. So the fridge is holding at 40 degrees now for 36 hours so I am hopeful. I am going to ask the other guy for some preventative maintenance if he does that. My cousin said they know him and he is OK. --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 25, 2021 12:00 PM
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If you order a frig today, it might be upwards of 6 weeks to get it.

I had one delivered last week which took six weeks and I have one coming next week - that one is only 4 weeks.

Point is, if you want new - you will want to plan --24.101.xxx.xxx




Fridge out again.. (by Travis [OK]) Posted on: Oct 25, 2021 1:04 PM
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He might have been casing you, but most techs are making enough money they can afford investments…so he legit may have been interested in them as an asset. However on the flip side, landlords have a keen intuition. I trust your read in him and was so focused on your fridge troubles, I skipped his peculiarities.

I’m on few appliance forums geared like mrlandlord however for repair guys. They have their own secret talks about people that have them come in through the garage and require booties and so forth. It almost seems like a chip on their shoulder, maybe feeling a little undervalued and looked down on. Which is funny because all them who are decent at the trade are well into 6 figures…and 7 when they oversee a fleet. Just some insight.

For your fridge, a frosty evaporator is perfection. The aluminum will have a nice coat of frost —-which would build for eternity if it weren’t for the defrost heater that comes on every 12hrs. Sounds very much like you will be able to get a whole lot more value from that fridge. I intentionally keep some of the older fridges I repair for my rentals. They are the ones that where built to last. Once the cell phone makers like LG and Samsung entered the appliance business it became a race to shorten the product cycle. They will have us buying new fridges every 3 years if something doesn’t change.

Smart money in my area spends the big bucks for their personal fridges. Thermadore, subzero. They end up lasting 20 years and there’s a certain joy to owning one. For rentals it’s the well cared for older fridges for me. And like all things it just depends on your target tenant.

Fridge cooling systems are so nearly identical to home systems that seasoned landlords are already half way to being fridge techs. Just like a residential Hvac condenser, fridges need to have the condenser coil clean so they have a means to exhaust the heat they are extracting. I’ve picked up a great deal of poor functioning fridges that worked great by the time I hauled them down the interstate and the wind blew all the dust of the coil. Now days people don’t consider maintenance for appliances at all. Best of luck with your fridge and let me know if you think I can help.

--174.202.xxx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 25, 2021 1:05 PM
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Thanks for the timing info. I am going to keep repairing this one. It's from 2016 and I got it in 2017 and it was a floor model. Now that I know I can get a repair and my basement chest freezer is still working I am going to take the chance since prices for them are outrageous. I only have a 30 in. entry door so I would have to have one that measures less with the doors off. My needs are so specific. I need double door as I can't bend down far enough to use the bottom shelves most of the time due to cancer surgery years ago and then hernia on top of that due to poor stitchery. I can always get the gruff guy by dangling some old coins in his face. It's made in Canada, Whirlpool, and I trust those folks not to have done a sh't job. It's solid. --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 27, 2021 10:20 AM
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I would have put an LED to show when the evap fan is running, this way you can determine the operation of the defrost timer that can help get rid of the ice the repairman should have, empty out the freezer, pull the evap cover and get the evap to flow air again - that is what cools the fridge part using the blend door. --23.125.xxx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 28, 2021 1:07 PM
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He told me to remove the food on freezer side most of which I did before he showed up. He did not have any LED on it. I am calling another guy to see if he knows any of this as you do. --108.24.xx.xx




Fridge out again.. (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 28, 2021 7:21 PM
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You just leave the LED in place, it will light the back of the freezer housing when the fan is on whatever the LED color is - I do instrument panels in green so I take a few from my repair store stock and just leave them in there for easy troubleshooting. --76.188.xxx.xxx





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