 NJ Dog problem (by AllyM [NJ]) Mar 19, 2021 3:27 PM
 NJ Dog problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Mar 19, 2021 3:41 PM
NJ Dog problem (by RB [MI]) Mar 19, 2021 5:01 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Wmh [NC]) Mar 19, 2021 5:52 PM
NJ Dog problem (by C&J [CO]) Mar 19, 2021 6:13 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 19, 2021 7:07 PM
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Mar 19, 2021 7:14 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Robert J [CA]) Mar 19, 2021 7:26 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Mar 19, 2021 8:02 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Mar 19, 2021 8:07 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Mar 19, 2021 8:10 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Mar 19, 2021 8:12 PM
NJ Dog problem (by plenty [MO]) Mar 19, 2021 9:19 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 19, 2021 11:48 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 20, 2021 12:08 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 20, 2021 12:14 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 20, 2021 12:20 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 20, 2021 12:30 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 20, 2021 12:37 AM
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Mar 20, 2021 10:16 AM
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Mar 20, 2021 1:10 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Barbara [VA]) Mar 20, 2021 3:06 PM
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Mar 20, 2021 3:13 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Barbara [VA]) Mar 20, 2021 4:29 PM
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Mar 20, 2021 4:56 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Mar 20, 2021 6:43 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Barbara [VA]) Mar 20, 2021 6:49 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Mar 20, 2021 8:56 PM
NJ Dog problem (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 21, 2021 1:04 PM
NJ Dog problem (by wmH [NC]) Mar 21, 2021 2:19 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Salernitana [CA]) Mar 21, 2021 2:34 PM
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Mar 21, 2021 3:31 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 21, 2021 9:53 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 21, 2021 10:45 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 21, 2021 11:02 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 21, 2021 11:21 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 21, 2021 11:28 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 21, 2021 11:38 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 21, 2021 11:52 PM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:01 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:16 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:21 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:26 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:30 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:40 AM
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Mar 22, 2021 12:51 AM
NJ Dog problem (by Bobice [OH]) Apr 23, 2021 6:22 PM
NJ Dog problem (by Vee [OH]) Apr 29, 2021 12:24 PM
NJ Dog problem (by CDM [CA]) May 5, 2021 7:41 PM
NJ Dog problem (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 3:27 PM
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This week a 3 year old child was killed by two pitbulls from the adjacent yard. Two older children and the three year old were playing in their yard in Carteret, NJ, while their mother watched out the window. Two neighboring pits started coming through the fence and she ran out and told the children to run toward the house but the 3 year old did not. The two dogs grabbed him and killed him while the mother threw herself over him to protect him. She was seriously injured and is hospitalized.
They were from Pakistan so possibly did not know what was lurking in the back yard. Neighbors say the dogs were often running free in the neighborhood. Dogs were not licensed or registered. Animal shelters continue to put these dogs up for adoption after some training and warn people they "have to be strong to control this dog if adopting" as dog attacks other dogs on a leash. Where is the common sense? If someone complains they are called a "racist". Current laws are not working. Former health department exec had to leave town after he had a couple unadoptable dogs euthanized. People were threatening to kill him.
Does anyone have any suggestions or know of success for controlling large dogs with strong jaws in their state? PBs have 300 lb per square inch bite with those big jaws. What do you do to control this kind of situation at your rentals? I had a Rottweiler next to one of mine that was not friendly so I put up a higher fence. It passed and owner has not had another as his boys were away at college and if it did not recognize them it would not let them in, so said former owner of Rottie. --108.24.xx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 3:41 PM
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Ally, as you point out, pits and other breeds known for vicious propensities are dangerous. I do not think that that is a racist statement.
I do not know if there is a scientific study showing any relationship between race and dog breed ownership. There is non-scientific "evidence" of the "fact" that many blacks own pits and other vicious breeds, but lots of non-blacks also own pits. And lots of blacks own non-vicious breeds. Banning pits is racially neutral, on its face.
A solution? I don't have one, other than to continue to ban dangerous breeds from my properties. And to blame my insurance carrier for this prohibition. And to point to the numerous black tenants I have had over the years to demonstrate that I am not discriminatory against blacks in my leasing business.
--76.4.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 5:01 PM
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"Dirty deeds done dirt cheap". --199.192.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Wmh [NC]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 5:52 PM
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Be careful Ali your racism is showing. In the south it's not black people who have pit bulls it's the redneck white boys. A lot of Black people are afraid of dogs down here because the redneck white boys teach them to attack. --174.198.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by C&J [CO]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 6:13 PM
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A friend had a pit bull, he carried a small wooden wedge ( think door stop wedge) just incase his pit " locked on" him, or anyone else. This wedge was slipped between dog teeth and pressed up on the roof of its mouth to make it release its grip.
Why on earth would someone want a dog, or any animal, like that? --174.198.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 7:07 PM
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...Ally, as you point out, pits and other breeds known for vicious propensities are dangerous. I do not think that that is a racist statement....
She is the one who inserts race whenever possible ... even with no basis.
Hope we don't offend you early tomorrow morning. I'll be down in your neighborhood and have one of my dark haired son-in-laws with me. Our intent is to move some furniture from one place to another ... who knows what you will read into that. --72.70.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 7:14 PM
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You know what, Nicole? You are right. It wasn't Ally who said this:
"And to point to the numerous black tenants I have had over the years to demonstrate that I am not discriminatory against blacks in my leasing business."
My mistake. I was reading it on my phone and it blended together with her post about seeming racist if she complains about dangerous dogs. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 7:26 PM
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Some people get "off" on thinking they have control over a dangerous situation. Example, my friend an owner of a large business that ranks #1 in it's field has everything you could ever imagine. A brand new 10,000 square foot home, twins and a wonderful wife. But he has to drive a motorcycle from his estate into town, Los Angeles. Here 1/5 of all divers in the state either have no license, no insurance or expired registration. So my friend almost got killed and was in the hospital for over 6 months, half of that time he was in a coma. Not that he's recovered, he still drives motorcycles....
The same is people who have animals that are dangerous and can not be completely controlled. While I've met 1 pit bull that is a Hospital patient certified comfort dog, he is one in a 1,000.
The idea that a dog has 1 bit before it is deemed dangerous is crazy...
When my neighbors had 2 pit bulls and only a chain link gate to keep them in his yard and I had young kids at home, I didn't stand still. Each time he opened up his gate to park his truck, the dogs could run out and attach children nearby. --47.155.xx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 8:02 PM
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wmh, "redneck white boys" is a racist statement. Most pit bulls are urban here. --108.24.xx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 8:07 PM
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Robert J. never thought of that before. Need to control a dangerous situation causes people to take risks. Sorry your friend had to lose so much time in a coma. So when your neighbor went out you had to do a lot of foot work to protect your kids from those dogs getting out? --108.24.xx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 8:10 PM
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C&J, I have heard that pit owners have to have a pry bar at home just in case, a wooden one. Wedge easier to carry. --108.24.xx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 8:12 PM
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Nicole, you are the one with the issue, not me. --108.24.xx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 9:19 PM
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So sad. So unnecessary. Prays for this mother. I guess Pitbulls are nice until they are not. Terrible. I'm greatly saddened. --172.56.xx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2021 11:48 PM
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As a young man I worked with a local vet as his gophfer --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 12:08 AM
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I was so scared and ashamed at the same time.
We were attacked by 2 pit bulls coming out of the barn.
The monster dog bit his rubber boot and pulled. I intern received the same treatment
They were blood thirsty as he called it
He dug his grip into that dogs throat and didnt let go
I was dumb founded but followed his lead --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 12:14 AM
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these were the nieghbors pets with mind you little kids in the house. At both places --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 12:20 AM
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I never saw him like that . our job was to help but survival training hit ..HARD CORE --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 12:30 AM
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If you are put in that situation stick your thumb as far back to jaw so they cant bite any more
and grab the througt . you will feel it and squeeze --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 12:37 AM
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If he or I been alone on this job site I dont think we could send christmas cards --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 10:16 AM
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Terrifying. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 1:10 PM
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I read about a way to stop dangerous dogs from acting like that. It was online a couple years ago. A vet can sedate the dog and remove about half of each of their canine teeth, the pointy ones in front, cap the tooth and that's the end of their willingness to attack or bite. I have never seen this discussed again and it seems like the perfect solution when no one wants to euthanize a dangerous breed or dog. Funny how answers to problems arrive, are not used and go away. --108.24.xx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Barbara [VA]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 3:06 PM
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Roflmao...not at the poor kid and the family but the thought that simply cutting down the canine teeth will solve the problem. Good grief your wisdom astounds me. --174.251.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 3:13 PM
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I looked it up. There is such a thing, it's called "dental disarming" of the dog if there is pet to pet aggression to reduce risk of injury. It is NOT recommended if the dog is aggressive to humans: they can still bite. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Barbara [VA]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 4:29 PM
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Honestly WMH even for pet to pet aggression it will have minimal effect. I don't know a single vet that would be willing to do this for a domestic dog behaivor issue. And as for it ending the dogs willingness to attack or bite it's not true. But if allym can show me statistics from a reputable site I will humbly change my stance. --174.251.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 4:56 PM
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I know, Barbara/VA, I just had to go look...and she was not technically wrong. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 6:43 PM
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I think I was the one who first addressed the race issue explicitly here. In my area, most pits are owned by blacks and/or by low-life others who want to project an image of being tough guys. I've seen people argue that prohibiting pits is a pretext to discriminate against blacks, which some idiot judge could accept.
As I said above, my insurance company bans various breeds that it considers vicious or dangerous, and that provides me with an "out."
--76.4.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Barbara [VA]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 6:49 PM
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Mike45 I work with dogs in their homes. This pitbull owning mentality is across all income and racial barriers locally. --174.251.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2021 8:56 PM
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I was taught by a trainer that if they're wearing a choke or pinch collar, grab the end of the chain and lift the dog off their front legs and suspend them with their choke collar so that it tightens around the dog's neck. Keep their front legs off the ground until the dog either calms down or passes out. --108.69.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 1:04 PM
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I would think that a lot of the problem is not the dogs but how they are raised or trained. The dogs get the bad reputation even though in a lot of cases it should be the humans. --73.120.xx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by wmH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 2:19 PM
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Disagree, 6x6. Dog breeds have certain characteristics - that's what distinguishes one breed from another. A poodle is not a Yorkie and a pit bull is not a labrador.
Not only breeds, but classes. Hunting dogs (retrievers, for instance.) Working dogs (cattle dogs, sheep dogs.)
You don't teach retrievers to retrieve. It is an innate instinctual skill they are born with. Some are better than others of course, but a retriever retrieves: balls, sticks, ducks...
The dangerous breeds were bred to do dangerous things: fight bears, guard the premises, etc.
My three dogs, raised together, obviously same owners: one an Australian Shepherd. That dog would literally herd us together when we went for walks in the woods, circling around and making sure no one left the group. It was just her. We didn't teach her. Our doberman: silent, never barked to speak of but could growl menacingly - his favorite activity was patrolling our yard. We didn't teach him that. Our chocolate lab: a born retriever. Could find the tiniest stick, could catch any ball, swam like a fish (even underwater.) All born behaviors.
Yes, you can teach a dog certain behaviors. But some are just instinct. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 2:34 PM
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I am so sorry to hear about the story.
Thanks, Ally and WMH, for mentioning dental disarming. A friend in San Mateo was walking her small dog of a rare breed. A loose pitbull who had the procedure darted to my friend's dog to "bite" and violently shake it. My friend was kicking the pit bull and screaming at the owner. Luckily, my friend's dog wasn't killed and didn't suffer any broken bones.
--71.202.xx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 3:31 PM
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A lot of dogs of any breed hate small white dogs, I don't know why but I've seen it a LOT. If I had a small white fluffy dog, I'd be carrying pepper spray or a taser or something. --50.82.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 9:53 PM
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Require renters insurance.
It will not be the mean LL saying that you don't accept dangerous breeds of dogs - it will be the mean actuaries and the insurance companies. --24.154.xx.x |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 10:45 PM
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We were castrasting calves. Old school the owner did not believe in the burdizo pinch system --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 11:02 PM
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Still remember the cadance
Cut cut pull pull and spoohch in the bucket .
Squirt some iodine on that .
Next We got to finish this up and get to the next place --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 11:21 PM
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As I am typing this I am looking at scars on the back of my right hand . There are many but just few pook marrks on my left hand --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 11:28 PM
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We have hade boxers in this house for 27 years with out a problem
--207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 11:38 PM
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This makes my heart heavy to say it. But I had to rescue a fighting thing in milwaukee.
The dogs faired better than the .
I broubht home this torn old boxer --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2021 11:52 PM
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I dont know what people did to him in milwaukee ..
Not a pretty sight . but these pit bulls where still blood searchng The cops cleaned up the mess --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:01 AM
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There was a gernan shepard and couple of huskies but they were in better shape that beat to hell boxer.I asked the princeable on site if Icould take him home. --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:16 AM
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Its 2 hours from milwaukee to get him to vet at home. I bought some super glue at the most possible place a pharmacy --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:21 AM
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Being a white guy with blood on his hands in the hood.
--207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:26 AM
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I did bust a couple skulls to make this happen --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:30 AM
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He lived with us for 13 years --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:40 AM
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This will probaly go sideways. but i cleaned up his abuse all most 30 years ago --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by on [WI]) Posted on: Mar 22, 2021 12:51 AM
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We have boxers in the house. Could not understand a problem with out --207.200.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Bobice [OH]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2021 6:22 PM
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Any info. on dog landlord-policy? lease phrase? --76.188.xxx.xx |
NJ Dog problem (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2021 12:24 PM
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Ohio recently adopted the stand-your-ground policy, for my own and family safety I will do the right thing. --76.188.xxx.xxx |
NJ Dog problem (by CDM [CA]) Posted on: May 5, 2021 7:41 PM
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In my area there are two distinct groups of pit bull owners: ghetto/drug growing types who want their dogs for fighting fight or to guard their drug growing premises, and educated, liberal animal rights types who adopt their pit bulls from shelters. --24.130.xxx.xxx |
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