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Murdered Pet at Rental (by Robert J [CA]) Jul 31, 2021 1:46 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Ken [NY]) Jul 31, 2021 2:18 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Busy [WI]) Jul 31, 2021 2:20 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Lana [IN]) Jul 31, 2021 2:44 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 31, 2021 2:48 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by P.B. [MI]) Jul 31, 2021 3:33 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 31, 2021 4:19 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Jul 31, 2021 4:23 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Ltd [AZ]) Jul 31, 2021 6:07 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Jul 31, 2021 6:56 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Vee [OH]) Aug 1, 2021 9:20 AM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Aug 1, 2021 2:25 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Mark [MA]) Aug 1, 2021 2:49 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 1, 2021 10:48 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 1, 2021 10:50 PM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Aug 2, 2021 11:09 AM
       Murdered Pet at Rental (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 2, 2021 1:51 PM

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Murdered Pet at Rental (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 1:46 PM

Last week a long term tenant's 12 year old cat was torn to pieces by wild coyotes on the front lawn of an apartment property. This is in Los Angeles, California. Fish and Game of California won't trap coyotes. Their solution is to keep children and pets inside. They don't allow any remedy by owners except making noise, bright lights, etc.

What can you do to protect your pets in your area of the country?

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 2:18 PM

I live out in the country,my back yard is fenced.My neighbor had a bobcat in his yard a couple days ago.Dont really have a problem as the coyotes here have plenty to eat out in the woods although folks shoot them here at least enough to keep them under control.That coyote wasnt scared of people and maybe not enough food so it had to go after a cat.Not doing anything about coyotes coming into the city sounds about what i would expect from such a liberal city

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 2:20 PM


We haven’t had coyotes right in our subdivision, but there is a large swampy, woodsy wildlife area surrounding our subdivision. Our biggest fear is that one of our beagles escapes our fence and goes following a scent into the swamp. We hear the coyotes howl often an ambulance races down to the nearby hospital. Our little twenty-nine pound beagles would be no match for a coyote pack.

On one occasion, the older beagle escaped, got past to the edge of the swamp. I used the other beagle to pick up the scent and find our beautiful old girl, just as she was getting to really untamed area. A good reason to always have two beagles, I guess.

I admit though, when a wild animal kills for a meal, I, myself ( just speaking for myself,) wouldn’t quite call that murder. The onus is on us humans to keep pets out of wildlife’s access.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 2:44 PM

I hate coyotes. They have big territorial circles and they move every few weeks in their circle. They love to den in my woods where there is a water supply. I read at night and don't watch TV and I keep my windows open, so I hear them while my neighbors are oblivious. You can always hear them howl with sirens and they yip while hunting. They leave large piles of poop to mark their territory with the entire pack participating. In Jan 2014, they took out my entire chicken coop by digging under the fence. We followed the trail of blood to their dens behind a grade school. When I called the Indiana DNR to let them know, the idiot told me "Mam they don't attack humans." I said: "Mam, this is the worst winter in 30 years and they are starving. The average kindergartener is 40# and so is the average coyote which hunts in packs." I have lost several cats to coyotes and several to owls or raptors at night.

I keep two large dogs and when I garden I place a 22 rifle under the nearest tree. They will come right up to my barn and chicken coop in the early evening. Brazen. I shoot at them every chance I get and follow them. I also have men I know who love to kill them.

They are pure killing machines.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 2:48 PM

Here in the country most people (re d ne cks ) shoot them.

In the city we can call animal control. We can trap them too.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by P.B. [MI]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 3:33 PM

What can you do to protect your pets in your area of the country?

The only way I know to protect cats is to never let them outside. For dogs, never let them off the leash.

But, I do not agree with either option as a cat needs to be a cat and a dog needs to be a dog. Just like coyotes need to be coyotes.

We also live in the country and used to have many coyotes. Their main food source is rodents, chipmunks, squirrels and birds. Some will not agree with this.

A few years ago we had 2 trappers come here and trap all but one sly old male.

Now we are overrun with rodents and we find the need to trap the rodents.

Predators are a key species. Nature changes without them.

I know this does not solve the problem of a pet being killed, but it is not like the coyotes can go to the store for food, like us. We humans are killers also. We may no longer do the killing as someone else does it for us. We just eat it. Same with the vegetarians . They kill and eat vegetables. It is how we survive. The predators are essential to nature. They keep the balance.

About 14 years ago we had a different dog. There was a coyote den about 200 feet behind our barn. We found out our dog and the coyote played together. Both females. When our dog died we buried her in the back pasture. I went there every morning and there was evidence where the coyote laid on her grave. Not once did the coyote try to dig her up. I know it has been long enough where the coyote has passed also.

They are now at peace and can go wherever the wind blows them.


Murdered Pet at Rental (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 4:19 PM

P.B. got it. The ecosystem.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 4:23 PM

I keep them on an enclosed porch and have pp pads inside. They won't go after coyotes here either and other residents think they have a right to be out there. I don't. A man with a pit bull actually did the exact same thing to one of my neighbor's dogs. He walked it up to a little old dog and it tore her up. I could hear the screaming from my house two blocks down. He tried that with me and my dog and approached us but I picked her up and ran. Mistake was not reporting him. He was fined $4K. I witnessed to the animal control guy that he was making a habit of doing that to people with small dogs. Got to get the coyotes somehow without anyone knowing when or how. People can NOT let their animals out with coyotes around and cats wander. Singer Miley Cyrus had her little dog taken by a coyote also. Sometimes I find them on Twitter or Facebook and can tell them that the spirit of their animal is there with them and does not know that it passed. The spirit of that cat will never leave that apartment again to go outside. It will be in the rental. My mother could see and feel the cats and I can see dog spirits. If they get another cat, this one's spirit will merge with it but it may not ever want to go outside again either. Please tell them the cat's spirit will be with them and will be frightened for awhile but then get better but not ever leave the apartment again. --108.24.xx.xx

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Ltd [AZ]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 6:07 PM

P.B. - That is a touching story about your dog. Reminds me of, "Where the Red Fern Grows." Thanks for sharing it.

Lions and Bears and Bats... and Coyotes! Oh My!

I don't believe anymore in killing wild creatures, unless harvesting for needed food or a situation where there is no other option. Spiders are an exception. I have a zero tolerance policy on spiders. There's no limit on coyote killing here. People shoot 20 or 30 and just leave the bodies to rot. That is wrong.

Way back when I was a teenager and we lived in the mountains, I rode the Greyhound up from our house in LA, which dropped you at a crossroads several miles from town, at like 3 AM. All alone. In the dark. Well not completely "alone," I had my Winchester and a .38. LOL

I was dozing under the one street lamp waiting for someone to drive by and give me a ride. Then I saw several coyotes hanging out in the shadows maybe 150 ft away, just beyond the light. I had my .30-30 in my duffel bag and popped a couple of rounds at them and they moved on. As it happened a deputy that was a family friend was the first car along and gave me a ride. I told him what had happened. He was like, "Next time shoot 'em." Can you imagine how a cop would treat a kid hitchhiking with a rifle these days? I did NOT tell him I was illegally carrying a concealed pistol! LOL

Yotes are a fact of life in the west. Living on the edge of open desert and a wildlife refuge we get our share of critters. But they stayed out of our yard, or so we thought.

We have coyotes and bobcats, and owls in the neighborhood, sometimes wild burros heading to the river walk on the bluff behind our house, and I've heard of rare cougar sightings. I occasionally see coyotes around first light. Sometimes you will hear them at night howling in the refuge. This is part of why I left the city.

The owls sit on the street lights at night and then swoop down on any little critters out n about. It's quite disconcerting, they are nearly silent and the first you know they are there is when they glide by on the hunt about 20 ft overhead. They have about a 5 ft wingspan. It's like having a pterodactyl strafe you! It's happened to me twice now. Walking along at night and, "Whoosh!" Nearly jumped outta my skin!

A few months ago I saw dried blood drops on our patio and asked my spouse if she'd cut herself gardening? Then we found a bunny head by the AC. Yuck. Apparently a coyote or bobcat jumped our wall and nailed a bunny! We know they run along the bluff as we see tracks outside our wall. I keep intending to buy a new game camera.

As for defense. In my city there's an ordinance against discharging firearms in city limits. That's why I didn't just get out my skeet gun and dispatch the snake the other day. The law does allow for self defense from dangerous animals, BUT it does not allow for defending pets with a gun, as they are property. Which I think is stupid, and I think most pet owners will do what they have to do. I've heard stories of coyote packs luring dogs into the desert to play, and then attacking them.

I notice a couple of my neighbors with dogs carry mace when walking their pets. The lady next door carries a walking stick and says she'll "use it" if another dog or yote attacks her pup.

I think the best defense is avoidance and awareness.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 6:56 PM

People don't realize that if our ancestors had not dealt with these killers by getting rid of them, they would not have survived and we would not be here. Given the choice between having a few more rodents I can get with a sticky trap and a coyote which could kill and eat me if I fell in the garden, I will take the rodents. --108.24.xx.xx

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2021 9:20 AM

The circle of life, some call it Darwin's story, some others call it the food chain. Live and let live. Many countries I have visited strive to keep animals and the diseases they carry outside, it seems like a good philosophy to me.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2021 2:25 PM

A pack of large dogs was tearing up peoples' cats in my neighborhood back in 1990s. No one could catch them. One night I hear a cat screech under my bedroom window. I go out to the porch and see four LARGE DOGS out there looking into my shrubbery. Very large lab mix, Doberman and two others I don't remember. So I yelled at them and they moved away. I didn't hear anymore from the cat or find any blood or fur in the morning so it got away. Called police and animal control and they found that the pack was living in the basement of a closed city facility about four blocks away. They caught them all. So my point is that if the cat was ripped up and found on the lawn it might have been larger dogs. I do think coyotes would have dragged it back to their den. Got a game trail camera? Moultrie makes them. Put some bait out to see. --108.24.xx.xx

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Mark [MA]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2021 2:49 PM

Outdoor cats are called Hors D’oeuvres around here. Sometimes besides coyotes occasionally hawks and eagles too. My neighbor saw a raptor get a cat near his yard.

Cats do fine indoors,.but if you let them out they soon demand it. They kill birds and pick up diseases, sometimes bringing them back home. My vet talks about finding deer ticks on cats (which can bring Lyme and other tick borne diseases. Our cat (and other cats in the past)has never been outdoors and doesn't want to. Its lazy people that allow their cat to go outdoors.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2021 10:48 PM

Around here, if people like their cats, they keep the cats as indoor only cats and are very careful to not allow them to slip out the door.

I had tiny dogs for awhile and the little dogs had a dog door that let them out into a welded steel kennel that had a top on it and a bottom on it so nothing could dig in or out and nothing could climb over the top or fly in to the kennel from the top.

Some people have the same set up for their cats so the cats can go outside into a secure area where they are safe.

My bigger dogs have a secure kennel and I have a 6 foot fence around the backyard. Coyotes can climb a 6 foot fence and my dogs are not allowed into the fenced 5 acre yard unsupervised.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2021 10:50 PM

Where coyotes are hunted, they steer clear of humans. Where they are not hunted they make themselves to home and are pretty darn fearless, trotting around on city streets in broad daylight.

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 2, 2021 11:09 AM

Once a cat has been in and out as a kitten, they will never break the habit. My first husband and I went to the shelter to get a kitten. They were not caged but were running in and out a door. We were in a city apartment yet that kitten demanded to go out by climbing my curtains, digging in my plants and knocking them over and climbing all over the windows to try and get out. We shortly moved to a suburban home and that cat would trip us trying to get out past our feet. So out she went. She did kill birds. We found them. Eventually, post divorce, she went to my mother's home and did the same until she was too old to be interested. Finally died of cat litter caused lung disease. Never get one that has been outside. --108.24.xx.xx

Murdered Pet at Rental (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 2, 2021 1:51 PM

Out in east county San Diego, when I was installing a roof some 25 years ago, I saw a coyote climb a chain link fence. It was the darnest thing - they are smart animals.

I would be baiting steel box traps since 22s are looked down upon in the city

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