Another Service Dog (by Doogie [KS]) Apr 29, 2021 10:37 AM|
Another Service Dog (by S i d [MO]) Apr 29, 2021 11:20 AM
Another Service Dog (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 29, 2021 11:34 AM
Another Service Dog (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 29, 2021 11:42 AM
Another Service Dog (by Ken [NY]) Apr 29, 2021 12:08 PM
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Another Service Dog (by Still Learning [NH]) Apr 29, 2021 1:25 PM
Another Service Dog (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Apr 29, 2021 3:05 PM
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Another Service Dog (by RB [MI]) Apr 29, 2021 5:40 PM
Another Service Dog (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Apr 29, 2021 6:35 PM
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Another Service Dog (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Apr 30, 2021 2:54 PM
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Another Service Dog (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 10:37 AM
Last Sat, I went and met a couple friends at a local bar. It was 10am. (The ladies wanted mimosas, but the beer was still cold :)
Anyways, beside the point...
While we were there, another couple came in for breakfast. They come with a dog on a leash and it had that "Service Dog" vest on. I immediately had my suspicions. My suspicions turned out to be correct, I'm pretty sure anyway.
The couple sat down and the gal immediately called the dog up on the booth seat next to her. She then got out a collapsible water bowl and asked the waitress for some water. The dog was then drinking water spilling it everywhere on the seat. After a while, the guy got up to use the restroom and the gal then started ogling over the dog and talking in baby voice to it. Before they left, another patron at the bar asked if they could pet the dog. The gal immediately went over to this other patron and started talking about how the dog loved it.
Maybe it shouldn't have, but this really rubbed me the wrong way for several reasons. I'm not fond of animals being in eating establishments. Especially up in the seating area and on the table. True service dogs that help their handler, I have ABSOLUTELY no issues with. They are they for a purpose and I support this 100%. Those dogs typically hang out on the floor and lie down next to their owner however. They are also typically never allowed to be petted. They are working and you don't disturb that. Next, the vest the dog had on "Service Dog" on it. Full disclosure, I don't know truly what this dog was. This seemed an ESA that they had purchased those vests for on the Internet. I get it, maybe the bar has to allow this by law. I just feel this law is now starting to be abused. (Well, not starting. It's been this way for quite a while now.) I was in Lowes the other day and someone walked in with their dog. They stopped at the return desk and the next person that walked in got barked at and charged by this dog. Nothing happened other than the loud barking, but what if? There's already been numerous reports of ESA's attacking other people.
When does some sanity get to come back to the mix? This is not a good idea. Personally, I am slightly allergic to dogs and very allergic to cats. I know others are in the same boat. When smoking bans came into effect, the argument was that people should be able to eat a meal without the discomfort of smoke. Why is this different? I do support the ESA's. I know of a couple people that they have helped anxiety and other issues. However, should they be allowed in ALL businesses? They people that I know that an ESA has helped never took them anywhere, never expected any special privledges for it and never actually labeled them an ESA.
Anyway, I could go on. I won't. I know not all will agree with me, and that's ok. It just seems to me that maybe business should have the choice to ban animals (again, except for true service dogs). Maybe I'm in the wrong though. I've been wrong before. It was about 10 years ago. :)
Another Service Dog (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 11:20 AM
Agreed, as a fellow who has a dog that is just a regular old pet. When we go to brew pubs, he stays on the floor in either a "sit or down" position. No running round, jumping up, or slobbering all over the place. We do not take him to restaurants or other stores. Only breweries that advertise as being "dog friendly."
I think it stops when enough of us take enforcement of common sense and courtesy into our hands. I would have politely contacted the management and pointed out the concerns you did and then asked if it was their policy to allow any animals up in areas where diners would/could sit and eat, regardless if they are legit service animals or not. If they do not care about it, then I would politely voice my disgust at that unsanitary practice, as well as the allergy concerns, and then let them know that I would not be back again.
Vote with your dollars.
Another Service Dog (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 11:34 AM
Last winter while I was shopping in Lowes, another shopper had an ESA monkey on their shoulder. He was a regular as the employees knew the monkey by name. --67.43.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 11:42 AM
The premise of the ESA is that the human is so weak, and fragile that they will otherwise have a panicked,crying fit if they can't pet their doggie should be a source of great shame.
People willingly advertise to world that they are mentally unstable, and demand preferential treatment. Sadly, They are winning. --67.43.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 12:08 PM
Sisco,i agree 100% --72.231.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 1:19 PM
Can I have an ESA Grizzly Bear? --73.120.xx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 1:21 PM
6x6 - I'm going for a 8' snake personally. I can't wait to take it on vacation and listen to the movie references when I take it on the plane. --70.179.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 1:25 PM
6x6 and Doogie may be on to something... perhaps we should be taking our own ESA’s to deal with difficult tenants. --107.77.xxx.xx
Another Service Dog (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 3:05 PM
Hmmm...a monkey would be handy for reaching the top shelf!
A restaurant patron had a tiny little yappy dog with a SA vest, yapping and growling at each passerby.
I'm friends with the manager and asked him what he thought of that. He said "We don't want an argument and they'll be gone in 15 minutes anyway."
There are some videos on YT of militant folks purposely confronting the greeters, demanding to bring their animals into WalMart. I keep thinking wouldn't it be easier, less anxiety to leave the dog in the car, run in and get your stuff, and avoid the confrontation. The animal's presence is to help minimize your anxiety but you came to pick a fight and raise your own anxiety.
I have no problem with legit SAs. They are quiet and well behaved, serving a real purpose.
Another Service Dog (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 5:19 PM
I fully support actual service animals. I have flown behind a 90 lb Shepard service dog for vision that tucked in at his owner’s feet and didn’t move a muscle for the whole flight. I have also written letters for obvious fake vest so called service animals allowed to jump on seats to play with kids across the aisle and not get out of the aisle except for the owner dragging it by the leash back to her feet. The owner also bragged loudly that the dog had medallion status. The flight crew was planning to report the behavior and welcomed my letter as additional information. They instructed me on who to speak to, what to reference, and where to send it. --75.67.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 5:40 PM
Amazing how one person / group can inconvenience so many,
and feel "special" about it.
Bring out the air horns. --199.192.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 6:35 PM
[[[[....... maybe business should have the choice to ban animals (again, except for true service dogs). ....]]]]]
All businesses do have the right to ban animals, except for service dogs. The problem is that their minimum wage greeter at the door is not qualified to make the determination about who is legitimately disabled and in need of a service dog and who isn't.
That leaves the business unable to sift through who can bring the pet in and who can't. So to save themselves a lawsuit, they let them all in.
At least for them, the fake-service-dog-pet is gone in a few minutes and not living full time inside their business. --76.178.xxx.xxx
Another Service Dog (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 7:19 PM
Does amazon sell vest for my ESA T -Rex? --24.154.xx.x
Another Service Dog (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Apr 30, 2021 2:54 PM
[[[[[....... Does amazon sell vest for my ESA T -Rex? .....]]]]]
You probably have to special order that off of Etsy. That's not a standard size. --76.178.xxx.xxx
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