love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 7, 2021 4:17 PM|
love of money (by WMH [NC]) Jun 7, 2021 4:54 PM
love of money (by Pat [VA]) Jun 7, 2021 4:55 PM
love of money (by P.B. [MI]) Jun 7, 2021 4:58 PM
love of money (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 7, 2021 5:00 PM
love of money (by Ken [NY]) Jun 7, 2021 5:17 PM
love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 7, 2021 5:46 PM
love of money (by Richard [MI]) Jun 7, 2021 5:49 PM
love of money (by MAP [NY]) Jun 7, 2021 5:50 PM
love of money (by Sisco [MO]) Jun 7, 2021 5:55 PM
love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 7, 2021 6:05 PM
love of money (by WMH [NC]) Jun 7, 2021 6:15 PM
love of money (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 7, 2021 6:36 PM
love of money (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 7, 2021 7:20 PM
love of money (by plenty [MO]) Jun 7, 2021 7:22 PM
love of money (by RB [MI]) Jun 7, 2021 7:48 PM
love of money (by MikeA [TX]) Jun 7, 2021 8:10 PM
love of money (by Smokowna [MD]) Jun 7, 2021 10:33 PM
love of money (by LindaJ [NY]) Jun 7, 2021 10:35 PM
love of money (by S i d [MO]) Jun 8, 2021 7:47 AM
love of money (by WMH [NC]) Jun 8, 2021 8:23 AM
love of money (by S i d [MO]) Jun 8, 2021 9:02 AM
love of money (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 8, 2021 2:49 PM
love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 8, 2021 5:18 PM
love of money (by Bill [KY]) Jun 8, 2021 7:56 PM
love of money (by Salernitana [CA]) Jun 8, 2021 9:08 PM
love of money (by Bill [KY]) Jun 9, 2021 10:48 AM
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love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 4:17 PM
I don't really understand why that in life some things don't come to realization until later on. I know some of it has to do with the environment that we live in and how we are brain washed, I mean raised, as a kid. It seems that over time and with experience that we start to realize things that we didn't before. Probably the biggest eye opener is getting educated. The last 2 1/2 years here on my journey to get educated about rentals and finances has really been helpful but I realize that it is a long journey and I have a long way to go.
The other day, I just came to a new realization. I have been taught most of my life to hate money. I was raised in a single parent home by someone who's parents were from the true hills of TN and from a very poor lifestyle and lack of education. My single parent was also in a very poor lifestyle and lack of education. She somehow got obsessed with religion and never took the time to learn anything else. Maybe she didn't realize that she should, IDK. I heard her say many times, over the years, how the love of money was the root of all evil. This came straight out of her most beloved book. She always mentioned how that rich people were greedy and she always judged everyone. She must have missed part in her book not to judge. Maybe she was being selective. The funny thing, is that it was those who were better off then us that would bring us food and there kids old clothes, which were still like new to us, they were just out of style but we were thrilled to get them. They would bring us kids toys on Christmas. I realized even then that it was the greedy rich she talk about were the ones who were life savers for us kids and her. She still thinks and talks the same way today as she hasn't studied anything different. It just hit me really hard the other day that I was taught to hate money and was never taught about money otherwise. Even school didn't teach it, that really makes no since. It would have been a lot easier to start learning that as a kid. I was taught out of the wrong book by the wrong person. Now, to move forward and learn about money.
Thank you for listening.
love of money (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 4:54 PM
I don't know if you can really *blame* your mother, 6x6. Well not entirely - it's a generational thing. She taught you as she was taught. It's hard to break those cycles. Not many do.
You are doing well to seek out new ideas and new role models, and you are still well young enough to benefit in many many ways. --50.82.xxx.xxx
love of money (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 4:55 PM
I think about this subject a lot. The irony of selling what you have & give it to the poor? Then you're poor too? I mean I get the story about the rich young ruler that said he was going to tear down his barns & build bigger ones, but he was stingy towards God & he was told, "Thou fool, this day thy soul is required of thee." Our Maker and Creator can do that, it might be this day, we don't know.
Until that, I enjoy being independent of my fellow man. I like to give to charities. I enjoy having property & having money in the bank. I don't want to be in need of anything and have to ask for it.
Yes, I think it is a sin to want it all or envy something my neighbor has.
But I had a guy that called me today & wanted me to let him go through the middle of one of our rentals, because he bought some land that is way, away from electricity. I ask him why didn't he check into the cost of that before he bought that land? He could have negotiated the value of the line into that property. I asked him why did he want to make "his" problem, "my" problem? So am I a bad Christian for not letting him go across my land? It is a four acre lot that I don't want additional limitations set on it. --71.219.xx.xxx
love of money (by P.B. [MI]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 4:58 PM
Your single parent sounds like my mother-in-law. She was always saying they couldn't afford anything, even with money in the bank. We would take them to dinner, when we visited, and I had to leave the table last or she would steel the tip. Could never say a nice thing about anyone, even her husband. It made me wonder what she said about me, behind my back.
And you are right. Parents, schools or someone needs to teach kids about spending money, wisely. I did teach my children. I taught them to work and pay their bills. I taught them to live within their means. That caused a divorce, for my son, as his wife racked up over $13,000 in credit card bills, behind his back. He would ask her how she could afford an item and she lied saying her Mom took her shopping and paid for it. Until he arrived home early, as he works outside, and it rained. He picked up the mail and had a shock.
I do this when I think about making a purchase. I ask myself- Do I want it? Or do I need it? It sure makes a difference.
And I do totally understand your upbringing. The "Snobby rich people" in town, my Mom disliked, because they had money, made sure we had Christmas gifts, also. It is something I will never forget. --67.22.x.xxx
love of money (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 5:00 PM
This week Jeffery will be handing out PHDs on money for those willing to listen.
The good news is you saw the light and had the sense to start learning from folks whom you want to be like. Your momma sounds like a fine person to learn moral principles from. Maybe not so much about money though.
Now some humor?
As for me, I started out without to much and after paying this last years taxes - I still have just about all of that left. --72.23.xxx.xx
love of money (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 5:17 PM
The govt doesnt teach about money in schools because they dont want people to be capable of taking care of themselves and being independent,they want them just capable of running the machines of production,paying there taxes and voting for who they are told will hand them the most freebies. --72.231.xxx.xxx
love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 5:46 PM
What is kind of ironic is she liked T
I don't think she did anything with evil intent or to do harm as it is generational as WMH pointed out and it is difficult to change. My sisters followed her path. My mother added the religion from somewhere but, to my understanding, it was not from her parents. IDK
love of money (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 5:49 PM
Ken (NY) - Exactly right.
Pat(VA) - Don't let them run it over your land. It will likely create an easement that lowers your land value. Their mistakes are not your obligations to fix or lose money over.
6x6(TN)- That stuff you've been fed about money is, in my opinion a misinterpretation of the bible. I've met MANY people that say the same thing. It's just jealousy and envy working on them and fueling their hate and resentment of people that are more successful. Socialists LOVE this as it let's them encourage bitterness and resentment between those who have and have not.
When you see it or hear it, get these people out of your life if possible and just ignore them if not possible. It's like they drank poison and usually there is no cure.
Instead, make friends and hang out with people who are successful and have money. Then your life will move upward and be better. --24.180.xx.xx
love of money (by MAP [NY]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 5:50 PM
I was raised similarly to parents who were religious zealots and immigrants that had socialistic tendencies. Would always quip "the idle rich." Well from what I seen in personal experience the rich are the most hardworking generally speaking it is the idle poor that we have in this country. --72.231.xxx.xx
love of money (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 5:55 PM
The us against them way of thinking absolves us of all our errors. Coupled with a sense that poverty = spiritual superiority you wind up with some strange and totally unbiblical views.
If the Good Samaritan had been broke, he couldn't have paid to care for / house the injured man. --67.43.xxx.xxx
love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 6:05 PM
"Coupled with a sense that poverty = spiritual superiority you wind up with some strange and totally unbiblical views"
SO true. Everything was a sin. Wearing shorts, jeans, long hair, ect....
love of money (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 6:15 PM
It's not love of money that drives us. It's wanting to take care of ourselves, not be a burden to our children, be able to handle life's emergencies on our own if possible.
I always told my kids, 'Our gift to you is you won't have to foot the nursing home bill if it comes to that. Take care of yourselves and we'll take care of us.'
If there is any left over, they will get it evenly split. --50.82.xxx.xxx
love of money (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 6:36 PM
What learned over lifetime is that unlike my parents who only did minor repairs eventually major renovations would be required. A rental building is a business operation where there must be improvements in energy efficiency along with major capital investments to extend the life of the building along with as operating expenses go down then there are more funds to make more improvements. Even though in some buildings was not paying for heat made energy improvements where the lower utility costs the more attractive it was for tenants. If times get difficult then vacancies can be reduced. It is like a slice of bread where one slice at a time energy efficiency can be improved where over time the costs to tenants can be reduced. A business that goes side ways is more likely to fail in difficult times. --99.236.xxx.xxx
love of money (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 7:20 PM
Wow 6x6, what a great expose of something that's been on your mind. You're willingness to be vulnerable and to learn is admirable.
Our upbringing certainly sets the stage for who we might become, but we must always remember that we do not have to be a victim to our past. As you have noted, we can choose to rise above and move on.
Kudos on realizing that. --99.92.xxx.xxx
love of money (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 7:22 PM
I'm goin to challenge you to flip this over. How loving of your mom to be a negative role model. We all need them, sometimes the example is not out of a Mother's love. She gave you contrast and you watched and learned. You are the generation that transition your family name. You were not taught to hate money, you learned to put people first, then money, you were taught that people love people, many loved you, perhaps you learned lots by the example mom set, thank her everytime you can. --172.58.xx.xxx
love of money (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 7:48 PM
Find a good Therapist. --71.15.xxx.xxx
love of money (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 8:10 PM
Unfortunately, like many bible versus, that one was taken out of context. A little further in that same chapter it says this:
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.
So, being rich isn't a problem biblically, it's when Money takes a place higher than God in your life that this chapter is warning about.
I wouldn't condemn your mother. I would bet that a preacher at some point, in his own misunderstanding of scripture, took this out of context and presented it to her. It also sound like she also had a rough upbringing and was doing the best she could do to raise you with good morals. Fortunately, you recognize the opportunities that comes with better education, particularly about money. King Solomon was the richest king across all time, how did he get that way? He asked God for wisdom and discernment(1 Kings 3). --64.130.xx.xx
love of money (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 10:33 PM
For some to understand money, they need to convert it to energy. It took loads of energy to get to where I am,. When you waste my utilities because you can't sensibly use the furnace or AC, you are not wasting dollars, but rather my getting up early and working.
Specifically the working I did years ago which kept me from having a more common life. (In the case of the good landords on this forum. That work kept them from their own kids at times).
I have a lot of respect for all the boards I carried, the dirt I cleaned.
Ironically, I don't really care about money enough. I would be better off if money was my goal or motivation. I like people and I like houses.
I'm certain I'll get a lot of insults hurled at me as I join the ranks of you rich landlords.
But for today, I need to find some yard sale shoes....May the good Lord above make Saturday a nice warm yard sale day!
love of money (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2021 10:35 PM
Somewhere I read how much influence our mothers have on who we become, either we end up just like them, or we do the exact opposite. It is so true.
I grew up with in a family that worked hard for more money. And didn't spend a lot of it. My parents are still in that mode, but now that I have retired and look at my wealth, I realize I can go buy something when I want it. I just don't want a lot.
When my daughter was young. I would always ask her if she needed it or wanted it. Of course a need meant she would get it, if she wanted it, she would probably get it, but sometimes I just said no so she would realize she didn't get everything she wanted. She admited that to this day, she even asks herself if she needs it or wants it before deciding to spend the money. --71.164.xx.xx
love of money (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 7:47 AM
6x6, you chose one of my favorite verses when teaching on stewardship. First, let me say how pleased I am to hear that you've come to realize that the "teaching" your mother gave you on that passage was a result of her misunderstanding. As others have said, there are many people who pick and choose 1 or 2 verses from the Bible and twist them to fit their warped sense of reality.
We know this is true for several reasons:
1) Job was one of the richest men in the Bible, and God held him up as the example for all others, rewarding him for his faithfulness.
2) King David had vast wealth. Not as great as his son Solomon, but he was called "a man after [God's] own heart."
3) Jesus and his disciples' ministry was sponsored by wealthy women who became his followers.
And on and on....
"LOVE OF money is the root of ALL KINDS of evil" is the correct verse. Which means as long as you don't LOVE money, there shouldn't be any problems.
I like Dave Ramsey's teaching on this: Money is like a brick. You can use it to build a free hospital for sick children or you can use it to smash a stained glass window. The brick doesn't care: it's just a brick.
Money is amoral. It has no morals. It can be used for good or for evil. It can feed the poor (like our church did with the Ventures campaign this past year to help alleviate 3rd world hunger brought on by C-19 shut downs), or it can be used to indulge vanity (like gambling/drinking away your child's college fund).
The money doesn't care: it's just a tool. Sort of like guns, but we won't go into that here. (*wink)
There's also a messed up teaching on "don't judge". That verse gets taken out of context by atheists and anyone who wants to wave their moral superiority in your face. Don't fall for that old trick. The verse in context says this:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye, when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." -- Matt Chapter 7
This verse clearly says we ARE to judge (remove the speck from someone elses' eye)...once we have removed the hypocrisy (the plank) from our lives. Do I sin with money? Then I should fix myself first...THEN judge others who also sin with money. "Casting pearls before swing" is textbook for "sharing wisdom, but only with those who will listen."
We are not to judge hypocritically. We are to judge justly.
Jesus says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly." John 7:24
It can't be much clearer than that. Jesus says to judge...correctly!
Fix yourself first: then help others fix themselves.
So now we've seen and conquered two myths about Christians. To sum up:
#1 Money belongs to God. He gives it to use to use to care for our own needs and the needs of others. It is not evil. It is not good. It's just a tool. The more you have, the more good you can do!
#2 Judging is appropriate and in fact it is specifically commanded. Just be sure you put your own house in order first, or you're a hypocrite who will be judged as unrighteous even though you spend all day judging others instead of fixing yourself.
Keep learning, keep growing, keep serving the kingdom!
love of money (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 8:23 AM
Sid, this "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" reminded me immediately of the instructions on a plane: "First put your own oxygen mask on, then help others."
Because if you don't, you may find yourself *unable* to help others.
Just a little secular comparison. --50.82.xxx.xxx
love of money (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 9:02 AM
WMH, yep. When one understands the Bible correctly, we find its wisdom all throughout our culture and society.
The best part of it though is that whatever trials, worries, sorrows, fears, and doubts we have in this world can all be put to rest at the feet of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Savior of the World. For anyone who is concerned with injustice, wickedness, etc. we have a promise that one day all of this will be put right. It's a warmly refreshing viewpoint.
Personally, I LIKE the concept of all creation standing before a righteous God on Judgment Day, because all injustices will be corrected and those who had a hard life on Earth but who put their hope in Jesus will have a blessed life in eternity, whereas those who have abused power, wealth, and influence in corrupt ways and "got away with it" here on Earth will finally be held accountable. This account in particular is moving to me...
"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.'" - Luke 16:19-25
The cold, uncaring Universe with no God offers no such justice. The poor and weak begin and end in misery and oblivion. The rich and powerful get away with murder (literally). Kind of depressing. I hunger to see justice served. --107.216.xxx.xxx
love of money (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 2:49 PM
RB from MI, I think your response was disrespectful and not helpful. --99.92.xxx.xxx
love of money (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 5:18 PM
Thank you everyone for the replies.
Sid, I have never heard it explained that way before. Thanks.
RB, I would be afraid of what they might find, hee hee.
Hoosier, thank you for your support.
Plenty, thank you for your perspective on that and the challenge. --73.120.xx.xxx
love of money (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 7:56 PM
Becoming more enlightened and questioning status quo is both a blessing and a curse. Most people never question anything, they just roll through life believing whatever they were told to believe. For most people, everything from the religion you practice to your favorite sports teams came from your parents. Most fanatic sports fans would cheer for the team they despise if they had been born in a different place. If you were born in the Middle East for example, you wouldn’t be a Christian for example. It’s so obvious yet so many slog through life loving or hating whatever their parents told them to love or hate. Kudos for not being a sheep. --107.77.xxx.xx
love of money (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 9:08 PM
Lebanon and Palestine, two countries in the Middle East, have Christian populations.
A public high school in California's Silicon Valley taught a class about basic money skills such working and managing monthly bills.
Perhaps, your own curiosity has helped to look at different ways of thinking outside of your family's mindset.
love of money (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2021 10:48 AM
Sealer (CA), you missed my point. Of course there are Christians in the Middle East. My point is a child born into a Christian family is likely to remain aligned with Christianity. A child born into a Buddhist family is likely to remain Buddhist. Why? Take your diehard sports fan loves Alabama football…he/she likely hates Auburn or Florida. If that same useful idiot was born in Florida, guess what, they’d be a Florida fan. For most, Everything from the food they eat, religion they practice, to their basic worldview is predictably engineered. Are there exceptions…of course. Are they common…no. --107.77.xxx.xx
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