LL Settles Sex Harrassmen

Landlord accused of sexual harassment against tenants agrees to court oversight -- A Spring Valley landlord accused of repeated sexual harassment against female tenants has entered into a consent order with the federal government, an agreement that subjects him to a $580,000 civil judgement while still allowing him to be a landlord under oversight. Kristina Davis in the San Diego Union-Tribune$ -- 5/12/21

ABR! Always Be Recording! A small voice recorder could save you $580K if your state allows hidden recording to prevent sexual harassment complaints . . . If not, bring someone else with you to the apartment as a witness with female tenants . . .

--192.145.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 12:34 PM
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How do you know he didn't do it? Maybe they recorded him! --50.82.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Larry [MN]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 12:48 PM
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My thought was the same WMH! --173.38.xxx.xx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Jerry [MA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 12:50 PM
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California has two-party recording laws, so a hidden recoding, by either the tenant or landlord, would be against the law. If you are going to record, you should know the rules in your state. --71.233.xxx.xx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 12:57 PM
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When I make a recording, I make sure a 3rd party can hear both sides of the conversation, so it won't be a privilege conversation. Then I later transcribe the conversation and use my notes in court. When challenged, I offer my tape recording to verify my notes. Works every time. --47.155.xx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Larry [MN]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 1:22 PM
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Majority of states are one party consent (google yours). But you have to part of the conversation at all times. If you leave the room and continue recording you are breaking the law. --173.38.xxx.xx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 2:01 PM
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The word "repeated" and tenant"S" are what jumped out at me. So I'm guessing this was not a single, isolated situation.

Not positive but almost positive - in Pennsylvania, you cannot record someone without permission (or perhaps notification such as 'this call may be recorded for training purposes'. Video, yes. Audio, no.

When my kids were old enough to help me on their own and would go to properties without me, I stressed to them that they were never to enter a house with a minor home alone nor an adult of the opposite sex. That was more than 20 years ago. Not sure how I'd teach someone young those parameters in today's world.

--72.70.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 3:12 PM
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According to the Senator from HI "all women must be believed". Well unless they claim Cuomo did something. Then they must be investigated and of course nothing gets done. Like the Durham report-- it's coming*it's coming-- u just wait-- maybe the Hortwitz report will come out first-- yea that's the ticket. Horwitz report.

I just can't help myself!!!!! --99.103.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 3:39 PM
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Slightly off topic, but years ago I was witness to a workplace female-on-female sexual harassment case. Very strange experience. The "victim" definitely encouraged the playful banter and even participated in it, but it didn't matter. The female boss still got tossed. --50.107.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by WMh [NC]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 4:16 PM
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"Boss" being the key word here. No "boss" should be fooling with a subordinate no matter how welcomed the attention.

Just like no LL should be fooling around with a tenant either. --50.82.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 4:37 PM
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I have one unit with a 18 year old daughter at home. When I need to do anything my wife goes with me or I don't go until my wife can go with me. --89.45.xx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 4:40 PM
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It might be worth adding consent to audio/video recordings for the entirety of the lease is authorized. We can't record audio in Pa without comment sent. --70.44.xxx.xx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 5:30 PM
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well it can be used as a weapon, several years ago I overheard one of my office workers giving advice to another woman. She told her to threaten to file a complaint with the authorities that he was sexually harassing her. She didn't know I was the next room with an open door, so I could hear the particulars and the boss actually didn't do it but you could use it as leverage. Shortly thereafter I found a way to end her employment with me. However I was worried that she would try the same thing with me.

I don't know what really happened in the above case here, but I do know it can be a powerful tool for a woman, or maybe even,a man to use.

How do you think you would fare if someone made an unsubstantiated claim against you? It's one of those things that you are considered guilty until proven innocent.Even if proven innocent, some would still consider that got away with it. --66.30.xx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 7:04 PM
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As a former Boy Scout leader, don't forget to protect yourself against claims regarding minors.

Our training was "Never be along with a child".

Indiana is a one party state - as long as *I* approve I can record ME talking to someone else without express permissions.

Another wrinkle - if you are on the PHONE with a person in another state THAT STATE's rules also apply to you.

How about this? Just say MIND IF I RECORD THIS?

Or ALL CALLS ARE RECORD FOR QUALITY ASSURANCE.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 13, 2021 7:48 PM
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Spring Valley really wasn't that nice of an area in San Diego area either. It used to be a bit trashy, although maybe it was in the Mt Helix area of SV --24.154.xx.x

LL Settles Sex Harrassmen (by W [CA]) Posted on: May 13, 2021 10:06 PM
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Typically one tenant knows the legal ropes (like the ones who have been evicted - professional tenants) and makes an allegation and tells all the others that the lawyer promised her a lot of money . . . then the others jump in and make allegations too. I think that is why they call it the "Metoo" feminist movement - shake down cash from rich men. Had a fire years ago and one tenant alleged that the electric water heater caught fire and I was to blame. Then all the others in the building except for 1 blamed me and talked to reporters. What they didn't know is the 1 tenant had heard the ex-tenants from Apt 3 through the bathroom window by the water heaters saying they were going to torch the building to get even for being evicted for non-payment and meth. Once the Sheriff's deputies found out the truth, I was exonerated. I still don't know how an electric water heater full of water catches fire . . . LOL --201.140.xxx.xx

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