Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) May 22, 2021 9:22 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Homer [TX]) May 22, 2021 9:28 AM
Pit bull dogs (by W [CA]) May 22, 2021 9:40 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 22, 2021 9:49 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 22, 2021 9:56 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Pat [VA]) May 22, 2021 10:03 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 22, 2021 10:03 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Nicole [PA]) May 22, 2021 10:09 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 22, 2021 10:12 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Ken [NY]) May 22, 2021 10:14 AM
Pit bull dogs (by plenty [MO]) May 22, 2021 10:33 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Vee [OH]) May 22, 2021 10:37 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Allym [NJ]) May 22, 2021 10:41 AM
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) May 22, 2021 11:09 AM
Pit bull dogs (by S i d [MO]) May 22, 2021 11:14 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Larry [MN]) May 22, 2021 11:32 AM
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) May 22, 2021 11:36 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Bizman [GA]) May 22, 2021 11:43 AM
Pit bull dogs (by RB [MI]) May 22, 2021 12:21 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Sisco [MO]) May 22, 2021 12:36 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) May 22, 2021 1:08 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Ken [NY]) May 22, 2021 1:21 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) May 22, 2021 1:50 PM
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) May 22, 2021 2:14 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Robert J [CA]) May 22, 2021 2:15 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Ken [NY]) May 22, 2021 2:41 PM
Pit bull dogs (by gevans [SC]) May 22, 2021 2:48 PM
Pit bull dogs (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 22, 2021 3:40 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) May 22, 2021 4:21 PM
Pit bull dogs (by TJ [FL]) May 22, 2021 4:31 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Jerry [MA]) May 22, 2021 4:50 PM
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) May 22, 2021 5:56 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 22, 2021 6:03 PM
Pit bull dogs (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 23, 2021 12:24 AM
Pit bull dogs (by A.R. [ID]) May 23, 2021 9:16 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Jim [OH]) May 23, 2021 10:22 AM
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) May 23, 2021 11:06 AM
Pit bull dogs (by GKARL [PA]) May 23, 2021 12:12 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Live and Learn [TN]) May 26, 2021 12:43 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Ralph [WA]) Jun 1, 2021 7:15 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Lisa. [AZ]) Jun 2, 2021 10:44 PM
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 9:22 AM Message:
I know Pit Bulls have a bad reputation, however, does this breed really deserve the bad reputation? Has anyone here ever rented to a tenant that had a pit bull dog? Are there any dog behavior experts here?
I have a great applicant right now and her only red flag is she owns a Pit Bull. She claims she has had the dog since birth and has never trained it to be aggressive. I will get to meet the dog sometime this afternoon.
Would you give this applicant the time of day?
--68.63.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 9:28 AM Message:
I can’t. My lability insurance company prohibits agressive breeds. Too many applicants out there who don’t have them. --66.169.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by W [CA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 9:40 AM Message:
If you are desperate for Ts, and the dog appears friendly, it is a way to get your apt filled. Require pet insurance for 3d party injuries and a pet addendum and buy a sjambok whip ($30) and pepper spray for you just in case . . . Typical problem I've had is that you get the friendly female pitbull dog in, then the T sneaks in the unfriendly male fighting dog in later that he didn't tell you about . . . --174.65.x.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 9:49 AM Message:
I don't take them because my insurance company says no. There are a few insurance companies who do not have a dangerous dog list. You must know what your insurance coves and what it doesn't cover. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 9:56 AM Message:
I've worked as an animal control officer and I have also shown dogs all of my life. I've met a lot of pit bulls. Many more than the average person will ever meet.
The type of pitbull who came out of a cardboard box in front of the grocery store, that type runs about 50/50 between dogs I would not trust and dogs who seem to be typical friendly pet dogs. By 50% not to be trusted, they maybe haven't bitten, but I didn't like the way they looked at people or reacted to people.
The AKC registered American Staffordshire Terrier at the dog shows have fantastic temperaments. I'd stick my head in their mouth like a lion tamer. Lovely dogs, but my insurance company says no.
I also had an applicant show up with a British Staffordshire Terrier and gosh was that dog lovely. All wiggles and giggles for strangers and beautiful manners. But my insurance company says no. I would have been happy to own that dog myself. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:03 AM Message:
We had one as a stray that was about 6 months old when she showed up. She lived out her life in an outside kennel, as I knew what would probably happen to her if I called the local pound. She was the sweetest dog, BUT, she was food aggressive (I guess from being paper thin when she arrived) until the day she died, and also had a hair trigger personality towards other dogs.
Our insurance doesn't allow them either in the rentals. --47.133.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:03 AM Message:
The nuisance calls I went on involving pitbulls were for carelessly bred dogs belonging to druggy types, or low income types, or low motivated types of people.
My experience with tenants is that very few of them are motivated enough to actually train their dogs. If I am going to have untrained dogs in my rentals, those must be dogs with lovely temperaments. I don't want the types of dogs that need order and training and structure, because the tenants won't make the effort to do it.
So, if your insurance company doesn't object, the dog is clean and brushed and meets you with wiggles and giggles and a happy grin it might be OK, if, and only if, the dog is trained to walk on a leash and can sit and down and come on command and the dog has been trained to not jump on the people it greets. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:09 AM Message:
In Pennsylvania, the insurance companies can't prohibit specific dog breeds.
One of my girls has always had pit bulls. She is on number three now. Always had them from puppy on. They have all been incredibly friendly and well behaved.
When she goes for a walk, people cross to the other side of the street. When her children were small, she quit taking him to the park when they went to play because others would leave.
The one now is afraid of her own shadow. Balloons for the kids party? She is crouched under the coffee table. Fire works? Into the cellar she goes. Leaves swirling in the fall? She stands there and her head is on a swivel looking about in terror.
Would I ever allow a pit bull in one of my properties? No, unless it was my daughter's dog. It's like a child molester.... I don't want or need the hassle or others opinions of the situation. --72.70.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:12 AM Message:
This is important Roy: never accept a dog of any breed that is timid and shies away from people. Dogs should move towards you looking happy or, at the very least, stand without worry and allow you to pet.
By far, the majority of dog bites are fear bites. The dog bit because it was frightened and cornered and didn't have an easy means of escape.
Only accept dogs that think people are OK and are not a threat to the dog. If you have a dog in your rental, you want a friendly confident dog. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:14 AM Message:
Not me,i dont want them or the kind of tenant who thinks it is a good idea to own a pit bull when they need to find an apartment --72.231.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:33 AM Message:
They are sweet and wonderful until the day they are not. Don't rent to this person, you'll never be able to get inside to fix anything with out the dog being removed. --172.56.xx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:37 AM Message:
I mention the photo vet records and insurance naming me as interested party (so when policy lapses I get a notice) and I am the beneficiary for 1 million and that generally screens them plus the 500bux for unauthorized visiting - sitting or any animal on the property (Thanx WMH!) and they go down the road.
Works great on the sec8 folks too - applying to all applicants who can follow the rules. --76.188.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 10:41 AM Message:
So in N. Jersey last month, two of them came through a back yard fence and killed a three year old boy. His mother ran out and covered him with her body but the child died anyway and she ended up in ER. All dogs will get mad and bite but these were bred to manage large bovine bulls on farms by hanging onto it's nose to save the life of the farmer if one got free. I read their bite has 300 lbs per square inch and have read that people who own them have a pry bar to open the dog's jaw if it clamps down on something. They bite and hang on. And they are large and well muscled. The head is big because that is all muscle around the jaws. One in the yard behind my house decided it wanted to get me and began to take down the wooden fence. I noticed one day it was almost through and called animal control and the fence guy. It cost me $600 to put back the fence sections but he came out in an hour and pulled one of his guys off another job. His son had been put in the hospital by a pit while on a fence job. I am a long term customer and he didn't want me to get hurt.
Personally, I was dragged around the yard by the arm by one when I was a kid. It belonged to my little friend from down the street and dogs were allowed to run loose then. We were throwing sticks for it to fetch and I had the stick and it grabbed my arm instead of the stick. My mother came out and chased it. I had deep purple bruises on my arm.
More recently one rushed out of a yard on my street and did $1000 damage to a small dog walked by a disabled vet. I had intuition about this and talked to him an asked him what he would do if a pit rushed out of somewhere and grabbed his dog. No one knew there was a pit at that house. The owner was giving the dog a bath in the front yard and it broke away and went right for the little dog being walked. When I used to walk my little Shih Tzu a man with a pit tried to walk up to us all the time and I would pick her up and walk away fast. He would yell at me "he's friendly. He's friendly". Then the same man was walking the pit and it attacked and killed a small old bichon right in front of it's owner. I heard terrible screaming from my house and intuition told me "don't go down there" so I didn't. I knew the animal control guy, former tenant, and told him about the deliberate walking toward me. The guy was fined $4,000.
I suggest you don't take her and that she find a single family home where her dog can't hurt anyone. --108.24.xx.xx |
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 11:09 AM Message:
Roy, we have dog BREEDS for a reason: they are BRED for certain specific characteristics. That's what the Westminster Dog Show is all about. NATURE vs. Nurture there. You can't nurture a poodle to become a Labrador.
We breed for looks, temperament, abilities...
A retriever retrieves, a shepherd herds, dobermans are natural-born guard dogs...the list goes on.
A pit bull is bred with strong jaws and muscles that can clamp on and won't let go.
We've all heard of the family pit that went nuts one day and attacked its owner or a neighbor or (much more common so often not a news item) a small white dog! They seem to hate small white dogs.
We've had a few pit mixes - they are everywhere, especially if the dog is a rescue - but the more they look like they have that pit head, the less interested I am in renting to them. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 11:14 AM Message:
Don't ask us. Ask your insurance carrier. --107.216.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Larry [MN]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 11:32 AM Message:
They can be great dogs. But I agree with Ken; a renter who thinks owning a pit bull is a good idea has very poor decision making skills. --174.53.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 11:36 AM Message:
Roy is in the south. It's like his insurance carrier doesn't have a dangerous dog list. Mine doesn't. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Bizman [GA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 11:43 AM Message:
I think the rent pool is broad enough for you to pass and quickly get another viably good potential tenant w/o this breed. No matter what anyone could ever say about this animal, isn't it still a pit-bull? --73.184.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by RB [MI]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 12:21 PM Message:
What kind of marbles are you playing with ? --199.192.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 12:36 PM Message:
13 y/o boy was very nearly killed by a pit bull 2 months ago in my town. He has had many surgeries these past weeks and will require many more.
Dog was a neighbor’s dog and attacked the boy as he left his house. The episode brought into focus how wrong headed we are to accommodate the nitwits who want these dogs. --67.43.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 1:08 PM Message:
Thanks Oregon for your advice,..you seem to be an expert on this subject.
90% of my tenant pool has dogs. I have a tenant who has 2 full grown Great Danes. I make a fortune off pet fees which are just added on the rent each month. I probably can get a double pet fee on Pit Bull. Plus, this small 2/1 house has a very large fenced in backyard and most tenants who rent this particular house rent it just for the backyard.
That being said, I will call my insurance agent on Monday and discuss this issue with him. --68.63.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 1:21 PM Message:
Roy,you cant compare Pit Bulls to Great Danes,Great Danes are large but friendly,i doubt they are even on most insurance companies lists --72.231.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 1:50 PM Message:
Ken,
There is Labrador retriever that lives next door to me and anyone who knows this dog know he is the sweetest and most friendly dog around. Dog's name is Hogan. However, when the UPS man shows up in his brown delivery truck, this sweet and lovable Lab goes into 'attack mode' for no apparent reason. My only point here, ALL DOGS have some form of aggression inside them and will (or can) attack if they feel their territory is being threatened.
So, why are friendly Pit Bulls any different than nice and friendly Labradors or Great Danes? I feel sure a Great Dane can be aggressive when it wants to?
I think the real issue here is not the dog but the dog owners,...in that, 'will they take responsibility for the actions of their own pets'? --68.63.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 2:14 PM Message:
Roy, Hogan is not bred to aggression, but he has a trigger - the UPS man. Any dog could bite - especially out of fear and it sounds as if he is afraid of the UPS man, either for himself or his owner.
But while a Lab, if it attacks, can do real damage or even kill - as any large dog can - it CAN be kicked, slapped, pulled back and off. You CANNOT get a pit bull to let go if they decide not to. That's why they are so scary. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 2:15 PM Message:
I love animals but often hate people! Why? Because they don't take the time to love and train their pets. As a child their parents did all of the heavy lifting when it came to taking care of the animals. So as parents now, these spoiled brat tenants think their dogs will vaccinate themselves, purchase and eat their own food and pick up after themselves.
I rented an apartment with it's own private back yard, 50' x 30'. This is a no pets property but the tenant took in a rescue dog, a large Pit Bull. Before the dogs second birthday, I noticed it wasn't chained up in the tenants back yard. So I asked them, where's the beast? They responded he ran away!
What I found out is the dog got loose and attacked someone. So my tenants response is, "we don't have a dog, It's not mine". Just to get out of being a responsible party. --47.155.xx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 2:41 PM Message:
Roy,Go find me 5 stories of Great Danes attacking a little kid or neighbor,you probably cant because they dont attack anyone very often.You could find hundreds of stories of Pit Bulls attacking someone,I dont care why but it happens.Great Dane owners dont seem to be a bunch of trouble makers like some Pit Bull owners do. --72.231.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 2:48 PM Message:
Almost every pit bull I have known was a sweet and loving animal. And my insurance company (SF) does not have a dangerous dog list (I asked).
But I still don't allow pits in my rentals. Can you hear the judge? "You allowed a PIT BULL in your rental, KNOWING how dangerous they are?"
I have, after meeting the dog, allowed...mixed breed...dogs. If they call it a pit or a pit mix, not allowed.
We broke all the rules last Christmas and dog sat for a tenant while she was out of town. He's a mix...yep, that mix... and one of my best friends. He didn't want to go home when they returned. LOL --69.80.xx.xx |
Pit bull dogs (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 3:40 PM Message:
Roy,
Headline never printed: Toy poodle mauls child.
I HAVE been bitten by Chihuahuas! And cats!
I’m like Ken and gevans- not worth the hassle or publicity. Same as sex offenders. Not all are evil (public urination counts as SO) but the attys, judges, newspaper, and neighbors love to hate.
BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 4:21 PM Message:
Okay, okay,...I know I can't win a Pit Bull dog argument with you all but at least I thought I would try. I will just have to get my pet fees from another applicant who probably has a Chihuahua or a Dachshund which, IMO, are much worse than pit bulls are. --68.63.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by TJ [FL]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 4:31 PM Message:
Warning Will Robinson!
Stop yourself from risking potentially everything.
--174.212.x.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Jerry [MA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 4:50 PM Message:
Require renters insurance, with any animals (which would include ESAs) to be specifically listed and named. That way you can deny dangerous breeds (including ESAs) because they can't get insurance. If for some reason they are able to get insurance, then you can ban pets (but not ESAs) that are dangerous breeds if your own insurance won't allow them. --71.233.xxx.xx |
Pit bull dogs (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 5:56 PM Message:
Roy, I *have* rented to a few pits bulls in the past. One memorable guy was named Chunk and smiled like a crazy dog. He was all slobber and kisses and fun.
But one day I noticed his owner was paying careful attention to him out in the yard, grabbing him and pushing him down by the neck a few times to keep him in place. And when I looked around there was another dog nearby. Now Chunk played happily with his neighbor dogs - who lived on property with him - but this one lived next door. And apparently, certain instincts in Chunk took over his pea brain and his owner became really concerned about him. They moved not long after. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 22, 2021 6:03 PM Message:
My insurance agent told me that Pits account for more 40% of all bite claims from all breeds.
I am absolutely sure that there are plenty of great PB out there and many responsible owners. It is a shame that some idiot with their pants dragging around his ankles, have allowed an entire breed to define how cool you are. Auto Owners Insurance will not allow PB so I can't allow them. --24.154.xx.x |
Pit bull dogs (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 23, 2021 12:24 AM Message:
For what it’s worth...I talked to my local Animal Control Officer about pits in regards to insurance lists. In his opinion...a true pitbull would cost a lot of money ($500 and up for a puppy) so few if any are actual pits. Most are a blend.
Daughter 20,000 assists at the Indianapolis Mega Pet Adoption event. Over a weekend shelters from central Indiana bring cats and dogs. They adopt out over 1000 animals. The non-pits go instantly because all the others are pit blends.
BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by A.R. [ID]) Posted on: May 23, 2021 9:16 AM Message:
My friend was in surgery for 6 hours after meeting up with a pit bull. The fact that my friend had a black belt in karate did not make a difference. His leg will never be the same. Another friend tried to pick up her sons pit toy one day in the yard and that triggered an attack. If my friends husband had not been home to rescue her - she would be dead. I say no to pits. Who needs that type of risk and stress? --160.3.xx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Jim [OH]) Posted on: May 23, 2021 10:22 AM Message:
I was doing a total HVAC changeover from fuel oil to propane. This required a lot of on site time. I was outdoors to set and bury the propane tank, set the condensing unit to running the fuel line to the house. The extremely expensive pit couldn't have cared less about my presence.
Pulling the old fuel tanks and furnace from the basement didn't seem to rouse the pit's attention either.
This job required a total duct fabrication install on the first and second floors with all new registers and trunk lines.
That dog got very protective about the interior space and had to be crated the entire time I was working inside. The animal got so aggressive and protective that I had to insist on them crating the beast even when they were home. If I don't see a wagging tail, you'll find me in the truck on the phone.
They recently have been blessed with a newborn daughter. I hope that daughter fares better than I did.
I am zero cherry tolerant now. --184.57.xxx.xx |
Pit bull dogs (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 23, 2021 11:06 AM Message:
I have called my Pit Bull owner and told her I will not be renting to her. That is the end of that. --68.63.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: May 23, 2021 12:12 PM Message:
Good decision Roy. I don't take Pits. I was unaware it was against the law for insurance companies to put them on a restricted breed list here in PA, regardless, they're on my restricted list. --209.122.xx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Live and Learn [TN]) Posted on: May 26, 2021 12:43 PM Message:
I have a list of prohibited breeds from my insurance company and do not allow those. But, I also restrict dogs to under 40 pounds. This alone eliminates a good portion of the "aggressive breeds." Larger dogs tend to cause dog trots in the yard as well as tear up the fence and deck when they get bored. I've noticed that smaller dogs typically stay in the house and are treated as a family member, but larger dogs are often left outside all of the time as "guard dogs." This causes boredom and destruction and can cause issues with the neighbors. --68.47.xxx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Ralph [WA]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2021 7:15 PM Message:
I rented to a couple who had a pit. It bit one of the neighbor kids and I got sued. Nuff said. --50.125.xx.xxx |
Pit bull dogs (by Lisa. [AZ]) Posted on: Jun 2, 2021 10:44 PM Message:
My husband had a rescue pit when we got engaged. She was loyal to family, but before we were family, she lunged at my brother's throat when he was sitting on the floor watching a movie.
Same dog also cornered a 12 year old girl who entered the house when her dad was repairing our carpet. Thankfully the tile was too slippery and the dog didn't make it to the girl before I got to her. It was a millisecond from possible disaster.
She also bit the hand of one of my husband's friends when we were on vacation and the house sitter let her in. Emergency room visit and dog was quarantined.
He always warned me that I couldn't pet his dog. I would always repeat that warning as I was gently pinning her down to clip her nails. She was not a fan, but she allowed ME to do it. Barely. She "chirped" whenever I had to do it. (If you have one of those pits, you know that sound!)
A friend has 2 pits: one small female and a beefy stray male she took in. When she sent me pictured from the emergency room of her split lip, I swore it was the male, but she told me it was the sweet female. Lucky for her a plastic surgeon was on that shift and you literally cannot even tell by looking at her!
I don't know... Sometimes if you raise a dog well it won't be an issue, but it's a whole different thing to take that risk for your own dog that you love as opposed to for a tenant's dog.
No more pits for us - at home or in the rentals. Just not worth losing everything in a lawsuit if the worst happened. --174.205.xxx.xxx |
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