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Mold (by Bill [PA]) Jul 27, 2021 3:14 PM
       Mold (by Robert J [CA]) Jul 27, 2021 3:29 PM
       Mold (by plenty [MO]) Jul 27, 2021 4:10 PM
       Mold (by Kim [TX]) Jul 27, 2021 5:04 PM
       Mold (by Gail K [GA]) Jul 27, 2021 7:35 PM
       Mold (by Still Learning [NH]) Jul 27, 2021 8:04 PM
       Mold (by Scott [IN]) Jul 27, 2021 9:41 PM
       Mold (by MC [PA]) Jul 28, 2021 7:30 AM
       Mold (by Bill [PA]) Jul 28, 2021 11:12 AM
       Mold (by Busy [WI]) Jul 28, 2021 11:17 AM
       Mold (by plenty [MO]) Jul 28, 2021 11:39 AM
       Mold (by MC [PA]) Jul 28, 2021 11:58 AM
       Mold (by Bill [PA]) Jul 28, 2021 12:13 PM
       Mold (by Jason [VA]) Jul 28, 2021 12:39 PM
       Mold (by Vee [OH]) Jul 28, 2021 2:16 PM
       Mold (by Lana [IN]) Jul 28, 2021 8:28 PM
       Mold (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 29, 2021 6:08 PM
       Mold (by Bill [PA]) Jul 29, 2021 6:47 PM
       Mold (by Busy [WI]) Jul 30, 2021 11:16 AM
       Mold (by Bill [PA]) Jul 31, 2021 12:13 PM
       Mold (by plenty [MO]) Jul 31, 2021 12:48 PM

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Mold (by Bill [PA]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 3:14 PM

State Specific Question About: PENNSYLVANIA (PA)

Our tenant is complaining of mold causing health issues. Who is responsible for keeping mold out of the unit's living area? It does have a dehumidifier and ceiling fans. If they use them consistently is another question. Thanks, Bill --137.103.x.x

Mold (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 3:29 PM

This is a general answer to your question. When a tenant alerts you to a habitability issue, such as "MOLD", it is the owners responsibility to:

a) investigate (to the best of your ability) and/or hire a professional to conduct testing.

If it is only surface mold, then under proper guidelines and if you the owner get "Mold Training", then you can remove the surface mold.

If there is a real "mold" problem, a professional can determine how bad the mold growth has become. Like removing plugs from the wall and looking at the back side of the drywall, then sending a camera into the wall to see whey and how mold got there.

If you tenant says I found a Grenade in the closet, you would tell your tenant to deal with it themselves. Instead you'd demand they leave the rental and call in the Police Bomb Squad.

The same is with mold. Tell the tenant to leave the are where they think the mold is located, then have a professional check it out and resolve the issue.

Mold (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 4:10 PM

Think I'd go over and investigate what they are experiencing.

Mold (by Kim [TX]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 5:04 PM

It is possible however, to get mold or mildew on bathroom walls, in cabinets and closets just from poor air circulation. I would do my best to have well ventilated bathrooms, but our class C tenants shut off rooms from AC to save on electricity. I don't blame them, but I'm not sending a remediation company out to clean mildewed clothes. As others have said on this site before. That is a housekeeping issue.

Mold (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 7:35 PM

It's not "mold". It's "mildew".

Has it been a warm, wet summer at your place? Welcome to mildew. Tilex is OK to remove this but Concrobium is typically recommended.

Be wary when a tenant starts to complain that "mold" is "causing health issues". The mold ship sailed months ago for most states.

Wanna see mildew? I'm giving tours of my own bathroom.


Mold (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 8:04 PM

There is always the happy clause so they can go somewhere better for their health.

Mold (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jul 27, 2021 9:41 PM

Mold will only grow in the presence of excessive moisture. Your first job is to locate and correct the moisture at its source. Only after that is completed should you begin the clean-up.

Mold (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 7:30 AM

I would look for yourself or have a friend/fellow LL do it. Have several cleaners with you and see if it comes off. You can give Happy Clause regardless of the outcome.

Mold (by Bill [PA]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 11:12 AM

I have checked it out and there is, I suspect, some mold. It did come off with the mold cleaner I had with me. Having a specialist in mold remediation checking it out next week. There are no obvious leaks. No wet areas. I believe it is just the high humidity of this summer. And they don't want to use the dehumidifier because it creates heat...only so much a LL can do. The tenant, as all the mold service people I've spoke with mentioned, has to keep the house clean and dry and try to keep the humidity below 55%. I even have trouble doing that in my own home. Thanks for all your comments, I'll post again after the appointment next Tuesday. --137.103.x.x

Mold (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 11:17 AM

Gail, Ď tours of my own bathroomí , thatís funny! I almost snorted my coffee.

Bill, I answered on the other thread, but just wanted to add to it. I have a old -term tenant (see forest vs trees discussion for my definition of good) who wasnít seeing the connection between her sonís asthma and the clutter in the basement. She also was turning off dehumidifier to save money. It took some training, and I DID share some personal experience with her about my familiesí asthma. Now, years later, she continues to keep clutter up off the floor, and nobody every gets to unplug the dehumidifier.

She also knows I spray, pull, and otherwise target all of the ragweed that has just invaded that particular neighborhood. This is a really bad year for ragweed. It is blooming early, and growing abundantly. So, those with allergies might assume itís indoor conditions, but it might be both. Between targeting mildew and ragweed, both my tenantís son, and I, breathe easier at that house.

Mold (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 11:39 AM

I would not renew their lease and i would immediately give them the option to move without penalty. They are not a good fit for the house as they wont run the needed equipment to live there. Run it ans dont complain about heat or other issues. Soon it's your problem... wait that is now. I would avoid this mold appointment coming up. --172.58.xx.xx

Mold (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 11:58 AM

I would cancel the mold remediation. Waste of money in your case-unless it is free? I would tell the technician not to say anything in front of the tenant if you go through with it. A dehumidifier does not use that much electric especially compared to leaving the TV on, lights on..

Mold (by Bill [PA]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 12:13 PM

It is a free evaluation...I will review the results before mentioning anything to the tenants. To me it's just common sense...use the dehumidifier. --137.103.x.x

Mold (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 12:39 PM

Thereís a reason the evaluation free: because theyíre going to do everything they can to sell you and the resident fear and panic. If ďhealth concernsĒ are being brought up, itís time for them to go as you donít want them living somewhere dangerous.

Mold (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 2:16 PM

Mold is a lifestyle like dog poop, either they can keep a clean place or not, neglected mildew can cause mold - the biggest health problem regarding mold is erratic mental situations when someone thinks there are dollars hiding that they want so be very careful with how you proceed after cleaning out the bathroom vent fan and taking pictures of the damp towels and clothes hanging around here and there which retain moisture until the laundry hamper gets them.

Mold (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Jul 28, 2021 8:28 PM

I hate "mold people". They get nasty especially when they have children. "I don't want my babies to get sick!" I would move them out or give Happy Clause. They tend also to get fixated on the issue. I had a young tenant once who was convinced there was mold behind a kitchen wall from an old roof leak. Our inspection was not good enough for him, so he removed the wallpaper and tore out a section of wall. No mold.

Mold (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2021 6:08 PM

Pa doesn't have an air quality law.

If you are getting mold though, you have a moister issue that needs to get resolved. Where is the mold issue at in the house and can you install French Drain system to pull the water away from your building?

Mold (by Bill [PA]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2021 6:47 PM

I need to convince the tenants to use the dehumidifier. They don't like the heat it makes. --137.103.x.x

Mold (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2021 11:16 AM

Tell them in no uncertain terms. Remind them the refrigerator also makes heat.

The difference in comfort in a house with high humidity and low humidity more than makes up for the heat generated by the dehumidifier. And there is always the option of spending big bucks to put in Therma-tru dehumidifier, which is ultra high-efficiency. Very pricey, but very quiet, effficient, reliable. Our own has. Been going for, oh, over twenty years, I think. Still works like a champ.

Mold (by Bill [PA]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 12:13 PM

I can't find the Therma-tru dehumidifier still in production.

Maybe not in PA? And probably more pricey than I'd like! --137.103.x.x

Mold (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2021 12:48 PM

If they dont like the heat then give them the happy clause. Run the Dehumidifier or move. I would not put up with their nonsense. They are creating a situation you don't want to be in. Be gone with them - or soon it will be gone with you.

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