LL vs Housing Provider (by Still Learning [NH]) Jun 3, 2021 10:27 PM|
LL vs Housing Provider (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jun 3, 2021 11:01 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Nicole [PA]) Jun 3, 2021 11:44 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 4, 2021 12:09 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Ken [NY]) Jun 4, 2021 12:28 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by RB [MI]) Jun 4, 2021 6:53 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 4, 2021 8:13 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Jun 4, 2021 8:53 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Allym [NJ]) Jun 4, 2021 9:11 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Alan [CA]) Jun 4, 2021 9:42 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Jun 4, 2021 9:46 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Busy [WI]) Jun 4, 2021 10:46 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Barb [MO]) Jun 4, 2021 11:09 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by S i d [MO]) Jun 4, 2021 11:11 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by RB [MI]) Jun 4, 2021 11:26 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Jun 4, 2021 11:47 AM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 4, 2021 3:21 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Hoosier [IN]) Jun 4, 2021 3:49 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jun 4, 2021 4:16 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 4, 2021 5:29 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Still Learning [NH]) Jun 4, 2021 10:50 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by Wilma [PA]) Jun 5, 2021 1:38 PM
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Jun 8, 2021 7:30 AM
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LL vs Housing Provider (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jun 3, 2021 10:27 PM
In another thread Sid mentioned the potential of using the term housing provider turning into exactly that, we provide housing but govt determines if we get paid, how we screen, etc. The new term was to move away from the negative connotation of landlord owning and having control over tenants. I couldnít find the thread again and have not stated it as well as Sid. What are your thoughts? Does the term housing provider get rid of the negative connotation or do we walk right into that back firing because we are to provide housing to all for free this day in age?
LL vs Housing Provider (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 3, 2021 11:01 PM
I prefer "Housing Vendor."
While the term "landlord" may have a negative connotation to tenants, I think "housing provider" has way too positive a connotation to tenants. After all, to provide does not imply being paid to provide.
Landords, housing providers and housing vendors will always have a negative image with the public because we want to get paid for allowing someone to stay in our rentals. Right now, too many tenants feel housing is a right and should be free. And as history proves, entitlement creates scarcity. If no one is willing to pay for it, no one is willing to provide it. But, of course we'll get blamed for that too. --108.69.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jun 3, 2021 11:44 PM
I am an investor. I am a property owner. In the tenant's eyes, I am a landlord. Doesn't matter what I want to identify as, landlord is a landlord. That's what my state calls me. That's what I call myself. That's what my insurance company calls me. That's what all my municipalities call me. That's what every local newspaper article or 6:00 news segment calls me. That's what tenants and prospective tenants call me. --72.70.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 12:09 AM
I agree with Nicole. Unfortunately, we can't control what we're called. Perhaps the only way we can get away from the name landlord is if we truly operate as investors and hire someone to manage the day-to-day. At this point I'm not prepared to do that, so landlord it is I guess. --209.122.xx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 12:28 AM
I am a landlord.I dont care what the tenants or the city think of me,just pay the rent.I think Housing provider sounds weak and is just another liberal term to weaken the industry --72.231.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 6:53 AM
Right on, Ken. --199.192.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 8:13 AM
I don't mind LL and don't see what the big deal is. If they don't like it then they can go somewhere else.
However, here is another one:
Housing Qualifying Manager --73.120.xx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 8:53 AM
Landlord not only has historical AND current negative connotations, it is exclusively a male term. "Landlady" is the feminine term and to me, that sounds weak or like someone who runs a boarding house for women, and comes knocking on bedroom doors to collect the rent.
My tenants say "my landlords" coupling us into one unit.
But the term Housing Provider describes what we DO - and just because you provide something doesn't mean it's free! Child Care Provider, Medical Provider, Application Service Provider, Employment Service Provider (I looked some up.)
If we want to get the negative press off our backs we need to redefine what we do: we provide housing. We don't take a portion of our tenants' crops, we don't have any sort of authority over them whatsoever - except to collect agreed upon RENT, which makes them RENTERS not Tenants.
Landlords are universally despised; seen as greedy, uncaring, ready to evict at the drop of the hat, never fixes anything and is basically a slumlord. Just look at landlord cartoon characters over the year: all bad.
"Snidely whiplash" from the Dudley DoRight cartoons of yore: Dudley was always saving Tess from her evil landlord.
Anyway, there is always resistance to changing terms: look at the uproad when the word "person" was substituted for man in many professions back in the 1970's, 1989's. People said it was silly. But it's not. Words matter.
LL vs Housing Provider (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 9:11 AM
It's an old term and quickly understood. I list myself as a "nice landlord" on Twitter. It's not a pretty word but it is what it is. --108.24.xx.xx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Alan [CA]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 9:42 AM
I am 'Property Manager'. --71.198.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 9:46 AM
t t p s ://spoa.com/the-moral-virtues-of-landlords/
Very interesting essay!!! Just a tidbit, but the article focuses on what the landlord does RIGHT: for the property, for the neighborhood, for the tenant...it's a good read.
"We have found our way to Adam Smithís famous dictum: ďIt is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.Ē --50.82.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 10:46 AM
Iím a landlord. And a Grandma. And a wife. And a downright decent human being ( oops, well.. umm... not always... but usually. And then there are those days....)
I prefer to spend the time actually improving the relationships with my tenants, rather than just trying to rebrand the same old same old.
Itís not the term thatís the problem. And most tenants either donít think about their landlords, or they like them. Itís the few landlords who do stooped stuff, just like itís the few tenants who do stooped stuff, that get all the attention.
Maybe spend less time on social media, and more time enjoying actual people if the names people call you bothers you...... jusí sayiní --70.92.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 11:09 AM
I'm a property manager - I manage property owned by a small company of investors.
I'm a real estate investor.
I'm a real estate developer - I build new construction to improve the available housing options in my community.
My lease referrs to the owner/manager as the "Lessor" and the tenant as the "lessee".
I never refer to myself as a "landlord". That said, the Attorney General of the State of MO has a pamphlet about "Landlord/Tenant Law"
There is no way to get away from that term. --67.43.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 11:11 AM
The law calls me a land lord, so there's no escaping that term until/if the law is changed. Playing semantic games doesn't improve our image: maintaining our properties and treating tenants with respect does.
If we are Housing Providers, do we call tenants "Housing Recipients?" Does that make them more likely to pay rent and not punch holes in walls?
If someone can show me empirical data that proves these name changes make an improvement in the business, then I will consider doing so as well. Until then, I consider it all "feel-good, do-nothing" word games. --107.216.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 11:26 AM
Right on, Sid. --199.192.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 11:47 AM
No one cares what you call yourself, is the main thing. So I'll call myself a Housing Provider and you call yourself a Landlord - you do you!
I cannot call myself a Property Manager (my preferred term) as that has specific legal meaning in NC, and you can't be a Property Manager unless you are also a Broker in Charge.
Likewise, Resident means something different than Tenant. I use Renter.
Though now I'm leaning toward Lessee and Lessor. Which one is which LOL??? --50.82.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 3:21 PM
In the french specking provinces they referred to them as a owner not a landlord like in feudal times where tenants had a really difficult living under the lords. Suppose there were no rental housing providers where people would be homeless who were not able to buy their own house like the chairs of the tenancy advocates. When you think of local industry that buys goods and services locally where pays taxes locally then where do you look. It is easy to be a failure like the critics who would go bankrupt in six months if they received a rental complex. --99.236.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 3:49 PM
I like the term Housing Provider, but it will take generations to get the general population used to that name.
I had a realtor tell me about a year ago that they cannot use the term (company rule) "Master Bedroom" or "Master Bathroom" anymore in their ads because it has slavery connotations.
LL vs Housing Provider (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 4:16 PM
Besides mrhousingprovider.com doesn't sound as good. --108.69.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 5:29 PM
There were a couple of threads, like this one--
and this one--
Ultimately, it's a label. I'm not interested in marketing myself, or labeling myself, or trying to make myself consumer-friendly. People who want my service/product will apply for my houses regardless of my label, and people who don't want or need my service/product--- well, it doesn't matter to them, either. ;)
I'm still bound by the same rules, the same limitations, the same ethics and code of conduct, the same laws, and so on, regardless of whether I present myself as x, y, or z.
It doesn't make me better than other people. It doesn't make me worse than other people. I'm merely someone who has extra dwellings in my pocket, and am willing to allow someone else to make use of them as a place to keep their stuff, raise their families, and live their lives, in exchange for some $ every month, and with the expectation that you follow certain rules, like "don't hurt my house."
But the focus isn't on me. The focus is on the homes themselves. I'm merely the human agent who grants someone else legal permission to live there, and the person who keeps things clean/safe/functional. I'm only relevant to the extent that I'm also the person who can revoke their legal permission to continue keeping their stuff, raising their families, and living their lives at a certain address. So they gotta keep me happy... until I'm no longer useful to them, because life has taken them elsewhere. And then you better believe they stop worrying about keeping me happy, ha. ;)
(Although, to be truthful, I'm pretty important in that I rescue houses from the bulldozer in the first place. No one else has made the effort in the last 20-30 years as they started their slides into crumminess. But since I'm not dealing with the public at that point, no one cares about what to call me then. Fairy godmother is pretty appropriate, though, in that I'm throwing huge buckets of cash into the local economy.) --137.118.xx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jun 4, 2021 10:50 PM
Interesting views. I agree it is a business relationship and the labels are less important than how I care for my buildings, treat others, screen and have a thorough lease. I respect my tenants and expect respect in return. --75.67.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Jun 5, 2021 1:38 PM
I rarely refer to myself as the landlord. But when I go to check up on a house while the tenant is away (by mutual agreement), I always knock first, then unlock and call out, "Landlord" - just in case the tenant got back early or told Cousin Ricky that he could stay while he is in town and they are away.
I just considered calling out "Housing Provider!" or "Property Manager!". Nope, landlord just rolls off the tongue more easily. LOL --108.52.xxx.xxx
LL vs Housing Provider (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2021 7:30 AM
Hoosier, that is true according to my Realtor friends. Not something I never thought about until they brought it up.
I never thought about that, but I've always wondered what to call the OTHER bedrooms in the house besides Bed#2 or Bed#3 - is there a phrase used for them?
Wilma, we knock and call out "Hello? Anyone home?" Never thought to call out "Landlord!" --50.82.xxx.xxx
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