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LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2021 9:58 PM
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South Florida landlord requires new tenants and those renewing their leases to be vaccinated

By Leyla Santiago and Dan Shepherd, CNN

Updated 9:28 PM ET, Wed September 15, 2021

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(CNN)A South Florida landlord is requiring new tenants over the age of 18 or any adult tenants who want to renew a lease in one of the 1,200 units he manages to provide proof of a Covid-19 vaccination.

Santiago Alvarez told CNN he has no plan to change his rule despite threats from Gov. Ron DeSantis to fine businesses that require proof of vaccination.

Alvarez said he made the decision a month ago after seeing too many of his tenants die from Covid-19.

"I think my decision was right, and I will defend it any way I can. If I get fined, I will go to court with it," he told CNN.

The landlord also requires his employees be fully vaccinated. He told CNN he has two employees and two tenants that have left as a result of his vaccination policies.

Alvarez, who said he has voted Republican for a long time, said he is not a DeSantis fan and urges the governor to follow the science, not the polls.

DeSantis has made it clear that he does not support mask and vaccine mandates, citing personal choice as a greater priority.

New York City now enforcing Covid-19 vaccine requirement for most indoor activities

New York City now enforcing Covid-19 vaccine requirement for most indoor activities

"These mandates are overreaches, and they will be very destructive for a lot of really, really good people," DeSantis said Tuesday.

The governor announced this week he will fine county and city governments requiring employees to get vaccinated against Covid-19, threatening a $5,000 fine per violation.

Alvarez said he has about 80 to 100 tenants in Broward and Miami-Dade counties with lease renewals coming up soon.

He said he is willing to be flexible with tenants who don't want to provide proof of vaccination, but also don't have anywhere to go. He will consider a lease extension on a month-to-month basis with higher rent.

"I don't want to put them on the streets, but I don't want them to be a danger to my tenants, or to my employees," Alvarez said.

DeSantis' press secretary, Christina Pushaw, noted that the Florida Department of Health's rule enforcing a ban on vaccine passports takes effect Thursday.

"Under Florida law, people cannot be required to show vaccine passports as a condition of entry or service," she said.

There is a $5,000 fine for each violation.

"Mr. Alvarez and all who agree with him should be informed that vaccinated people can still transmit COVID to others, although they're protected against severe illness," she added. "The idea of requiring vaccine passports is unscientific and will not achieve 'lower cases.' Without mandates, cases are dropping rapidly in Florida on their own."

--24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2021 10:00 PM
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I have been waiting for some time to see this come.

I would love to hear your thoughts --24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2021 10:20 PM
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I hope he gets sued into oblivion and the ones against it leave him with about 80% vacancy. Or worse ;). --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2021 10:23 PM
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Ray,

Well, heís not asking for a vax PASSPORT as the press secretary stated.

Pondering how this fits into Fair Housing law - reasonable accommodation for disability? Religious exemption? Maybe Hipparchus laws?

Interesting.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2021 10:23 PM
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Slippery slope. Why not require proof of HPV vaccine or a negative HIV test? Either one could pose a potential danger to other tenants and employees and perhaps even a more deadly danger. LLs need to stay out of this. --50.107.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2021 11:58 PM
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On September 22 here the province of Ontario will have a Vaccine certificate or Vaccine Passport. While 78 per cent of population in Ontario has both Vaccine shots the municipal, provincial governments set a goal of having 90 per cent of the population Vaccinated. The airlines here all employees must be vaccinated, health care, government employees and many other industries are proposing all the employees get vaccinated by a certain date or face disciplinary action or have to move on. That will leave 10 per cent who refuse to get vaccinated where the restaurants along with other non essential services they will not allowed in. The federal election is on September 20 th. where the country is moving to a national vaccination certifications system. The provinces who have the lowest vaccination rates the hospitals can not handle the amount of people who not vaccinated where doctors will be forced to make tough decisions on who gets on a ventilator. The business interests do not want anymore lock downs or temporary closings. It is no longer a matter of choice where if want to stay home fine but cause more Covid 19 transmissions no way. A fully vaccinate person can still have Virus with minor symptoms yet the person who is not vaccinated will get the virus where they can die. After being a on ventilator for 24 hours would never ever want to go there where with virus they place you face down which is even worse. It is like going to hell and back where you have permanent damage for lifetime. The unvaccinated here are effecting everyone who requires medical procedures are being delayed where now the backlog is gradually being cleared up. Vaccines are giving here no matter who you are or where come from or ethnic background. Some the premiers here do not want be elected where the next provincial election they are voted out. They are already asking them to step down. The majority of people here support the tough measures to get things back to normal where those want to roll the dice are becoming smaller everyday. --99.236.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 7:18 AM
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Deleted already. Hmmm interesting. Robert Ontario, ridiculous. You think the compliance will get things back to normal, but itís your compliance thatís keeping it going.

I went to bed thinking about this landlord and how ridiculous he is. But then I thought that if he gets away with this, then it has to work in the other direction too and I should be able to use to my benefit for my beliefs as well.

For example, if one of his tenants moved out because they wonít compromise their principles for this clown of a landlord, I would rent to that tenant in a split second. Sign me up. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:23 AM
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This is a mitigation measure to a risk.......just like smoke detectors are to fire safety.

Had this requirement occurred well before the vaccine was widely available I would be against this idea. However with the vaccines fully approved, I can see the value in this.

If someone doesn't want to follow generally accepted safety and prevention measure, that is absolutely okay too. Second hand smoke for example kills. If you elect to smoke, don't exhale and do it elsewhere. Life is about choice....so is tenant selection --24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:35 AM
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Ray, itís none of a landlords business. Mitigate risk? Really? Since when is it your job to THIS??? Covid has made the Peter principle run wild through the psyche of humanity. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:57 AM
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Another do gooder who thinks he knows what is best for everyone.This is none of a landlords business --72.231.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:00 AM
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NE,

I have agree with Ray-N-PA here. Numerous LL's refuse to rent to people who are on Sec.8, smoke/vape, or have pets. This tells me a new "no rent to' category (no-vax) has been added here.

Why make a big deal over this?

--68.63.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:01 AM
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NE, I'm not advocating in favor of the landlord's requirement, however I think you are missing Ray's point. I do not think he is talking about the landlord mitigating the risk for the "individual". I think he is talking about mitigating the landlord's risk. And yes, it has always been the job of the landlord to mitigate their risks on their property as best they could. --70.161.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:08 AM
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Jeffrey, Then you need to establish the landlords liability first. I have no liability to protect my tenants in the multiís from other tenants vaccination status. Thatís nonsense.

Roy, itís a HUGE deal in regards to the Convid-19. The landlord in the original post is the one making the bigger deal about this. Itís not his responsibility.

But it does work both ways! I would see his tenants who are not being willing to compromise their principles as the exact type of tenant that I want in my units. I know that you are a pro mask and pro vaccine and probably OK forcing vaccination on people, so I donít expect you to understand my perspective at all. But just remember, this can work both ways. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:09 AM
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I should keep my comments to myself.

What will we be doing 1 year from now? --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:29 AM
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NE, just to play the opposing point of view a little bit longer:) Perhaps the landlord is not even coming from the type of liability you are referring. Is it possible that he could be thinking from a financial liability that his profits (bottom line) will be greater if he promotes the stance he is taking.

Just like you prefer the resident who would not want to rent from him. Perhaps he is just the opposite and prefers this resident "niche" who for whatever reason wants to be in a multi-unit property where all the residents are vaccinated and the landlord is even using it as a "selling" point. --72.214.xx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:33 AM
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Jeffrey, I get that. Higher rent & month to month leases for tenants who wonít take the Fauci Ouchie? Now thereís some liability! Promoting units to vaccinated over unvaccinated. Sounds like segregation to me. Sounds like nice lawsuit. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:33 AM
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And yes, that selling point could go both ways depending on which niche you prefer.

I should note that the position the landlord is taking raises some legal and fair housing questions, but those arguments would be for another friendly debate:). --72.214.xx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:38 AM
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Yes, this is definitely fair housing and discrimination territory. Another reason a landlord shouldnít touch this with a 10í pole. I wonít advertise for either, I just want your money. But if I had a choiceÖ. :) --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:41 AM
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The progressive Conservative government in the province was really reluctant to bring in the vaccine certification passport system where the medical community, business community put a lot of pressure on the provincial government. As a result of the federal election next week the Liberals are hoping to be elected where they will have to wait after election if elected. If not elected then it will be up to the federal Conservatives to bring in a federal certification system where those reluctant will have to decide if they want stay home or lose jobs. Most employers want a safe environment for employees. It would have been easier if everyone was vaccinated now where those measures would not be required. Would anyone want to travel on a airline where employees are not vaccinated or go into a restaurant where employees are not vaccinated. For those here who took the Oxford Astra Zeneca both doses where approved here and the EU where not approved by the CDC in the Us. Hopefully next week here the Conservatives will be elected where decisive leadership is important not the extreme leftist lobby groups. --99.236.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:45 AM
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Robert, I seek out places that ignore the mandates. Iíll eat at any restaurant or fly on any plane fear free. This is and has been an economic Cold War. Which actually can be linked right to the original post! --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:46 AM
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NE, I'm with you. This is a slippery slope IMHO. --174.208.xx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:54 AM
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I think it is a foolish thing to do. On the other hand, it is his property and landlords should be able to decide who they will rent to and who they won't rent to.

It's none of the government's place to force him to rent to unvaccinated people, just as it is none of the government's business to force him to only accept vaccinated people. It should be the landlord's choice, not the government's, and not social media's, and not social pressure. --76.178.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 11:02 AM
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Exactly Oregon. Same goes for Comrade Joe telling businesses with 100 or more employees to required vaccination. Ya ok. #1. HAHAHAHA. #2. No. Or #3, if your just over 100, fire a few to get to 99 and start with the germaphobes. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:01 PM
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As an investor, I have to think about getting paid primarily. The data shows the folks who the shots are less likely to get COVID. When they get Breakthrough COVID the symptoms are less.

So why are these issues the Landlords job? Have any tenants ever said that there is a financial hardship due to having COVID? If the answer is yes, then you either have to wait as a LL for financial assistance to some day reach you or come up with a payment plan.

Smoke detector do save lives.

COVID has killed one in 500 in the US. Fire does not do that.

At some point, it might become real. I am not at all saying I agree how the government has reacted. I can't tell anyone what the probability of dying due to COVID if they shacked up with another person during this past 18 months. What I do know is if the government implemented the same thought process to say grocery stores (rent is due but doesn't have to get paid now) as they did housing, you have a 99.9% probability of dying after not eating for a 10 days straight.

I have to look out for me and my employees. All the money in the world doesn't mean too much without health. If you some of you indestructible, just make sure you let your kids know you love them --24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:12 PM
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Ray, I am sorry you are so fearful still. If youíre gonna play doctor with Covid, then you have to play doctor with every other possible health ailment that comes along.

I do not care what happens to my tenants in this regard. I am not their doctor, their protectors, their guardian, their counselor, and on and on.

How does a landlord come to think that this is their responsibility? --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:19 PM
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"All the money in the world doesn't mean too much without health"

Very true there. --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:21 PM
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I don't think Ray is fearful, but analyzing. --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:29 PM
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Analyzing what 6x6? If youíre going to segregate a portion of the populationís housing by using medical tyranny, then you better keep it balanced and provide housing that is strictly for the unvaccinated, I mean still normal. Whatís good for the goose is good for the gander. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:49 PM
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I am not segregating anybody. I am just saying that Ray is giving this some thought. --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 1:50 PM
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Maybe we should go back to the beginning. Ray, itís CNN, turn it off. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 2:04 PM
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If the LL has lost that many to Covid, I get his distress and frustration. I've only lost 2 tenants ever (to death) and it was drugs not illness. Still very distressing.

But right now, health is actually not a protected class. Disability is, but not general health, right? How far does that go, I wonder? Someone is severely asthmatic and the last person who rented the space had 14 cats, are we obligated to make it medically safe? --50.82.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 2:55 PM
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WMH, that is a perfect example. I had a tenant maybe two years ago who was severely allergic to cats. The neighboring apartment but a cat scratch post out on their porch. The tenant called me and asked me what I was going to do about it because heís severely allergic. I said nothing, because we donít get involved with stuff like this. But told him that he is welcome to ask him to move it if he likes to. He did and they moved it. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 3:58 PM
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NO FEAR here.

At some point, we all need to use science to guide our business practices. That point is different for each everyone of us. We have to listen to one another and appreciate our differences.

Now am I fond on mandates? Nope. Does anyone believe if we stick our heads in the sand that this will go away? As much as you have tried NE to ignore this, it still didn't disappear. Maybe it will next week, but I have my doubts. I think tackling this matter at the LOCAL business level is so much better than having a national or even state standard levied and imposed.

Don't get me wrong, the attorney at the convention showed the actual documents that showed the moratorium was an economic issue and not a health issue.

So let me ask a parallel question for those who are non-believers: Is it better for the Landlord to do SAFETY inspections to mitigate dangers or is it better to have the municipality do these safety inspections. Some of you may say the Landlord, where others may say its the municipality. Both answers work, but the most dangerous answer comes from those who ask - why do we need to inspect at all.

--24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 4:01 PM
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Ray, it ended for me about 30 seconds after I started, because I wonít participate in it. And what science are you referring to? --174.198.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 6:28 PM
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not sure if hpv is a pandemic. covid is. and just like schools require vaccines I see little difference between that & requiring the general populace to get vaccinated to protect them from experiencing the worst effects if they do get covid. interesting that several here are so against getting the jan and now we have hospitals cancelling operations bc no beds available bc of covid patients who did not get vaccinated. so, today I hear on the radio of a Vietnam vet who had his bone marrow operation cancelled bc no beds available.I would rather give a bed to a vet than to someone who didnít get vaccinated and so now sucking up resources that did not need to be sidetracked to such an extent if had been vaccinated. I like the idea of requiring the jab. no discrimination. same as when I say no smokers. and if an apt owner I think could be a great marketing tool.... --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 6:32 PM
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And we wonder why landlords get a bad name. --174.198.x.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 6:37 PM
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Donít worry though, PMH. It wonít be me personally clogging up a hospital bed. I wonít take even take a test, let alone go into a hospital unless Iím sick and taken out unconscious on a stretcher. But I do find it very interesting though. The unvaccinated people have to get vaccinated to protect the already vaccinated people with the same vaccine thatís not protecting the vaccinated people to begin with. That Science is a head scratcher. Maybe us landlords should give up the science gig and stick to the plunging toilets gig. --174.198.x.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 6:46 PM
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very simple concept: just bc you are vaccinated does not mean you canít get covid. it means you are less likely to suffer the consequences you would if you were not vaccinated. So here we are again with no beds available bc they are occupied by numbnuts who chose not to get vaccinated. last year was bc no one was vaccinated bc there was no vaccine. so now we have doctors refusing to treat covid patients who did not get the jab. good. Darwin wins again. --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 6:55 PM
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Oh right, thatís right. I forgot. That is what they are saying on TV. Itís just so much to keep track of any more. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 7:54 PM
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hopefully you will not be taken out unconscious on a stretcher bc you got covid. if you are vaccinated there is lessor chance of you dying. if you are not vaccinated then no sympathies & quit taking a bed from a more deserving patient. perhaps you will die quickly so that helps with the bed shortage. --71.84.xxx.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:07 PM
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Well, if I havenít caught it yet with taking no precautions and being around countless thousands (on purpose) over the least year and a half, Iíd say Iím good. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:12 PM
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tomorrow is another day.............all the best. --71.84.xxx.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:19 PM
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It sure is! And Saturday and Sunday, 2 large family oriented events to attend. With many more scheduled between now and Christmas. Love it. All in all, I think landlords need to stay out of the scamdemic response. Half struggle with basic screening of tenants and weíre supposed to stop a virus? Ya right. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:29 PM
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It his property, his right to require the vaccine. If renters don't want to do it the market will take care of the situation. --72.188.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 8:41 PM
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Is it his right though J? Thatís awful presumptuous. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:08 PM
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You truly are a numbnut ne. Questioning his right WHILE you espouse your right to be an idiot. The issue is that the rest of us will subsidize through our tax dollars to keep you on a ventilator which you would not need if you were vaccinated

--71.84.xxx.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:17 PM
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Nonsense PMH. I wonít be on a ventilator, just like the other 99.97% of people who survive it. It is worth questioning a landlords right to require his tenants to be vaccinated. Does a landlord ACTUALLY LEGALLY have that right? I highly doubt it.

I agree that a landlord landlord should have total control over his units, but like a mask mandate and my face, it just isnít so.

So get vaccinated or move? Really? We canít get court support to kick them out for getting Covid for a year and a half because itíll spread the virus, but if they donít get vaccinated, we can kick them out and not worry about spreading the virus?

How do you all sort this all out in your heads to get it to make sense? Or do you not really believe it and are just talking a bunch of hypothetical BS? Thatís probably what it is ultimately.

Because if itís not and we cross the threshold into kicking tenants for no vax and not renting to the unvaccinated , then Iím going to join that party and advertising for unvaxxed only and if I hear of tenants getting the vax, theyíre getting a notice to vacate.

See how ridiculous that sounds? --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:34 PM
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How convenient to blame the unvaccinated for taking hospital beds. Almost as convenient as forgetting that Jesse Jackson and his wife clogged up some beds with their CovidÖ.and they were both vaccinated, allegedly. So, you know, science. --50.107.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:36 PM
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I am not hear to tell you that I agree with what you have to say......but I am willing to fight to the death for your right to say it. Even if part of what comes out seems goofy to me.

I really do want to see you advertise your units...... "vaccinated applicants need not apply".

I have to wonder the quality of the applicant pool that would respond to such an add. I also wonder who would end up getting sued first. Requiring it or rejecting folks based on medical practices? Without tying this into a reduction of operational risk and increased profitability, I don't see a difference. Either way you are screening based on medical practices. --24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 9:54 PM
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Thatís right Ray, thatís why we need to stick to what we know. Toilets. Neither side wins the vax/non vax requirements. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:14 PM
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Any ideas on how a Landlord could some how tie this into a metric showing how they would be making money by doing this.

I am not here to argue about what is occurring. I am looking for ideas on the metrics. Show me the money or show me the savings

1) You could be protecting employees

2) You might be protecting residents that could result in a better payment history

3) In theory, if everyone is vaccinated, it could reduce the cost of the extra cleaning due to the "state of emergency" we are in

4) I am not aware of insurance companies offering a break in rates as of now, but that might be coming.

5) Residents would be showing a level cooperation in advance of moving in which could result in longer resident stays

Also to ensure this balanced: a list of points showing where having non-vax people living together will make the LL more money also is welcomed.

--24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2021 10:29 PM
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24 states just threatened to sue the B admin over vaccine mandates. How far do you think this landlordís going to get? This is all just talk. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 3:53 AM
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PMH the smoker calling the unvaxxed idiots. Thatís rich --166.216.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 4:20 AM
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In Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Health Unit 134 cases or 19 cases per day of Covid 19 or 1 death in the last 7 days or zero deaths per day. Slowly approaching 80 per cent of the population in the province of Ontario is completely vaccinated. I would never want to live where Communist China takes over with viral warfare. Nuclear war no one wins where you kill most of the people then take over. In warfare you have to take tough measures like what happened 20 years ago after what happened in New York. It is time to take the politics out of this. In the province of Alberta bad decisions were made where now the hospital system is overwhelmed. The medical system can not expand for stupidity. Doctors have told me they never want anyone to die where if a hundred patients come into a medical facility a hundred patients come out alive and in better condition. Italy has also taken tough measures where if want to go on trains you get vaccinated or stay home. Since they are going with tough measures the vaccination rates are slowly starting to go up along with those who do not want to comply are face a two weeks of no work. Last week there was a protest on main street where they are against Vaccinations. Fine stay home as soon the restaurants are not going to allow you in. Keep the viral warfare out of here. If I was going to work I would the company to keep viral warfare out the place you work. The majority not the minority of stupid people are supporting action against the crisis here. History has taught us that in warfare you have to take tough measures to win. What is going to happen when the extremists Taliban took over they are looting the banks where eventually there is going to be a civil war. No money a failed economy. It is a time where common sense is used here. Finally I waiting to here from the specialist to complete a medical procedure as now the medical system does not focus on Covid 19 patients. Those in ICU have refused to get vaccinated where as long as stupidity they are going to face the consequences if they live. --99.236.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 5:48 AM
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Well Robert, all I know is that the people who are waiting for everybody to get vaxxed so they can go back to living normal again are going to be waiting a long, long, long, long, LOOOOONNNNNNGGGG time. Because there are those of us out here who will never set foot on a train or an airplane again if thatís what it comes down to. It doesnít bother us if folks want to live scared forever, because weíll never take the Jim Jones juice. And in the meantime weíre still living normally. Strange how that works. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 6:08 AM
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NE,

I wouldn't do it personally but they are his buildings. It may backfire on him with the courts or the tenant pool...but...we complain on here about the government forcing us to take ESAs, income sources we don't like etc....is it really that much of a stretch to include this: "forced to accept the unvaccinated"? --72.188.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Jim [OH]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 8:49 AM
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Alvarez is an idiot.

Can I hear anyone addressing HIPA laws? I'm sure some feminists can weigh in here about it's my body and my choice. Why stop with the covid vax shot? Lets move deeper into the seasonal flu vaccinations. The tetanus boosters. If a landlord wants to promote idiocy, they can. Fake Vax cards are $33.00 on the street. That's a better deal than selling WIC debit cards at ten cents on the dollar.

Alvarez is an idiot. --184.57.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 10:10 AM
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This seems like typical human behavior to me.

Everyone is creating there own problems.

I wonder what the wildlife are doing? Probably laughing at all of us i di ot humans. --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 10:12 AM
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I bet they are glad we are dying off. --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 11:17 AM
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Wonder if you could offer units with a life insurance policy? --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 1:04 PM
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I personally am vaccinated because I take care of REALLY OLD people in my family. My kids are half vaccinated, half not. None of my grandchildren are. I look at the vaccine not as 'necessary' but what is your risk tolerance. I am in my 60s. I am filled with all other kinds of vaccines I've received throughout my life so I am not opposed to them on basic principle.

I need to take one of my grandchildren about 12 hours drive away next month. I am debating driving versus the flying I would normally do because of the airports and all the folks from all over I don't necessarily want to expose her to.

I have gotten a flu shot twice in my life - for very specific reasons, not because the off chance I might get sick. I can lay in bed for a week with fever and chills if I get the flu. I don't want to but it's not really an issue I want to try to avoid by injecting my body with foreign substances.

I don't wear a seat belt on surface roads but I do on a road where the speed limit is 55.

I get annual blood work but seldom go to the doctor. If the blood work showed a problem, I'd go to the doctor. No one tells you there are independent labs out there that will run any type blood test you request without a doctor's order.

I have gone out in public except for two months at the very beginning (due to a specific reason, not the governor telling me to stay in). I seldom wear a mask. I do if *I* am uncomfortable in a situation or if *I* am accommodating someone on a personal level.

Personal choice - risk vs reward - age and circumstance come into play.

--98.237.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 2:03 PM
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I still wanting to learn how to measure the money saved by either requiring it or not requiring it.

There are some limited ways I believe to save money, I am not aware of any for non-vaxing. Would these limited number of ways to save be enough to with stand a court challenge?

The multi- state challenge will weigh heavy on this. I can also see a slippery slope as Jim as referred to --24.101.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 2:46 PM
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Wouldn't you save money and time by not requiring it and not having to verify it?

Also by not getting sued for discrimination or something?

I don't see how you could save money by requiring it.

What ways are you thinking of?

--73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 4:04 PM
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I'm a libertarian. Get the vax. Dont get the vax.

But I also believe private property owners should be allowed to control their own property: Allow smoking...or not. Allow pets...or not.

Personally, I'll allow people to make their own choices on the jab. I don't even ask. --158.115.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 5:31 PM
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Joe: my target mkt as a non smoker is non smokers. big pool of persons who donít want to live in a smoked in house..NE. again I surely hope you donít get covid..and take a bed away from someone else who needs it more. Iím thinking a new angle that only vaxxed applicants will be considered. I rent houses in a college town. sensible parents will appreciate the extra precautions to ensure their kids will be sharing a house with vetted others. Time to raise rents again.... --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 5:40 PM
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PMH, at this point, I hope I catch it. Should boost my immunity with a 99.9999997% survival rate. If I do, I will run out and buy a Powerball ticket as well. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 5:58 PM
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good luck with the powerball (!) both my kids got covid. whacked them out like a bad flu. for my mom or me or my wife would be more serious. probably for you also. quit being a self professed hero and do your part to help protect others. if you are a wimp I can tell you the jab doesnít hurt. --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 5:59 PM
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Itís not my responsibility to protect you. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 6:01 PM
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Just like itís not my responsibility to protect my already vaccinated tenants from my still normal tenants. Stay in your lane. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 6:07 PM
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as a part of the social contract, yes you are. Idiots like you will perpetuate this pandemic. --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 6:15 PM
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We operate under different social contracts then and I signed neither. I have no obligation to protect you. Or heroes like you. If I saw you in a burning car, I would try to pull you out. But this is different. I donít even Tylenol unless my headache is so bad that Iím going cross-eyed. I donít take medicine unless I am worried and itís really really bad and you want me to take a vaccine for something that I donít even worry about? Youíre going to be in this pandemic for a long time. Because I would assume that I speak for at least 50% of the population, probably even more. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 6:36 PM
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No PMH, you are a smoker, so do your part and stay the hell out of the hospital when you get lung cancer. Put your money where your foul mouth is --76.105.x.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 7:34 PM
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Joe: blow me. NE obvious you don't understand what social construct is. The Constitution should be a primer for you..... --71.84.xxx.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 7:39 PM
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Whoa! Now that should be deleted!!! PMH, if we share in that social contract, then you owe me as much as I owe you. And your duty as an American is to resist these tyrannical mandates. The Declaration of Independence should be a good primer for you. And the Boston Harbor should be a good example of another location for the vaccines. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 7:58 PM
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Nice hit, Joe. [CA] --24.151.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 8:27 PM
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Go blow yourself with your nasty secondhand smoke, PMS. And stay the hell out of the hospital when you contract lung cancer. And don't forget to take your little purple pill --76.105.x.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 8:50 PM
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Wow. Has anybody looked at the stats. The most vaccinated countries in the world are those with the worst pandemic. Israel has over 89% of it's population jabbed. Over 80% of it's hospitalizations are vaxxed. The jab might have been fairly effective at first for the alpha variant, but for the delta variant the efficacy is between 13% and 39%. By the time mu circles around...nada. The vaxxed have the same viral load and in some studies 150% more viral load than the unvaxxed, meaning they are the same to more infectious than the unvaxxed. Viral load means you have more virus to spread. The people doing the best are those with natural immunity. We will never vaccinate ourselves out of this pandemic.

The most despicable thing about this pandemic is how our lowly leaders and the media are exciting hatred against those too smart to take a jab that remains fully experimental(The Pfizer vaccine approved by the FDA is still NOT available) with horrible side effects and deaths they are refusing to count. The CDC VAERS website currently has over 14,700 deaths(The swine flu vax was halted after 57 deaths) and some epidemiologists feel the deaths are undercounted by a factor of 100. If you are so anxious to place blame and hatred on fellow citizens, blame the people who tinkered with the wild virus in gain of function experiments until they had a killer and released it.

Too much HATE. --216.23.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 9:10 PM
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Well said Lana (IN). Us landlords should be above this nasty divisiveness that is spreading like wildfire. Notice how one individual here (PMH) likes to spread the divisiveness around. He should know better. I hope he gets my purple pill comment, it should be a reminder to him about the garbage he has spewed on here for so long. --76.105.x.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 9:11 PM
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You are correct Lana. --73.120.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 9:25 PM
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Yes 6x6, Lana is correct. You can track all of the Covid numbers for each country and each state in the US on the worldometer website. Easy to read graphs showing daily cases, daily deaths, cumulative cases and cumulative deaths. Additionally one can look at hospitalization rates for the vaxxed vs. the unvaxxed and also the deaths, on some government websites. Some interesting data on a UK government website that completely destroys the narrative when you analyze the data. Those of us who choose to inform ourselves look at the data and the data doesn't jive with the BS they are spewing on the boob tube. --76.105.x.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 9:33 PM
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Itís being used as a worldwide psyop Joe. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2021 9:40 PM
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NE, yep... --76.105.x.x




LL Requires Vaccinations (by mtnbunny [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 5:03 AM
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Science doesn't come from tv, and just because NE or anyone else doesn't follow or understand real science doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Kudos to anyone who is getting their science NOT from tv or Facebook. Just sayin', the real science is out there, but if you don't know how to find it, there's not much hope you are going to understand it. Try Johns Hopkins.

--172.58.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 7:41 AM
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Mtn bunny, what if we have no interest in looking for it? Cuz thereís always that too. Unless I hear about it here or my wife tells me about something she sees on FB, Covids basically over in my world. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 7:56 AM
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IN OTHER NEWS!!! Apparently General Dynamics Corp. cancelled their vax mandate because 40% of their employees were willing to walk off the job. You know, we the people and United we stand kind of stuff. So if a landlord like the OP references feels in his bones that he has to be a boot locker and follow the mandates or virtue signaling do-gooder and require his tenants to get vaxxed and heís willing to lose 40% of his tenants, then go for it.

--24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 8:12 AM
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I just found out my chiropractor friends in another state may be in a county about to adopt a mandate that all health professionals get vaccinated. They may end up losing or selling their livelihood. Some states are contemplating that across the board. Locally a family member had to go to the ER and needed to be admitted but there were 12 people waiting for beds ahead of him. There are beds available but not enough nurses to put bodies in the empty beds. If they mandate vaccines and the unvaccinated nurses/doctors leave, you better not need a hospital. Businesses that require vaccines will have employees leave. We house many of those people. Buckle up for another round of economic turmoil. --75.67.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 8:21 AM
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Still learning, it will be more than just the medical field. It will be the government and the educational systems as well. People will walk off their jobs for this vaccine in those industries also. But what you will see happen, is they will have to be replaced and they will be replaced with people who are totally on board with the vax and totally on board with enforcing the vax and other mandates. There is something much more sinister going on here, so brace yourself, we may be in for more than just a little bit of economic turmoil. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 8:30 AM
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I have a child that just graduated college and is heading to the EU on a work visa for a year. It will be interesting to hear about what they see and experience over there and whether a more socialistic society interests them or they are ready to return to capitalism in the US after a year. --75.67.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 9:03 AM
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I canít believe these vaccine mandates arenít being viciously attacked as discriminatory. If you look at vaccine rates by race, itís not hard to see which group will be most disadvantaged by mandates. And yet virtual silence on that front. That could be a legal concern for the landlord in question. --100.34.x.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:33 AM
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I call bunk. Very few will walk off their jobs and those that do, bye. The health care systems here have mandated the vaccine and there was the typical grumbling, whining, moaning of lost freedumbs but almost everyone in that industry is getting the vaccine when it is said and done. --74.215.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 10:41 AM
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She finally showed up!! Doubtful JAC. Walkouts scheduled here locally. Others getting ready to get fired on Nov 1st and myself and others are already helping them with options on how to pick up the pieces quickly so their lives arenít adversely affected. Because, ya know, weíre all in this together. And stuff like that. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 12:27 PM
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Lots of walkouts are doubtful. Delta, 70K employees, reported no one quit when they were going to get charged $200 more per month for health insurance if they didn't get vaccinated. Also they better have something lined up because most employers that let employees go for not getting the vaccine will be fighting any unemployment claims. Those types of disputes are already stacked against you. Sounds like there is a Gofundme NE opportunity there. --74.215.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 12:37 PM
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ďReportedĒ anyways. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 12:47 PM
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Nobody will be fighting unemployment claims. Unless you have been living under a rock, you know employers throughout the country are begging for workers. Anybody who quits or gets fired will get snapped up quick. --174.198.xx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:17 PM
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Well let's to the math Paulio. Current job at least 30/hr plus benefits and vacation. New job: Restaurant work at 15/hr no benefits or vacation.

I wonder which choice these highly principled people will make.

--157.131.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:22 PM
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Oh my goodness! Another one got out of bed. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:23 PM
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Maybe 15 bucks an hour, but at least theyíll still have their dignity. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:25 PM
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interesting article in todayís WSJ..George Washington required his troops to be inoculated against small pox, even against their will....later the Supreme Court in 1906 upheld vaccine mandates, invoking the Constitution and stating that the social compact shall be governed by ..laws for the safety and protection...of the people. later SC decisions have confirmed that legal authority.. --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:31 PM
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Most anti Covid vaccine folks are not anti ALL VACCINES. Just to be clear. When youíre trying to sell us the idea of getting vaccinated by offering us a free burger and fries and some Krispy Kreme doughnuts and a lottery ticket in Ohio and on and on, we tend to become a little skeptical folks. There is quite a bit more proof with smallpox then there has been with the convid. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:41 PM
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Follow the money. Poor with dignity? Please. --157.131.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 1:56 PM
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the carrot always is better than the stick NE but sometimes need to use the stick if the carrot doesnít work. the social good overrides the individual right. as another landmark decision declared.. your rights stop at the end of my nose.... --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:03 PM
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Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Same old blah blah blah for almost 2 years now. The second that needle goes into the arm of somebody who is unwilling to take it, is the second we cross a line that we might not come back from. In regards to Convid 19, I owe the fearful nothing! --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:10 PM
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And yet we are not doing that.

Don't want the vax? Don't take it. Need it for your job? Quit before you're fired. Can't get a job because of no vax? Principles are expensive.

Libertarian 101.

--157.131.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:11 PM
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George Washington thought otherwise, as has the Supreme Court many times....a true conundrum for you that GW who led this country to independence forced his troops to be inoculated. certainly no one can accuse you NE of being a smart person or a thinker without being wrong...regards. --107.77.xxx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:13 PM
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This is awesome, Iím getting a liberal Hat Trick today! I canít help but wonder why it is that I run into more Covid fearful people on this very forum than I do anywhere else. More than normal life, more than family, more than friends, more than Facebook, more than church. The most fearful people I run into are right here on this very forum. Why is that? Is it because this is an older group of people? Is it because the majority of you folks are from cities? Too late Iím bored have a sense of superiority over others? Enough so that theyíre willing to force their well onto them? What is it? It doesnít make any sense. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:14 PM
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We are influencing the ones on the fence. Those will typically fall into line with the carrot or small stick. HCA awards for the rest. Wait till more insurance companies stop covering unvaccinated... --74.215.xx.xxx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:15 PM
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Smallpox was justifiable, Covid is not. I can still see the foundations around where I live up in the mountains where they made smallpox quarantine homes. If you got that stuff, you were dead. There was no 99.97% chance of surviving smallpox. Speaking of trusted science, why donít you ask George Washington how the trusted science of bloodletting worked out for him? --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:20 PM
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Harshing your mellow NE? Not part of your echo chamber?

Reasonable people can disagree. As if you could find anyone reasonable on this board.......

--157.131.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:21 PM
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Bad math as usual NE. --157.131.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 2:36 PM
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Covid has released many mini tyrants in many facets of life. There are landlords here who are OK kicking their tenants out if they donít get the vaccine. Landlords on this very forum! Some of those landlords would absolutely be OK with seeing you thrown into a camp for not getting the vaccine. Donít ever ever ever forget that! Choose your associates and your influences very very carefully. Especially from here on out. --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 3:41 PM
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Agreed. NE. Don't for get that some landlords here ON THIS FORUM think that voting is only land holders. The same ones that think Jan 6 was just misunderstanding about the Capitol tour.

Keep you head down I think I hear the black helicopters. --157.131.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 3:56 PM
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Ok ok ok, you talked me into the Biden booster. Iíll do it!! But Di Blasio has to up his offer. I want onion rings, NOT FRIES! --24.152.xxx.xx




LL Requires Vaccinations (by hubba hubba [CA]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 4:09 PM
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Again, I don't give a rats *ss if you take it or not. --157.131.xxx.xx



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