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let it go? (by melinda [MD]) Apr 9, 2021 4:22 PM
       let it go? (by Richard [MI]) Apr 9, 2021 4:46 PM
       let it go? (by tonia [RI]) Apr 9, 2021 4:47 PM
       let it go? (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 9, 2021 5:57 PM
       let it go? (by Vee [OH]) Apr 9, 2021 6:31 PM
       let it go? (by DJ [VA]) Apr 9, 2021 6:31 PM
       let it go? (by Allym [NJ]) Apr 9, 2021 6:50 PM
       let it go? (by Frank [NJ]) Apr 9, 2021 7:46 PM
       let it go? (by plenty [MO]) Apr 9, 2021 9:33 PM
       let it go? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Apr 9, 2021 9:59 PM
       let it go? (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 9, 2021 11:33 PM
       let it go? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Apr 10, 2021 12:30 AM
       let it go? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 10, 2021 8:49 AM
       let it go? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Apr 10, 2021 9:52 AM
       let it go? (by Allym [NJ]) Apr 10, 2021 10:30 AM
       let it go? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Apr 10, 2021 11:05 AM
       let it go? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Apr 10, 2021 12:03 PM
       let it go? (by Robin [WI]) Apr 11, 2021 1:11 PM
       let it go? (by Jim [OH]) Apr 11, 2021 4:32 PM
       let it go? (by Jim [OH]) Apr 11, 2021 4:32 PM
       let it go? (by Willbilly [OH]) Apr 14, 2021 11:08 AM

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let it go? (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 4:22 PM
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Two situations that are troublesome to me and I need your advise as to what to do or not do---

1. Tenant of 3 months has put some sort of glued paper with a marble design on my Corian kitchen counters. Handyman was there after she moved in and asked her about it. She said that she had it in her previous place and it just peels off.

2. New resident has repainted ( bright white) the entire interior of the house and has removed all shrubs out front. Both things were done without permission.. She had mentioned painting and husband said that they would talk about it at a later date. That never happened. House was painted off white before she moved in. She also removed all 11 interior doors, which were just fine, and replaced with new doors that she painted white.

Should I just move on and do nothing or expect more "helpful;" changes to my properties>

--24.233.xxx.xx




let it go? (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 4:46 PM
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Do these people have jobs or assets that you can collect from at a later date?

They have done wrong.

It seems your options are to get rid or them or not and, if you do get rid of them, can you collect for damages? If you decide to keep them, still the question will be can you collect for damages.

Also, where are the missing doors? Did they throw them away? Are these doors basic doors or fancy expensive doors? (Basic door about $50 plus $100 to install and expensive doors anything over that.) --24.180.xx.xx




let it go? (by tonia [RI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 4:47 PM
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I would be very concerned. I had former (bad) tenants who took it upon themselves to paint, remove shrubbery, cut down trees, etc. It all started when they "asked" permission to paint 1 room, which I approved of the color, and then they went buck wild doing everything but was approved.

I had to evict them for these reasons. Thus, I would formally address these issues and make it clear that any further revisions will result in termination of the lease agreement.

--70.168.x.xxx




let it go? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 5:57 PM
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My lease is clear: tenant is not to paint or modify or alter my house.

I would prepare an invoice showing charges to repair and restore your house use the pro painters, countertop people and add 10-20% management fee.

Send the invoice wait for payment/response. If you donít receive payment or response within 2 weeks. File suit for property damages. Get judgement, garnish wages, seize assets. --67.43.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 6:31 PM
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I would be sending the second one a nursery bill to restore the property to the condition which was evident at movein when the unit was accepted as seen. The first one hopefully that is the end of the shenanigans. --76.188.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 6:31 PM
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1. May not be any problem at all. They really do make decorative paper that comes completely off with no residue left. Like a giant post-it-note. It is made so people can add some style to their home without making permanent alterations & remove it when they leave. She may just be settling in for a long stay.

I would contact her & say your handyman told you about her decorating. Set a time to go over & have her show you how it is removed. If it's the right stuff, I would compliment her on using the appropriate type of decorating material and say I am glad she is enjoying her new home.

2. TOTALLY different. What they have done is quite difficult and expensive to remedy, and they need to be stopped now! They think they own the place, and have no respect for your authority.

Immediately notify them in detail all the ways they are in violation of the lease - point out the specific clauses. Tell them they have x days (not too long - check your laws) to be back in compliance (fix everything) or they will be evicted for cause. Be tough - if you do not read them the riot act & back it up now, they will be walking all over you and doing whatever they want for the rest of the time they are there.

IF you are truly content with the doors, they may stay. If not, (like if they are a totally different style that doesn't go with the house) replace them back to what you want in YOUR house.

Also, get a quote for replacing the shrubs with the same type and size, as well as repainting the house. Have them pay for all of it NOW - then you can decide if you want to do the repairs now and risk them repeating the bad behavior, OR hold off and restore everything after they leave.

Make sure the work is done by people YOU approve.

I would remind them that what they saw before signing the lease is what they were getting - as is.(was) If they don't like it, they can pay a fee to break the lease & move.It's a good time of year for you to find another tenant. But, they MUST still pay to restore everything.

If they stay, be very diligent in your periodic inspections and don't let them get away with anything more like this. Give immediate written notices as needed.

Looking back, were there any signs that they might do this? Comments about how they like things different or an attitude that they thought they were settling for a property below their standards. Any hint of un-cooperation during the process that you pushed aside (ignored your gut feeling)? --68.229.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 6:50 PM
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OK, have to make lemonade out of lemons. Do nothing now.

1. Ignore the a hole as the paper will pull off and you will have no stains on your corian and you can charge her for any stick stuff you have to remove.

2. Psychopath. So you want to get as much rent as you can out of these folks before they leave. Say nothing at this time. Do nothing at this time. Put any photos of the property landscaping you have, in a folder for the day they leave so you can charge their security to have the same kind of stuff put back. You can figure the cost of the plants and bushes when they leave so you get the price at that time.

You are really doing OK as you have tenants and they at least look like they will be paying you. I suspect they just moved out of houses they lost. They are behaving like tenants I have had who lost houses due to divorce. You will get reimbursed at the end of tenancy via the security but keep the records and photos. --108.24.xx.xx




let it go? (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 7:46 PM
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If you do not enforce your lease/agreement/contract you will lose your rights

--174.225.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 9:33 PM
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I agree with Allym. With the addition of "go to lunch". Raise the rent ever opportunity and remember to return the property to move in condition with the security deposit, you do have a security deposit? --172.58.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 9:59 PM
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Wait until they move out then under no circumstances allow any deductions in rent for installing new doors. Once they are out then go to small claims court to recover if there are rent arrears, cleaning and damages. If they take the doors they bought then leave the existing doors then can install old doors. If you start now then things can get worse where when they move out then vandalism where now remind them there is money deducted for authorized work or improvements. --99.236.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2021 11:33 PM
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So many of my landlord friends think that a "tenant knows their place"! This is not true. Unless to put limits in the lease, such as all changes or improvements have to be okayed by the owner in writing. Your tenants will think that putting trash on the walls in an improvement instead of a drawback. You have to be the remodeling police.

--47.155.xx.xxx




let it go? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2021 12:30 AM
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Melinda,

Do not start singing that Disney song and let any of this go...or wait.

NEVER ASSUME they will not burn thru the deposit by not paying the last month. You NEED that deposit to stay intact.

1. Sounds like Contact Paper from Walmart. Perhaps the res read some of my old posts where I have used this on low low end homes to make a temporary fix and freshen up a junkie top.

Probably comes off easily with a little heat from a hair dryer or heat gun set on low. Mineral spirits to remove any adhesive residue.

This might be there to cover a burn or cuts to your top. Require it be removed now or my guy does it at $50 per hour. Inspect for damage.

2. What does your lease say? I get teased because my lease is so long but it covers this problem. $250 fine per room for painting, plus $275 per room to repaint back to Managementís colors. $150 per interior door replacement, plus painting and knobs.

BUT...

If you charge for the doors they might take the new ones with them, having tossed the old doors.

Iíd negotiate something and put it in writing. SOME LLs like all white. If they leave the doors (we paint doors white) and just pay for repaint.

Do NOT wait. They pay for the bushes and repaint now. Small bushes are $50 each.

OR...

Sell it to them. Obviously they love it and have money.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2021 8:49 AM
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Its not 9 AM on a Saturday and they had a random thought like lets replace all the doors in the house and then paint them. Some how there was a bug placed in their ear.

It sounds like they did a nice job....but just the same they think they are in charge.

You need to come up with a plan to wrestle back control.

I do like Brad's idea of selling the house to them......they have skin in the game at this point too --24.154.xx.x




let it go? (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2021 9:52 AM
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For #1, I agree with DJ. Find out exactly what product they are using. Then decide if you want to put in writing now a reminder about not altering the property. A real countertop contact paper product should be harmless and straightforwrad for the tenant to remove. You may not mind it staying after the tenant moves if it gives a more modern and marketable look. Look at minutes 2-5 of this video to see how this is removed.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9EU7mOoz0 --98.122.xxx.xx




let it go? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2021 10:30 AM
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Speaking up again, we are in a pandemic. YOu have paying tenants. Do nothing. Many of these folks don't understand business and "the customer is always right". They are on a power trip and enjoy "lording" it over others. I would never repaint an apt without asking. I did repaint an apartment but I asked first and the landlord thanked me as his son had painted the living room purple. I might drop them a note saying that you heard they had repainted and would they please contact you if they need more changes. That keeps your toe in the water and the cash flowing into your pocket without hurting feelings. ITS ABOUT MAKING MONEY YOU GUYS NOT BOSSING PEOPLE who did no harm, yet. --108.24.xx.xx




let it go? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2021 11:05 AM
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I'd be concerned that the contact paper on the counters is hiding some damage that she did.

Have you looked at the paint job? If it is professional quality, I'd bill them for repainting after they leave. If it is a typical tenant job, I would file for eviction right now while there was still some deposit money to pay part of the bill to fix it and to fix all the paint damage.

I'd want to know where my doors are. If they are lost or damaged, I'd bill for them.

I'd for sure let them know that I was angry that they had violated the lease and if I let them stay, they were not to do it again. But honestly, these are not good tenants and my reaction to them would be to get them out. Tenants who do damage do not stop doing damage after they have been there a couple of weeks. They do damage wherever they go for all of their lives.

Ally is missing the point that they have done a lot of harm already. Ripped up landscaping? Oh, maybe Ally keeps crap or non-existing landscaping? If my tenant ripped up my landscaping it would cost me a ton of money to restore it. I can't make money with tenants who do more damage than I make in profit on their rent. --76.178.xxx.xxx




let it go? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2021 12:03 PM
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23 years ago I was a newbie Landlord with no idea about what to do about anything. My very first Tenants (recommended by the Tenants next door who had been there for 10 years already) decided to chopped down a beautiful Twisted Juniper tree. It was 40 years old and in great shape. It matched the one next door (mirror image SF houses)and was about 15 feet high and wonderfully healthy. They said it was blocking the light in the kitchen. I cried.

Now I'm older and wiser. Lease clause says NOT to cut down or remove any trees, bushes, plants without my approval. Major charges if they do. Same with anything in or around the house. Do not remove, change, paint, alter, replace anything unless Landlord approves. Having the wording in the contract helps with enforcement, but Tenants will do what they want anyway. At least I can charge them for the damage and they know it up front. --72.197.xx.xx




let it go? (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2021 1:11 PM
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Step 1: Ask them where the old doors are. Just because they put "new" ones in doesn't mean it's an upgrade. Some of the newer doors sold by HD look great but are barely more than thick cardboard. If they're gone, bill them!

Step 2: Bill for replacing the landscaping, but don't replace the bushes until after they move out.

Make it clear that ANY further changes MUST BE APPROVED IN WRITING before anything is done or their lease will be terminated. If she took out 11 perfectly good doors and replaced them with junk, that's $1100 in damages (at least) already. What will be next? She decides she doesn't like the hardwood floors and paints them? Rips out the solid hickory vanity and puts in a stylish grey one made of particle board? Don't let yourself be governed by fear. Protect your property! --104.230.xxx.xx




let it go? (by Jim [OH]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2021 4:32 PM
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Remove them.

Charge them for the costs to return the premises back to the original condition.

You are aware of who the owner is aren't you? --184.57.xxx.xx




let it go? (by Jim [OH]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2021 4:32 PM
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Remove them.

Charge them for the costs to return the premises back to the original condition.

You are aware of who the owner is aren't you? --184.57.xxx.xx




let it go? (by Willbilly [OH]) Posted on: Apr 14, 2021 11:08 AM
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What do your leases say? If your leases are silent on tenants making changes, there's not much you can do except learn from this mistake, and create better leases for your next tenants. If your leases address this issue and specify no improvements, alterations, additions, subtractions, etc:

1) find out what kind of paper they put. If it is easily removable wait til they are out and charge accordingly for removal of any sticky stuff.

2) these people are bad news. Covid or not. No tenant is better than a bad tenant. Do not let this go. Post 24hr notice to enter, or whatever is required in md. Look for old doors. If they are still there, remove them from the unit, store them elsewhere until they leave.

Send invoice asap for missing landscaping, restoring paintwork, etc. Be sure to markup for your time/mgmt fee.

If they do not pay invoice before end of month, terminate their lease according to whatever timeline md requires. In oh it is 30 day notice. Tell them this termination can be voided by paying the invoice. If they still refuse to pay, and refuse to vacate within the alloted time, evict.

Like others, I would be worried about what they will do next. It's your property. You are in charge, not them. Be sure they are aware of this. --174.232.xxx.xxx



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