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Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 19, 2021 9:46 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by NE [PA]) Oct 19, 2021 10:03 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by dino [CA]) Oct 19, 2021 10:13 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 20, 2021 12:27 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Richard [MI]) Oct 20, 2021 6:34 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by gevans [SC]) Oct 20, 2021 7:10 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 8:44 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by RB [TN]) Oct 20, 2021 9:01 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Mike [MA]) Oct 20, 2021 10:16 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 20, 2021 10:49 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 10:54 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 10:55 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by bet [MA]) Oct 20, 2021 11:08 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by WMH [NC]) Oct 20, 2021 11:58 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Jim in O C [CA]) Oct 20, 2021 12:16 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 20, 2021 12:27 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 1:21 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Pat [VA]) Oct 20, 2021 2:44 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Wilma [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 3:11 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Jim Kennedy [MT]) Oct 20, 2021 3:22 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Brian [CA]) Oct 20, 2021 3:55 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by MC [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 3:59 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 20, 2021 5:49 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 20, 2021 6:37 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 20, 2021 7:49 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by T [IN]) Oct 20, 2021 7:59 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by John Hines [KY]) Oct 20, 2021 8:20 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Art [AR]) Oct 20, 2021 10:17 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Ken [NY]) Oct 21, 2021 8:19 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Lance Mauro [NY]) Oct 21, 2021 11:25 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 21, 2021 1:00 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 21, 2021 1:03 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Honey [LA]) Oct 21, 2021 1:32 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by JB [OH]) Oct 21, 2021 3:44 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 22, 2021 12:45 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 22, 2021 10:49 AM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Birdman [CO]) Oct 23, 2021 12:58 PM
       Hiding in Plain Site (by Mark [MA]) Oct 24, 2021 7:46 PM


Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2021 9:46 PM
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It am interested in finding out how many of you hide in plain site?

There are a few ways you can do this in real estate.....

--24.101.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2021 10:03 PM
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Junk vehicles and dirty contractor clothes. Besides my business shirts, all the t shirts I buy now are gray. Stole that idea from Zuckerberg. --24.152.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by dino [CA]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2021 10:13 PM
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I was hoping this was going to be a thread on clever ways to take title to the property. I guess not.

Yeah, an older car does the trick.

--76.171.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 12:27 AM
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RayRay,

I use a nick name, not my real name when contacting prospects or residents.

Iím tickled when those folks start telling me stories about ďGrayson - he always does (this or that). Iíve checked out ALL his homes.Ē

Oh really!? Iíve heard heís great too!

I DO drive my Porsche 911 to lease signings, etc.

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 6:34 AM
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Don't talk about fight club. Remember that one?

Most of the people I run into in my area are not into being landlords/investors, so I just don't talk about it. If they ask what I do, I just tell them I'm retired.

Previously, if they did find out, it usually led to them wanting a place for a friend or relative or it led to them thinking I was a "rich landlord" and could I lend them money. My kid is not interested in the business (would rather just be a "worker" and get the weekly paycheck). The kid is not all-in on the idea of passive income yet. Would rather be like Fred Flintstone and when the whistle blows at quitting time, everything is someone else's problem. (There is something to that but it is a ticket to a lifetime of work for someone else, making their dreams come true.) When my kid was in high school, I tried to drill in the idea that if a person would just commit to the idea of building a business of owning rentals and learn it, the result would be a lifetime of other people sending you payments every month.

But nope!

Now my kid has to endure, for the next 40 years, getting up every day early, driving 35 miles to work no matter the weather, hoping to get vacation time at a decent time, potential layoffs and potential other problems associated with working for someone else.

I never could do that. --24.180.xx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 7:10 AM
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Older vehicle filled with tools and supplies.

Modest work clothes

Modest house.

Never brag.

Deflect ownership questions "I'm the PM".

--216.218.xxx.x




Hiding in Plain Site (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 8:44 AM
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Unlike others on here seem prone to do, I don't hide. I also don't "brag". My job is my job. I live in an area where lots of people know lots of people. That has helped my business be what it is. Until a few years ago, I was VERY hands on at my properties so all the tenants saw me mowing grass, dirty hands, dragging stuff around, etc. I have always driven "regular" vehicles ... sorry Brad, but I would never be one to "waste" money on a Porsche ... but can certainly pi$$ cash away with the best of the on other things.

I am just not afraid of my tenants or my job; however, I am cautious, aware and use common sense when I can. On Sunday afternoon at the big mall in my area there was a shoot out inside - I think six people,including innocent shoppers, got shot outside J.C.Penneys. You can't protect yourself from that. --98.237.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 9:01 AM
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More like under the radar. (Chosen lifestyle)

--24.151.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Mike [MA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 10:16 AM
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As a Doctor I leaned that tenants are much more demanding than my friends that are LLs, thinking I am rolling in money.

Also the same with contractors. I had two houses, they both needed a drain line replaced, The workers said they were identical in length, depth etc.So I thought they would cost about the same. The contractor thought an older lady owned one house and that I owned the other,

When I got the bills,..the one he thought I owned was over 6K,.."her" house was 3K..

My pts that are contractors have occasionally said knowing that I own properties "boy I bet you get charged a lot"

That used to be an all to frequent experience,..

So now when possible I have one of my staff order things, not mentioning any connection

When I do visit a property,.yes and older car, older cloths etc,.head down, not talkative, you don't get a chance to make friends with me and follow me around trying to be best friends with me as some tenants used to do,.. to use later for special favors. Luckily most properties are in another town where I'm not well known, I have handy people do most work.

"IF" someone tries to ask me something, I tell them call the office (the rental business office) --66.30.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 10:49 AM
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All of my tenants think that the house they are in is the only house I own. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 10:54 AM
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I am only the manager --24.101.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 10:55 AM
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Place the property in a trust - with the trustee another trust --24.101.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 11:08 AM
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Hopefully no one knows that much about me. Where I live, where I am, what I own. I have separate contractors for rentals vs private property. I never tell most people anything about me. Old truck, old clothes etc. --18.216.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 11:58 AM
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Who owns what is right in our online county database. And it's a small beach - people know people who know people. BUT they know we live in a modest house, even if it is on the water it's NOT one of the McMansions AND they see my DH working his a$$ off every day. We've started to hire more stuff out but use the same contractors every time, so they are pretty good to us. Not discounts, I wouldn't expect that, but definitely prompt service.

Both LLCs and the personally owned properties are in a trust, which of course is not public knowledge. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 12:16 PM
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I don't hide. I drive a 2009íToyota Tacoma work truck and a 2006 Toyota Avalon. --99.23.xxx.x




Hiding in Plain Site (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 12:27 PM
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I thought you would say something about LT. --73.120.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 1:21 PM
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I did 6er....A LT in a trust --24.101.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 2:44 PM
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I've always been proud to be a "housing provider" but my DH keeps it under his hat. I have come to realize it isn't a very respectable profession. Too bad.

I sadly have learned it isn't appreciated until they need you, and they don't know you after that need is over. Not every transaction but most if you hold them to any accountability at all!

Just had a former church goer (came long enough to get all they could) send me a friend request and asked me if it was true we had a rental? I ignored her. Why? Because she has 4 kids and showed interest in a 2 bedroom, has a bad history of substance abuse, a volatile personality, has already friended & defriended me several times.

It's hard to hide around here, everyone knows everyone's business. --71.219.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 3:11 PM
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We drive our two oldest vehicles most of the time - rusty and beat-up. Worn jeans, stained t-shirts. Not to fool anyone, that's just how we work. But people seem to think we're on a shoestring. Let 'em! --98.114.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Jim Kennedy [MT]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 3:22 PM
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"A rich Chinese keeps a poor door".

I think this covers it.

Best regards

Jim Kennedy

Mt --174.45.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Brian [CA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 3:55 PM
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If someone asks "how many properties do you own"?I just respond by saying I don't wish to discuss that it's not that important for this conversation --107.77.xxx.x




Hiding in Plain Site (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 3:59 PM
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We don't hide. They know us-yes, sometimes it causes a moment of pause when I have to do an eviction, but it is business. Some "like" us, some don't care. Jeans and Ts to do most of the work that we do ourselves. Those who know us know I work several jobs. Whether we sit on our butts and collect rent and that is all we do is none of anyone's business anyway. Very few in my circle know I own property-I tend to keep most of my personal life personal. --73.230.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 5:49 PM
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If you were to view my house and my vehicles you already know that I don't have money but I take fare care of them. --73.120.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 6:37 PM
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I take no special pains to hide. I'm dressed in jeans and sweats for the most part. I got rid of my beater truck and got a newer one and have no problems driving that around. I keep things distant and humble from both contractors and tenants. I don't volunteer any information about where I live or other properties I may have. Unfortunately, a few of the properties are in close proximity and various people know about them. I can't do anything about that but I keep as low a profile as I can. That's what I do anyway regardless of whether I was an investor or not. --209.122.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 7:49 PM
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Canít truly hide because a few key strokes will let you figure it out but I donít put it all out there. I say I manage 2 buildings for XXX LLC. Most are satisfied with that. Use a PO Box and donít drive my husbandís Porsche to the rentals. --75.67.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by T [IN]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 7:59 PM
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Paint covered blue jeans, dirty hat, wear a shirt with the biz name on or a sweatshirt with one. Work van, nothing fancy. I had the question of how many places I own:

"Residential or commercial?"

"Hmm, residential...:

"Parents or mine personally?"

"What about commercial?"

"Just 4... but not mine personally." never mind each location has multiple units...

Just beat around the bush. Treat like a game... lol

--174.208.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by John Hines [KY]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 8:20 PM
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When asked how many properties we own,

I tell the truth that even my wife doesnít know.

I dress sloppy, because Iím sloppy retired

and drive a 2014 Honda Pilot. They never see my

wifeís MB. --162.238.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Art [AR]) Posted on: Oct 20, 2021 10:17 PM
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The residents don't need to know details about me. I use a PO Box when I have any communication with them or any business that may involve both me and my residence. I drive an old car which is definitely a good thing with the residents. However, I've always been driving an old car all my life. I have never had and never will buy a new car.

I also like the tenants who think I'm not the only owner. I often say I got to consult with the rest of my partners about your problem. But in reality, I am the total owner of the property.

Also, nowadays I have an LLC which I work on, if you decide to sue me Ė Ė you will have a hard time because generally, I'm immune to being sued due to the type of LLC I'm under --70.174.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2021 8:19 AM
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Art,please explain what is so special about the LLC, my experience is that my LLC and I personally get sued. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Lance Mauro [NY]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2021 11:25 AM
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I drive a pickup truck with ladder racks. Have my company name on a magnetic label on the rear of the truck. I wear a polo shirt with my company name and logo when going to properties. Wear a vest in the winter with the name and logo as well. Never would drive my Jaguar F Pace or Porsche 911 4 to any properties.... We strive to give a professional appearance to tell residents and tenants that we are a corporation that manages multiple properties. We also make repairs and respond within a couple of hours as necessary.

Thanks Lance (Buffalo, NY) --72.228.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2021 1:00 PM
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for those of you who have multiple accounts with a single agent, but the agent list 10 properties on on deck page......

what happens when you get sued on one of those accounts and they ask you for the deck page --24.101.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2021 1:03 PM
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You get sued on all of them --73.120.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Honey [LA]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2021 1:32 PM
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It's said that you can tell what a man is worth by the automobile his wife drives. So, the little woman doesn't go cruising in the 'hood', ya know! You really can't hide too much from tenants that have been renting from you for a long time. And you want your good tenants to stay a long time, and you just keep telling yourself, "It's strickly Bussiness", while you refer to yourself as "MISTER so 'n so", thank you...

--174.69.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by JB [OH]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2021 3:44 PM
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I go in whatever vehicle is available. Usually in a shirt and tie. I always say I'm just helping out the group that owns the property. I notice that makes them disinterested. --24.123.x.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2021 12:45 AM
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This thread is almost hilarious. I did not get into business to walk with my head down, wear sloppy clothes, and drive a beater.

I got in this to build wealth and live a FREE!!! lifestyle.

Props are not in my name. We use The UPS Store mailing address for EVERYTHING. Many teased me about this for years but it allows a level of anonymity.

When someone asks I tell them we are PROPERTY MANAGERS for various investors. I am the MANAGER. It's true - *I* don't own the props, the entities - Roth IRA, 401K, LLCs, trusts OWN the props.

I dress casual-professional when signing leases and going to the bank or court.

And I drive my Porsche.

Nicole - a Porsche is the perfect investment! When I start it my heart starts pumping and my blood pressure goes down! There is also a HUGE satisfaction factor rather than climbing into a beater.

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2021 10:49 AM
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...a Porsche is the perfect investment! When I start it my heart starts pumping and my blood pressure goes down!...

My cousin was right with you. When he was getting ready to retire he purchased a porsche boxster. He absolutely loved the thing. Not too much later he became ill. His kids would put him in it and drive him around a little. It became too difficult to get in and out of the vehicle and a car ride was too rough for him. Much later, he told his wife it was the best purchase he ever made and those few years gave him tremendous joy. Must be a guy thing !!! --98.237.xxx.xx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Birdman [CO]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2021 12:58 PM
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The less my Tenants know about me the better. I have had Tenants check out on a multi state BG check and yet they are nasty when the rent is late. One Tenant the was making edged weapons in the basement. I have had Tenants that were upset about a late fee wait for me at the community mailbox to ambush me with tirades.

I have a Revocable Trust and a large Liability Policy to help protect me. I also carry a Licensed concealed weapon. --162.142.xx.xxx




Hiding in Plain Site (by Mark [MA]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2021 7:46 PM
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I know some landlords that I swear walk around with their figurative chests pushed out and their thumbs behind their suspenders posturing in effect "look what I own".

Myself, I don't need to do that and keep a low profile.

I HAVE been able to move in a very nice big house in a very nice neighborhood, My neighbors, my relatives and most of my friends don't know of my properties. Can they find it out? Yea but it would be difficult. As far as some that ask what I do,..I manage properties which is certainly true. --66.30.xx.xxx





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