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Liars (by Pat [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 9:54 AM
       Liars (by Jason [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 10:08 AM
       Liars (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 16, 2021 10:25 AM
       Liars (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 16, 2021 10:29 AM
       Liars (by J [FL]) Sep 16, 2021 10:34 AM
       Liars (by Pat [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 10:59 AM
       Liars (by J [FL]) Sep 16, 2021 11:10 AM
       Liars (by plenty [MO]) Sep 16, 2021 11:33 AM
       Liars (by Jason [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 11:39 AM
       Liars (by WMH [NC]) Sep 16, 2021 11:45 AM
       Liars (by SHAUN [FL]) Sep 16, 2021 12:05 PM
       Liars (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 16, 2021 12:42 PM
       Liars (by Vee [OH]) Sep 16, 2021 12:47 PM
       Liars (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 16, 2021 1:39 PM
       Liars (by Bonanza [NC]) Sep 16, 2021 1:50 PM
       Liars (by Pat [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 2:40 PM
       Liars (by Jason [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 2:54 PM
       Liars (by J [FL]) Sep 16, 2021 6:48 PM
       Liars (by SHAUN [FL]) Sep 16, 2021 7:23 PM
       Liars (by Pat [VA]) Sep 16, 2021 8:37 PM
       Liars (by J [FL]) Sep 16, 2021 9:04 PM
       Liars (by MC [PA]) Sep 17, 2021 6:09 AM
       Liars (by plenty [MO]) Sep 17, 2021 8:15 AM
       Liars (by PG [SC]) Sep 17, 2021 10:02 AM
       Liars (by Busy [WI]) Sep 17, 2021 4:10 PM
       Liars (by Pat [VA]) Sep 17, 2021 8:14 PM

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Liars (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:54 AM

Not really used to this, had a glowing character reference from a trusted acquaintance on a young woman that had just completed her nursing course but had been working at the local hospital as a dietary aide for the past several months.

I didn't bother to verify her BF's employment (big mistake!) and we noticed he has been at unit since they moved in. So I started getting that bad gut feeling and called today, yep, hasn't been employed there since July 15th! So..... my application that they signed says if they lie it is grounds to cancel lease agreement.

I'm hoping he will get another job & it will be a moot point but he had a power washer he had bought & indicated he was going to be working on the "side". That's not going to cut it. If they are seriously thinking it will pay off, I mean.

Would you contact her & say, "Hey, I checked & I know the truth?" Or just let it play out and get ready for the pay or quit & eviction?

Liars (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:08 AM

If you've already executed a lease with them, you're going to have a hard time finding a judge to side with you. Just like going into a real estate transaction, it's on you to do your due diligence.

I wouldn't say a word to the tenant letting them know "that you know". Because honestly why would you? If her boyfriend being employed was a precondition to getting accepted, you should have verified THEN, not now.

They have possession of your property. At this point, nobody's employment status is any of your business. If the rent doesn't get paid, take action. Until then, don't get this involved in your tenants' lives.

Liars (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:25 AM

Agree. I assume her pay is enough to pay the rent or you wouldn't have rented to them.

Liars (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:29 AM

Fist mistake is that you do not accept glowing references from an acquaintance. People can be wonderful to go and drink a beer with and yet be a lousy tenant. Unless the "acquaintance" is a landlord who had this person as his own tenant, his reference isn't worth much.

Liars (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:34 AM

Agree with Woodsmoke, character references are just air. What counts is hard facts -- what's on the credit report, income, etc.

Liars (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:59 AM

She'd already popped up and asked me if she could get a cat. I sure am glad I said no. But I bet she lied about that too when I asked her if she already had it, and why hadn't it come up before?

I think this is the catalyst for me signing up for the tenant check on here. I really should have known when she said they couldn't find a place to rent to them w/o a co-signer. We have given young people a chance before & it turned out ok but not always.

Liars (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 11:10 AM

You need to start doing a real background check on people or you'll keep getting burned.

Liars (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 11:33 AM

You are the Landlord, not a lie detector machine. No i wouldn't contact them to tell them you know something that they already know. Time to go to lunch and enjoy life, rent is paid, property kept up, get a hobby --172.58.xx.xx

Liars (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 11:39 AM

Pat, with all due respect I think you need to re-analyze your entire process. From your "turnovers" thread, you indicated

"One left because they had rendered our uninhabitable! One was evicted. One did not give a reason or forwarding address.... One has rented from us for 6 years, caused a ruckus with the neighbors ... "

Troubled tenants sneak past the best of us every now and then, but this seems to be more than anybody's normal.

On average, For every 120 or so people that show interest in my properties, one will get an offer. Don't be afraid to hold out, good tenants are out there. Look for a reason to REJECT, not a reason to accept. If you've tried every which way to reject the applicant and you can't find a reason to, then and only then is it time to accept.

Liars (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 11:45 AM

Pat, Jason is right.

I could find someone to say good thing about every single person on this beach. Everyone has lived here forever and has family and's a Facebook Lovefest on the Housing Groups.

I actively avoid those people and look for the new people moving here with the GOOD jobs and the REAL references and the ACTUAL money to move it.

Liars (by SHAUN [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 12:05 PM

I wouldn't say a word to them...

But I would start documenting.

Basically, note date, time, brief summary of every interaction/conversation, observation and suspected/possible lease violation.

Several LL will state they have better things to do with their time. But if or when you finally have to enlist legal help, you will be glad you took the time. Not to mention your attorney will love you.

Liars (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 12:42 PM

It is common here where some people collect welfare who are able to work where they continue to work under the table. In the meantime change out the furnace filter then see what the condition of the rental home is. The one out of three odds of getting a problem tenant are always with us. It is like a Cinderella story where suddenly the clock has struck twelve. As long as she does not move out then it may work out. If she moves out then the eviction process will begin. I remember when a progressive Conservative government was voted in the province of Ontario who was going to get tough on welfare where workfare was the norm where over a period of four years they cut the welfare numbers in half where three strikes you are out. Had a squatter in a rental unit where the tenants who were in rent arrears moved out then let this squatter in. The welfare manager gave her business card two weeks before where in the building people complained about drug smell. Had to wait for sheriff to arrive but when the manager came out to the rental unit the squatter was cut off welfare where two months later seen the squatter in work clothes going to work. It took four truck loads to the dump. The leftist anti poverty activist said it was inhuman to cut people who were cheating on welfare to be cut off. Inhuman they have to go to work like everyone else.

Liars (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 12:47 PM

As you have indicated the real blame is the person you see when you brush your teeth, before accepting them you said 3 faults that would be a no-go and you allowed this to happen, I would enforce the lease clause on unauthorized animals and let them both figure out what to do.

Liars (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:39 PM

I remember when an applicant put down his new employment, chief, from a long term employed computer input specialist.

So I asked a dumb question, "How do you boil an egg"? By his answer, "Chief" meant flipping burgers at McDonalds.

Liars (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:50 PM

"Look for a reason to REJECT, not a reason to accept"

This strikes a cord with me. I'm putting it on my screening form.

Liars (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 2:40 PM

She sent me pictures of big hornets dead on the porch. I never saw any when I was working there, so maybe already laying groundwork for a lawsuit. Maybe I should put on my screening form in the future, "Are you allergic to bees?"

Possibly I can start collecting snakes and when people stop paying, just unlock the door in the middle of the night and throw a dang basketful in the floor & lock the door back!

No more lengthy waits for a court date!

(Rinse & repeat if necessary!)

I do seem to be a drama magnet. The ones I want don't want me, and the ones that want me (our properties) I don't want.

Liars (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 2:54 PM

Why are we worried about bees now? Are you personally stinging her?

Your lease addresses pests, does it not? Hornets are pests. Drama only happens when it has an outlet. When that outlet goes away, so does the drama.

Liars (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 6:48 PM

Ground work for a lawsuit? I doubt it. Sounds more like a PITA tenant.

There's not much you can do except enforce the lease if they violate the terms. Maybe offer the happy clause if they keep asking for dumb stuff and complaining? I certainly wouldn't allow them to get a cat, they may not have the money to take care of it properly.

Liars (by SHAUN [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 7:23 PM

"pictures of big hornets dead on the porch"

But no pictures live ones or the nest.

If they are dead how did they die? If she killed them-send her note telling her what great job she did.

Liars (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:37 PM

I always cringe for a few days after a new tenant moves in. There always seems to be a "settling in" period until they become use to sounds, smells and the feel of the new place.

I honestly told her that I had not seen any of those Japanese or European hornets (yellow/orange striped, large bodies). I had seen some yellow jackets. These hornets are common in the woods, they live in dying trees, enter & exit the base of the tree. They are huge and can inflict a painful sting.

I always feel like asking when showing this property, if they are afraid of snakes and spiders? Because you can bet there will be both around.

Not real sure what people expect you to do about nature, I don't own it and can't control it.

Liars (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:04 PM

This tenant is either a) neurotic or b) hoping they can parlay these bogus complaints into some kind of concession from you on another issue, like being allowed to bring the cat.

Either way, it's best not to simply respond -- nothing good will come from engaging with them on this.

Liars (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 6:09 AM

May need a surprise visit to see the hornets and cat. Move forward on that depending on your findings.

Should have checked all applicants before renting.

Liars (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 8:15 AM

MC, might be a good idea to be in the neighborhood and stop by for the much needed porch experience. She very well may have several problems you can solve for her. Wink. Wink.

Liars (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 10:02 AM


You must have the - patience of Job. What sort of renter sends a pic of some dead hornets on the porch? Most others suggest not talking to the tenant. Over the years I have had success talking to tenants. Go talk to this renter and let her know about the lie. Use the time to see exactly what sort of tenant you are dealing with AND take someone with you. DO NOT do it alone or maybe record the session.

In the future SCREEN - SCREEN - SCREEN. Prospects LIE it is your job to catch them in a lie BEFORE they move in. As others have noted Look to Reject - Do Not get in a hurry to rent a vacant unit. When screening Look for Red Flags and acknowledge the red flags.

Good Luck

Liars (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 4:10 PM

Tenant is paying rent, not having police calls, gets along (well enough) with neighbors? Then itís mostly a waiting game, be ready to act if they are late in rent. I , personally, donít mind a bit of late rent, but I send a text with simply Rent? ( thx Sid, I think I got that from you). If itís late another time, then I tell them they MUST text me before rent is late, and have a date they will pay. I then either approve the new date, or give them a shorter timeline. If there is another (second) change to deposit date, then they must text again, and pay another late fee ( first late fee $25, second is $10, so thirty five in a month. More than that, well, they are moving!)

Jobs change, even if tenants lie or donít lie. The thing is how does she go forward. Asking about the cat was a good sign, in my opinion. She thought to ask. Me? I do allow pets, but tenants must keep it clean. (It- house, yard, litter box, tank , petís space)

Hornets, wasps, bees, anything in the Hymenoptera order are very prolific this year. I made a successful wasp and fly trap following a video on YouTube. ( donít remember the name of the video, but it was done by a Catholic priest, using dishsoap and cat food)

Tenants, well, MY tenants, ask me about things like wasps because they know I often have clever solutions, AND they donít want to do things improperly and cause damage. Pests can be tricky, and some methods to treat/cure can be worse than the pest themselves. Just ask the landlords whose tenants burned down the buildings trying to treat bedbugs. I say schedule a visit and give some advice. Thatís probably all the tenant was looking for-just some reassurance that sheís handling it properly.

Liars (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 8:14 PM

I do try to be patient but I have my limits, hubby on the other hand is pretty patient all of the time. I really like this young lady and I do hope it works out.

But we have agreed that if they are late we are going to serve the pay or quit notice, partly because of the new Va law about the 14 day instead of 5 now and also because of knowing on one job it is probably going to go sour.

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