Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 18, 2021 7:31 PM
Seriously??? (by J [FL]) Sep 18, 2021 7:39 PM
Seriously??? (by J [FL]) Sep 18, 2021 8:02 PM
Seriously??? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Sep 18, 2021 10:07 PM
Seriously??? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 18, 2021 10:07 PM
Seriously??? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 18, 2021 10:11 PM
Seriously??? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 18, 2021 10:19 PM
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 18, 2021 10:21 PM
Seriously??? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Sep 18, 2021 10:24 PM
Seriously??? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 19, 2021 12:01 AM
Seriously??? (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 19, 2021 12:19 AM
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 19, 2021 2:27 AM
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 19, 2021 2:46 AM
Seriously??? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Sep 19, 2021 12:14 PM
Seriously??? (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 19, 2021 12:42 PM
Seriously??? (by MC [PA]) Sep 19, 2021 5:25 PM
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 19, 2021 5:43 PM
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 19, 2021 5:43 PM
Seriously??? (by Lucy [IN]) Sep 19, 2021 5:51 PM
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 19, 2021 5:52 PM
Seriously??? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 19, 2021 8:46 PM
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 19, 2021 11:08 PM
Seriously??? (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 20, 2021 12:20 AM
Seriously??? (by Still Learning [NH]) Sep 20, 2021 8:28 AM
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 20, 2021 9:14 AM
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 20, 2021 9:36 AM
Seriously??? (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 20, 2021 10:22 AM
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 7:31 PM Message:
Thoroughly vetted newbie as of September 1 failed to mention moving in a boyfriend on her application. We're counting the days he's been there day and night, and feat he's moved a stove into the loft that we only allow specific cooking appliances for fire safety.
Although most of our tenants view us as parents when they need advice, we mostly stay out of their lives. But when they live behind you and you're working in the garage and a large box (the size of a stove) drops off a Home Depot truck by accident and hear the boyfriend who droopped it loudly proclaim, "oh no" you look up! And then the box that couldn't possibly fit through the hall space to the loft unless the railing was disassembled, goes through the back door...SORTA BLONDE, have you ever??? I know your tenants are in your back yard?
...and now we've seen the boyfriend let himself into the common hallway several times.Our neighbor has ADT and ring that record his garage and the vehicles parked at our building and we'll likely have that footage and the dates should we need to have them removed. No problem him visiting but the lease is clear, no guests beyond 2 weeks without express permission.
Went through 150+ to find a stellar newbie and then some....we're hoping all this is innocent, but reports from another in the building are not looking good.
OMG, any chance I'll get them out? We will need to remove the A/C and get in the unit for our annual sewer cleaning maintenance, so will have even more evidence at that time.
Comments, suggestions, commisrating, stories, support requested please. This is the unit that the squatter just moved out of...seriously.
--75.11.xx.xx |
Seriously??? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 7:39 PM Message:
Dee Ann,
Did you approve the boyfriend and run an app on him? Do you want him there?
I'd figure out what to do about him first, and then deal with the stove. Or deal with them both simultaneously.
I've this happen before and I turned a blind eye to it, but it was usually after someone had been in the unit for awhile and broken up with the original SO and then moved another one in without asking me. But your tenant lied from the start. That's bothersome. And quite frankly they don't seem very bright since they live behind you and you can see that all of this is going on.
--72.188.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 8:02 PM Message:
To clarify, I'd give notice that I'm coming by to inspect the unit and then post a cure or quit notice about removing the stove, if the stove is present in the unit and your lease bans them from bringing in appliances...and I'd have a talk with her about the boyfriend and find out what's going on. It doesn't sound like he's been in there 14 days yet? So technically she may not be in violation of the lease yet? --72.188.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:07 PM Message:
Ah yes, Dee Ann! Having my rentals directly behind me, down a common driveway and parking area is tons of fun. I see practically everything even when I'm not trying to. It has its good and bad points. As to this 'boyfriend'. I changed my rental agreement after the last tenants kept taking in 'strays'. Usually family members 'in need of a temporary place to stay'. So with the new guys, I wrote it into the contract that anyone staying more than 3 consecutive nights, would be paying 10 bucks a night per person. I explained that before we signed the contract. So when MOM appeared and seemed to be staying, I approached and told them that if she was staying (she said due to her cousin having a covid scare), that I would be collecting the 10 bucks a night. They paid and I now have a new permanent tenant at 300 bucks a month extra. Of course you have to actually MEET the 'new guy' and see if you can live with them and have them added to the rental agreement. If not, just charge the 10 a night and that might make them think twice about staying over. I also insisted that the newbie either leave after 30 days or become a tenant. I lucked out with this family. All nice people. I'm doing OK. --174.65.xxx.xx |
Seriously??? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:07 PM Message:
Dee Ann,
What does your lease say about these issues?
Such things are written in a proper lease.
Unathorized occupants, unauthorized appliances...
Sure take photos of the interior, the detective stuff, but you KNOW what's happening. AND more!
I send a text to remove the extra occupant and the appliance within 3 days to avoid sheriff eviction.
"Susie, This is your only notice to remove the stove and the unauthorized person by noon Wednesday. If you do not comply the only other legal remedy is sheriff eviction."
BRAD
--73.102.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:11 PM Message:
Another thought...
I would call the delivery manager at HD and tell him the story.
BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:19 PM Message:
You are standing right there watching this? Why didn't you ask him who he is and what he is doing. You could have stopped the stove before it got into the house. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:21 PM Message:
You are correct J (FL); we are approaching the 14 day area, not in violation yet. I am hoping that in being proactive, I will have evidence if needed. I have two other excellent ladies in the building, one of which has voiced concerns and she is a long termer.
Sorry to hear you went through this too. Excellent idea about maintenance--I have thought of two fall maintenance issues to address as we wait for the October rent check and 14 days.
I thought the same about doing it right in front of us. Previous tenant in same unit did it w/her boyfriend, but he had his own place and she stayed there part time, he stayed at hers part time, and everyone in the building had been introduced to him...but I wasn't dumb enough to believe all the laundry coming into the building was just hers...
To be continued... --75.11.xx.xx |
Seriously??? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:24 PM Message:
Your have seen the stove and the bf so nip it in the bud. If you want to allow him tell her to pony up more rent, and get his ID and run a report. My lease says extra person is 100 a month.
I used to roll my eyes at ll here who count the days a bf or extra person is in the unit and stress about it if goes over 14 days in a month. Recently someone mentioned their lease mentions if an extra person is present more than 14 days in a year. I can get behind that and might put something like that in my lease. Then I have discretion to enforce UT. I already have language that says the extra person had to show proof of address. --172.58.xx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 12:01 AM Message:
If a tenant buys another stove it is theirs where you can keep the stove provided with the rental unit then store it. Absolutely no rent deduction for a any appliances, work or anything else where the line is drawn. Tenants are renting a space where if they wanted all the upgrades they would buying their house or condominium. It maybe a time to install a security camera system in the building as criminals do not want to be on camera where drug dealers will avoid the building. A controlled entrance is great upgrade to a apartment building where it keeps a lot of people out. --99.236.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 12:19 AM Message:
I had a tenant do something similar. I took an 8 unit building and remodeled it from top to bottom. Instead of having a small galley kitchen, I removed two closets and a wall and make a huge kitchen with a dinning area.
One tenant wanted to throw out my 18cu' refrigerator and bring in their old 22cu' frig and their wash/dryer set--even though the building had a laundry room.
The front doors to these unit I had installed security metal screen doors, not wide enough for a larger refrigerator. So when I noticed the security door was missing and the door frame was cut larger, I knocked on the door and found they doing a washing load.
I gave them a 5 day notice to repair the damage, done by a professional, or move out. I ended up evicting this tenant and suing them in small claims court for the damage. I won both cases. The lease did not allow for modifications and the work they did terrible not to code. --47.155.xx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 2:27 AM Message:
Whoah, some good stories and good lease additions to clarify what happens when a guest overstays their welcome!
OREGON, SMALL: To clarify, I did not see this happening, my hubby did, and did nothing. Same as when the squatter was moving in. He saw it and when I arrived from another unit emergency, he told me people were moving alot of furniture and boxes into the unit where someone was supposed to be moving things out of. Hubby walked right past the boyfriend moving things in, eventually came in our house and told me. This happened once at another building. Hubby came home to tell me 5 huge guys (brothers of the lady moving in, were hoisting a huge and heavy trunk up onto a porch and then moving it inside the house, three on the porch above and two on the bottom pushing from the botton of the trunk. And two dogs (no pets allowed) were running up and down the interior stairs. Sounds funny now, but at the time. I yelled "stop right there"! You cannot hoist things up over the porch fence! Sorry I digress. MY BAD for not training my husband the art of confrontation. By the time I hear about it, it's done and has to be undone.
ROBERT (Ontario) We just got done replacing the entrance motion detector to a dusk to dawn light with a motion sensor that brightens when it senses motion, which is how we noticed boyfriend sneaking in after dark.
ROBERT J (CA) Had a similar situation where the person moving in did not want my smaller fridge (meant to discourage a crowd of people moving in). So she hired movers to move her larger fridge in and move mine to the garage. I was fuming...lucky for me it worked out in the end. I sold my smaller fridge for $75 and when she moved I bought her larger, nicer fridge for $100, so an upgrade for $25 and no movers to contend with.
J (FL) I have not met the boyfriend. Saw him from a distance and didn't know he was a boyfriend at the time. I haven't vetted him; don't even know his name. The unit was rented to a single woman. This is a long standing building with women only living there for years, one in each unit. So no, we don't want him there and neither do the other two women, hubby went over to talk to one of them and assure her that boyfriend is not on the lease and his coming and going with a key was not authorized and we would be addressing it.
BRAD: I notified the tenant that we will be doing sewer maintenance and removing the window A/C soon. I want to verify that it was a stove that went into the unit. If so, your notice was well worded and will follow up with that. --176.113.xx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 2:46 AM Message:
When I give newbie notice to perform maintenance to the building and her unit, I'll ask her to be there. I noticed he did go home tonite. But he lets himself in with a key.
Is it too much to ask someone to come to the door of a common hallway to let him in and accompany him or any other visitors and do the same when they leave? Any tenant that sees him alone in the hall knows he has a key.
This isn't a building like Jerry Seinfeld lived in where you can just buzz someone in...you need a key. --176.113.xx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 12:14 PM Message:
Keys...I have a clause in the rental agreement that anyone possessing a key to the house may be considered a 'tenant' and be asked to sign the rental agreement or other actions on my part. Other than the 'emergency contact' person of course. Also have a clause that no one is to be in the house while the tenants are not home (unless prior approval by Landlord). So what did my previous tenants do? No keys given out to all their friends BUT they opened a back window, put a kitchen chair under the window in the back yard, and their friends freely came and went. So much for the 'rules'. No matter what safeguards we try, the tenants will always find a way to thwart our efforts. --174.65.xxx.xx |
Seriously??? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 12:42 PM Message:
Your tenant issues are one thing but there are also serious spouse/partner/business issues. If he can't speak up when he sees something going on at his properties that he knows is wrong, something needs to change ... only you two can figure that out. --98.237.xxx.xx |
Seriously??? (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 5:25 PM Message:
No key. I would change that communal lock and give each tenant their own key. NO copies to be given out. Each tenant has your number and hubby's in case they are locked out. BF should no longer have access to a key. On top of everything else, he could be waiting for other tenants.. No lease, no key. Give her notice to have the situation taken care of by X date or she can go also for lease violations. At this point, I would want them gone for lying. It only goes further downhill.. --73.230.xxx.xx |
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 5:43 PM Message:
Sorta Blonde, I like this:
"I have a clause in the rental agreement that anyone possessing a key to the house may be considered a 'tenant' and be asked to sign the rental agreement or other actions on my part. Other than the 'emergency contact' person of course." --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 5:43 PM Message:
Because keys DO indicate possession! --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Lucy [IN]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 5:51 PM Message:
MC has a good idea. Landlord locks have keys that can be ordered with the lock that says "Do Not Duplicate" so they can't make copies and give them out. --64.184.xx.xx |
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 5:52 PM Message:
How's this?
If Housing Provider has reason to believe that there is an unauthorized occupant, the burden will be on Renter to produce proof of their residency elsewhere. If Renter gives someone other than an Emergency Contact named in their Rental Application a key without authorization by the Housing Provider, they will be considered an unauthorized occupant. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 8:46 PM Message:
Wanta get rid of the bum? Next time you see him there alone, ask him if he plans on staying there longer than the last boyfriend who was there only four weeks before coming down with some terminal illness --24.101.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 11:08 PM Message:
Ray: THat's good!
Lucy: Even if the key says "Do not Duplicate" there are do it yourself key machines (Big Box Stores, some Home Depot, some Menards, other stores?) that will duplicate a key. You put your credit card in to pay and your key in and get a duplicate.
MC: Yes, our concern is exactly he could be waiting for or running into other ladies in the hallway, who would certainly be quite surprised to see an unaccompanied male in the hallway. --23.227.xxx.xx |
Seriously??? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2021 12:20 AM Message:
So often I see another side than the same old party line I see on here so often.
Duplicate key stamp - they can't make it in most of the do it yourself boxes because they don't offer that type of blank. Can you go to a smaller key shop that doesn't care? absolutely.
Proof of living somewhere else via utility bill, lease, DL, etc., is really no proof at all. Every time someone shacks up with someone new they don't necessarily give up living somewhere else and certainly don't change DL address - they keep that a constant at a relative, stable friend, etc., address. Everyone has a "fiance" and some seem to change them like the rest of us change socks. --98.237.xxx.xx |
Seriously??? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2021 8:28 AM Message:
This makes me thankful I don’t live next to my tenants. I don’t want to know what they are doing and who is coming and going on a daily basis. I have one building with a common hallway. When purchased the doors didn’t secure. There are now locks with codes, so everyone gets their own code and yes they can give that code out. We had one issue where we ended up having no trespass orders served against a tenant’s friend that caused damage and changed that code. It is not my job to patrol who comes and goes unless there are issues and there are security cameras to capture that. If someone isn’t comfortable with who they might meet in a common hallway then they should rent an apartment with a private entrance. Even living on property, you can not control everything. Unless I misread what you said it sounds like you try to promise your female tenants safety. You can screen really well and then someone can go off the deep end. Someone could break in through a window and then be waiting in the common hallway. Yes, it is your job to follow your lease and try to provide a safe environment, but none of us can control everything. --75.67.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2021 9:14 AM Message:
STILL LEARNING: I wish we weren't so close. It was a foreclosure we couldn't pass up years ago. There are pros and cons we are thankful for.
Yes, we are proactive with safety for all our residents. Not being able to control everything, these days I don't feel you can be safe enough. Years ago the people who lived downstairs from us had guests who got curious. They walked right into our private entrance, who knows, our basement? Unfortunately, all our buildings have a common hall.
The takeaway Mr. LL's group is the collaborative minds and ideas I can learn from and adjust accordingly. Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas. --162.255.xx.xx |
Seriously??? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2021 9:36 AM Message:
As Nicole said, you can't duplicate Landlord Locks keys at the big box stores - we've tried just for kicks. They don't carry the blanks.
And THAT is where the effort will end for 99% of tenants who are so inclined, I bet. Most will think the "Do Not Duplicate" stamp will stop a real locksmith from doing it for them (and actually, it might without a good story.)
However, half of our tenants - maybe more - don't lock their doors anyway. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Seriously??? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2021 10:22 AM Message:
I was at a copying/shipping place years ago - mom and pop shop kind of like UPS/FE but not corporate owned. They had a key rack on the counter with "decorative' keys. I took out my master key, clearly marked "DO NOT DUPLICATE" and asked for a Pittsburgh Steelers key and something else. He did it without hesitating. I know he was the owner (or one of the owners) and not jut a kid working the counter. I politely told him what he did wrong, he stared at me, I never went back. They are out of business. --98.237.xxx.xx |
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