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Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 23, 2021 3:04 AM
       Energy poverty (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 23, 2021 9:42 AM
       Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 23, 2021 12:41 PM
       Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 23, 2021 2:53 PM
       Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 23, 2021 3:01 PM
       Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 23, 2021 4:52 PM
       Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 23, 2021 5:19 PM
       Energy poverty (by NE [PA]) Sep 23, 2021 5:21 PM
       Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 23, 2021 6:47 PM
       Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 23, 2021 9:58 PM

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Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 3:04 AM

The EU and Australia along with large increases in electricity in the province of Ontario forced people into energy poverty. While moving to green energy is great goal the people at the lower end do not have the funds to retrofit houses to bring down energy costs by adding more insulation. Tenants living in rental units in the province of Ontario in rental units that electric baseboard were effected. Seniors living on a fixed pension income were also effected. It is really difficult here to rent anything with electric baseboard heat. Slowly at the house starting to install more spray foam in the walls and ceiling where already see the effects of upgrading insulation. A very tight envelop low heat transfer all year round. This year installing a new EPA wood stove where can get wood for free where the older stove is starting to show signs of wear. This election has shown me how oblivious the socialist are to tenants issues along with arrogance that everyone is stupid. If you are paying a carbon tax then there is less money to buy spray foam kits then less money to do other upgrades. The best decision at the house was to install a natural gas stove, natural gas dryer and demand natural gas water heater where every month paying $50 per month for electricity. The wood stove can heat the entire house where if out of wood can use the high efficiency gas furnace. Energy efficiency upgrades where one project at time will pay off. The socialist here call it global energy where one asks where the energy is coming from. Australia also has black outs as there was insufficient supply. The two coal fired electric power stations were closed down in the province of Ontario where they are using gas fired in peak demand times.

Energy poverty (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 9:42 AM

Long term, you can probably be expecting bans on wood stoves.

Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 12:41 PM

If wood stoves are banned then by that time will have the insulation upgraded where very heat will be required. Would never have a wood stove in a rental home. This election really realized how obvious the socialists are about the everyday reality of people who live here.

Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 2:53 PM

Just curious, what is the cost of living there compared to the US?

Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 3:01 PM

What is the wage difference?

Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 4:52 PM

A average vehicle will cost more then $3,000 dollars even if the vehicle was built in Canada. Us dealers will not sell new vehicles to Canadians. The dollar is approximately 0.75 per cent of the US. It costs around $1.30 to $1.40 per litre where truck takes 80 litres for a full tank. Taxes are higher then in the Us where there is universal health care so any visit to the doctor, hospital is covered. Just had five sessions of physiotherapy where no cost along with certain medications are subsidized. Minimum wage in Ontario is $15 dollars per hour where some wages are higher. Groceries are more expensive then compared to Us. To buy a modest house on the street on where I live starts at $750,000 plus where if go further south to the Greater Toronto Area including suburbs a million plus. Most the apartment rental units are further north that use electric baseboard heat where it is common here further south heat is included in rent where electricity in smaller buildings is not. A lot things are metric so a conversion to US Measurements where water, sewage charges is in cubic meters and natural gas is in cubic meters. In the eighties imperial measure was replaced with metric units. Where at the hardware store they are still using imperial measurement. A hybrid metric system. What trying to point out here as the move to cleaner energy they need to take in account people who are unable to upgrade insulation, windows along with installing a higher efficiency heating units. Raising the price will force people not to heat homes properly or force to cut other essentials. In the house using a high efficiency furnace, demand water heater which does not store hot water. Once the faucet is opened the water heater fires up. Present pick up will use 10 litres for every 100 kilometres which is standard measurement in most countries. The lower the amount of litres the further on a full tank of gasoline. Now using the wood stove which takes out the dampness of the house where picked up some free wood today. Before the land border was closed could go into a store in Niagara Falls New York then buy case of Canadian beer for less then half the cost of here as taxes are less. Even with a Canadian dollar would still come out ahead. Vehicles here are very close to the Us except the speedometer is in kilometres per hour and distance as well. Daytime running lights have been here a long time where now becoming common in the Us.

Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 5:19 PM

Thank you Robert.

When I was in high school there was a body shop down the road. The owner of the body shop showed me a 70's model truck that was a Mercury. The pickup's here that were Fords were Fords, so seeing a Mercury pickup was unusual. I did a little research once and learned that the body panels on the Ford pickups in the US would be just a little shorter then those on the same year Ford pickups in Canada. Otherwise, the same vehicle. I found that interesting. I like learning about the automotive world.

Energy poverty (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 5:21 PM

They won’t get rid of wood stoves. They’ll just require a permit for use or issue a fine for no permit.

Energy poverty (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 6:47 PM

Robert, what might you find to be a solution to moving towards green energy while not forcing people into energy poverty?

Energy poverty (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 9:58 PM

The solution is simple provide people with grants to upgrade buildings so when the price of energy goes up the buildings can be insulated, heating equipment upgraded to high efficiency, windows upgraded to triple pane. Include rental housing providers with grants instead vilifying non sense about large profits as many tenants who live rental units are low income. Basically it is possible to build or convert a building to net zero where no connection to the grid as the building is super insulated so minimal heat loss or heat gain where energy can be solar panels. Found from experience that all inclusive is not way to go as when tenants pay and control heat they have all windows closed tight in the winter. Every time a upgrade was done to a building then amount of energy used was reduced. One apartment building had two block walls where there was spray foam between the blocks where if someone lived below me I did not even turn the heat during the winter as the heat came from below. R 50 was in the ceiling. One thing learned during the pandemic is the extreme that came out for rental housing providers from the left wing extremists groups. Some countries are looking at using hydrogen for energy where it is possible to make a gas boiler that uses hydrogen instead of natural gas as the infrastructure is already there. The new wood stove puts out 4.5 g/h as the tubes about the fire box there is secondary combustion where more complete burning where once at operating temperature there is no smoke from the chimney which is double wall from the stove to the top. Although the stove was manufactured in Canada they use the Us EPA rating here to measure pollution levels. Eventually low efficiency water heaters with open flue are going to be no longer available. In the end why does a building require a HVAC is the result of heat loss and heat gain where once there is no heat loss or heat gain then a HVAC is no longer required.

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