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First Flip (by Wmh [NC]) May 11, 2021 9:01 AM
       First Flip (by Robert J [CA]) May 11, 2021 9:24 AM
       First Flip (by plenty [MO]) May 11, 2021 9:28 AM
       First Flip (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2021 9:36 AM
       First Flip (by Richard [MI]) May 11, 2021 9:39 AM
       First Flip (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2021 10:04 AM
       First Flip (by NE [PA]) May 11, 2021 10:16 AM
       First Flip (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2021 11:13 AM
       First Flip (by Ken [NY]) May 11, 2021 12:29 PM
       First Flip (by Dave [MO]) May 11, 2021 2:25 PM
       First Flip (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 11, 2021 2:32 PM
       First Flip (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 11, 2021 2:57 PM
       First Flip (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) May 11, 2021 3:01 PM
       First Flip (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) May 11, 2021 3:02 PM
       First Flip (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 11, 2021 4:11 PM
       First Flip (by tryan [MA]) May 11, 2021 4:14 PM
       First Flip (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2021 4:14 PM
       First Flip (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2021 4:23 PM
       First Flip (by Pmh [TX]) May 11, 2021 5:42 PM
       First Flip (by MMIT [VA]) May 11, 2021 9:46 PM
       First Flip (by Ken [NY]) May 12, 2021 7:14 AM
       First Flip (by WMH [NC]) May 12, 2021 8:56 AM
       First Flip (by don [PA]) May 13, 2021 3:37 AM


First Flip (by Wmh [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 9:01 AM
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We've never bought & sold. First time selling a true rental, in fact, bought just to sell.

We are re-doing the very dated ugly tiny kitchen with new cabinets, adding a dishwasher, new countertop. Easy. We are having it painted. Probably replace some of the flooring.

It's immaculate, inside and out and the yard is lovely. Bathrooms are dated, but at what point are we over-improving?

Ideas? Experience tips? --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 9:24 AM
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Congratulations doing your first flip. Have you determined how you plan to sell and pay the "least" amount of Taxes?

Short Term Capital Gains

Long Ter Capital Gains

Exchange

1031 Exchange

Sell and carry back the first mortgage?

--47.155.xx.xxx




First Flip (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 9:28 AM
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Front door hardware, first thing touched when buyer view home. Great that the yard is beautiful, first thing they see. Mail box? House numbers? Following your adventure! --172.58.xx.xx




First Flip (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 9:36 AM
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We will pay the taxes. No mortgage, cash deal. Plan is to flip it within one-two months. So no depreciation recapture, etc.

It's in immaculate but very dated condition. The recently deceased owners were in their 90's and he took CARE of the place. So we are going to put lipstick on it and just sell it for whatever we can make.

Son and DIL are going in on this with us. --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 9:39 AM
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Do it in your Roth IRA. This avoids taxes/cap gains.

If son, etc involved, get them to use their Roth Ira money too for the same reasons.

Check the other places for sale and improve yours to the same level. No use overdoing it. --24.180.xx.xx




First Flip (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 10:04 AM
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Our ROTH IRAs are invested, not cash.

Our traditional IRAs are cash, but taking it out triggers the tax (no penalty, but still the tax) so no gain there.

No 1031 to move to - nothing we are interested in buying these days, way too overpriced. We were offered this deal off-market or we would not be doing this at all. --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 10:16 AM
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I do 3 types of flips. The "do nothing" flip; buy and resell doing nothing. Lipstick flip: clean up the trash and dog poo, cut the grass and sell. Then I do what you can call the HGTV flips. It sounds to me like youre doing an HGTV flip. Make it perfect. Update the baths. The buyers are picky and getting pickier. Light fixtures need to be ultra modern too. --70.44.xxx.xx




First Flip (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 11:13 AM
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It's a modular home on its own lot in a neighborhood of modular homes, NE. Probably doesn't need to be HGTV perfect, but does need to be clean, functional and not dark brown walls and carpet. There is a current similar listing at $325k. We are buying for $150k. While I do not believe the $325k is at all realistic, $150k is obviously too low. Lots of room for a bit of profit. --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 12:29 PM
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I do my flips similarly to NE and make my decisions of what to do based on sale price and which class of flip it will be.Sounds like you are going for the full flip at high sale price to a retail buyer.They are picky in that case they want and expect everything to be updated,kitchens baths etc.I replace all outlets,switches covers,lights everything like that.I paint rear interior porches and basement walls and basement floors sometimes(unfinished basements) i have put down sod if i wouldnt have time for a planted lawn to be fully grown.My wife does the design work as far as colors for walls and kitchen counter colors etc.Dont just use the same colors you use in the rentals,this needs to be modern colors.If you want to see a finished house of mine go to realtor.com ,amsterdam ny then 42 Pulaski st $99000.00 --72.231.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 2:25 PM
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I'm with Ken and NE on this flip. Give it the wow factor. Retail buyers want what they see on HGTV. I don't know your market but what ever the agent thinks it will sell for add another $10 to the price. You will be surprised at what the market will bear. Retail buyers will do inspections and want repairs. --173.47.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 2:32 PM
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W,

In MY area ANYTHING in ANY CONDITION will sell at full price plus. Buyer's are snatching up ANYTHING. Realtors are calling it PANIC BUYING.

Check a realtor's report for number of listings. As you have stated earlier, very few if any homes listed, putting YOU in the driver's seat.

That driver's seat also means we don't have make the home perfect as we did in a normal market.

When my son sold his home in Denver's hot market a few years ago he planned to replace all the old windows for a better sale. His realtor advised against it and sure enough the home sold BEFORE it hit the market.

Do not delay. I use the phrase "Can't steal in slow motion". The same concept applies to selling in this white hot market.

I am also concerned the market will turn/correct as fast as it turned crazy. Maybe I'm wrong but we KNOW how it wil sell RIGHT NOW. Delays and waiting are a gamble.

Just one news article or announcement from Washington could end this extreme seller's market.

(That happened 13 years ago when a certain political party promoted their candidate by "announcing" we were in a recession - the banks, buyers, and factories froze overnight. The investor loan I had in progress was halted by the bank. In 24 hours my phone stopped ringing.)

ONLINE is the new curb appeal. Jazz up the front and kitchen and get GREAT photos for your online listing.

Learn the new selling methods. These are happening in my area right now. The selling world has shifted.

All those crazy things the realtors have added over the past years are GONE!

-Taking bids until 9pm Friday

-All bids will be reviewed. (they used to say we had to accept or reject each offer as it arrived even if a better offer was waiting)

-AS IS

-I provide an inspection report because we're not waiting for a buyer's inspection and re-negotiating. My guy does them at a discount.

-No home warranty. Buy your own if you want one.

-Escalation clause. "Buyer will increase his bid to $XXXXXX should other bids come in higher.

-Buyer agrees to pay the amount over the bank's appraisal.

-Seller not contributing to closing costs.

-All cash.

-Realtors will "assist" your sale for a small fee rather than the full listing at 6-7%.

(I list them on Zillow and state "Realtors welcome at 3%. They trip over themselves to make ANY money because they cannot get other sales.)

Know your target market. Retired couple? Vacation home? Airbnb investor? First time home buyer?

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 2:57 PM
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I love doing these in a Roth account.

Since you manage enough units give yourself a small paycheck for the management of the place. Make the amount a small one as you will have to pay self employment taxes.......but this allows you to open a Roth 401K.

The full amount of my paycheck goes into the 401 account. You can focus on 18% in income and payroll taxes or you can pay a much higher short term capital gain.

Why do I do this? Well I ask myself why do I do rental properties and it comes down to retirement funding. --24.154.xx.x




First Flip (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 3:01 PM
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Find out what the other houses for sale on the market have for amenities. If they have new bathrooms, then do bathrooms, if they have new kitchens then do kitchens. If none have a pool, don't waste money installing a pool. You want to match the amenities they have but do them a bit nicer, and maybe add one additional for a wow factor.

Then find out what sales price would put you in the middle of the market and the lowest priced in the market. Use the lower number to judge how much you can put into the house to fix it up. Be sure to add carrying costs and all the costs including purchase price that you've put into it. The rest is your remodel budget less carrying costs to keep it empty while remodeling.

You want to have the freedom to offer a high price compared to the market, then lower it if necessary and still make a profit. --108.69.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 3:02 PM
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Also, you don't want to fix it up too nice that you wouldn't want to risk renting it if the house didn't sell at the price you wanted. --108.69.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 4:11 PM
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PS

SON 20,000 just took an offer on a flip with no limit on the escalation clause. That offer is designed to beat ANY other offer.

The world of selling/buying has changed!

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 4:14 PM
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I've been holding mine for a year to get long term capitol gain treatment. Sounds like a long time, but it the rehab takes 3 or 4 months and the sale process takes 3 or 4 months ... you get the idea. --76.119.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 4:14 PM
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So far, our only costs beyond cash purchase are going to consist of a couple of thousand (and I do mean only a couple!) in the tiny kitchen, a couple for painting (already have quote from great painter) and a few for flooring. Under $10k will make this house a pretty little house. Yard is already beautiful with flowering bushes, nice shed, fenced. Carport and covered entry.

DH has been under the house and said it was as spotless as the topside.

At our price point, it could be a first home, a retirement home or a rental depending on investor. All will work in this neighborhood/environment.

If we put $150k as purchase, another $10k (let's go hog-wild and say $15k) we are only at $165K. NOTHING is anywhere close to that price. So we will list $225K and see what happens.

Hell, if we only make our money back we'll have learned something right? Or decide to keep to rent. --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 4:23 PM
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Ray, we are already essentially retired. We have Traditional IRAs that we will have to start the RMDs in the not-too-distant future (was 3, now 5 for DH.) We converted some to ROTH last year as there was some sort of ruling on that in the last president's tax bill, which was good for us apparently.

The flip fell in our lap, literally. --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 5:42 PM
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to figure out if over improving probably best to see what comps are in the neighborhood...... --107.77.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by MMIT [VA]) Posted on: May 11, 2021 9:46 PM
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What could you get for rent on this house?

If this property is on the island, it is priced too low. If you decide to sell, add another 10% - 15% to your list price. You can always lower your price if it does not sell.

Good luck! --70.188.xx.xx




First Flip (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 7:14 AM
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Another thought and this might sound a little nuts.When you talking about a sale on a house experiencing prices going up like crazy sometimes it makes sense to listen to the less experienced people.You and I say this house isnt worth $325000,not a chance,it wasnt worth half that a year ago but someone with no experience has no idea what is was worth a year ago and has no problem believing the current value that to experienced people seems nuts --72.231.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 12, 2021 8:56 AM
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It's not on the island, it's mainland. In a town where a lot of locals and people who work on the island live. If it were on the island, the lot would be worth $150k!

Rent would be $1500-$1600. --50.82.xxx.xxx




First Flip (by don [PA]) Posted on: May 13, 2021 3:37 AM
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Tryan, there is more to long term cap gain than just the one year ownership. If you keep flipping, never renting them out, the IRS will characterize you as a dealer and you will pay normal income tax on your profits. --73.141.xxx.xx





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