large Lad (by melinda [MD]) Feb 20, 2021 8:23 PM|
large Lad (by Robert J [CA]) Feb 20, 2021 11:06 PM
large Lad (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 21, 2021 1:40 AM
large Lad (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 21, 2021 1:43 AM
large Lad (by Allym [NJ]) Feb 21, 2021 7:22 AM
large Lad (by DJ [VA]) Feb 21, 2021 8:49 AM
large Lad (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Feb 21, 2021 11:52 AM
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large Lad (by J [FL]) Feb 21, 2021 12:40 PM
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large Lad (by Nellie [ME]) Feb 21, 2021 3:25 PM
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large Lad (by J [FL]) Feb 22, 2021 8:58 AM
large Lad (by Nicole [PA]) Feb 22, 2021 10:09 AM
large Lad (by J [FL]) Feb 22, 2021 1:52 PM
large Lad (by Wilma [PA]) Feb 22, 2021 3:57 PM
large Lad (by Nicole [PA]) Feb 22, 2021 7:57 PM
large Lad (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 23, 2021 7:20 AM
large Lad (by J [FL]) Feb 23, 2021 9:08 AM
large Lad (by bet [MA]) Feb 24, 2021 7:13 AM
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large Lad (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Feb 20, 2021 8:23 PM
This afternoon we showed a nice home to a prospective renter. She mentioned that one of her sons is 6' 8" tall and weighs 500 pounds.
I am concerned that this weight will cause problems (toilets) and do not want to be insensitive. She must have been aware of this weight thing since she brought it up. We did not ask her today if any of her kids weighed over 400 pounds.
I would appreciate your advice. She by the way is not heavy.
large Lad (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Feb 20, 2021 11:06 PM
I rented a cute small apartment to a thin under weight women who was legally blind. She asked for grab safety bars to be placed around the bathtub, stall shower and toilet. Not an issue, was happy to comply.
When she moved out, a fat overweight person wanted to rent the same unit. I explained and had it documented in the lease that the provided safety bars were installed to assist a women under 100 pounds, and were only rated to hold 200 pounds. The man signed the acknowledgement.
Three weeks into his tenancy he was taking a bath. After soaking for about an hour he decided to exit the bathtub. From laying in the tub he grabbed the safety bar and tried with both hand to pull himself up, putting over 450 pounds stress on the safety bar. The safety bar came off the wall. The tile, concrete backing and some wood from the stud came off. The tenant fell back into the tub of water, around a 12 inch fall back into a full tub.
He claimed he life is over. The pain, etc. Was going to sue me for plenty. He had no injury but claimed different. In time he got caught prancing around a bar playing pool and darts -- with no pain.
So there are issues with curtain conditions. But us landlords aren't suppose to discriminate based on them.
large Lad (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 1:40 AM
We had such a renter. Yes the weight was an issue.
We’re going to be seeing more as young people are getting huge by the minute.
Older home, old wood, some floor joists split. Maybe they were already cracked with age but they were now pushed down.
Fiberglass tub flexed under the excessive weight, cracked the bottom of the tub and loosened the drain connection so it leaked thru the ceiling below.
Broke the metal handrail brackets by leaning hard.
Toilet survived but was way loose, maybe a broken flange.
In eviction court she could not fit into the chairs because they all had side arms.
I am not sure how to avoid this problem. Most normal homes are not designed or built to provide for a 500 pound person.
Old school cast iron tub
Add extra metal brackets into studs for the handrail. Look for some industrial style brackets.
Go into the crawl or basement and add some pillars to support the floors.
Keep an eye on the toilet flange to avoid leaks.
large Lad (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 1:43 AM
The 2 Minute In Home Visit might be very telling.
We do these after approval of the info on their app.
large Lad (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 7:22 AM
Find a reason to decline. Your home was not designed for a person who is basically handicapped by his or her size. It's not your responsibility to open your rental house to a person with special needs although the government tells us it is. A handicapped person can add whatever they want but they pay for it. This person can't be making your doorways higher or your rooms larger as an engineering inspection would be required. Not your problem. --108.24.xx.xx
large Lad (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Was anything said about him having a disability?
Being overweight is not (yet) a protected class, as far as I know. --68.229.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 11:52 AM
Some overweight can be caused by a medical condition. A landlord can't tell if it is gluttony or acromegaly. The acromegaly, and other medical conditions, would be a protected condition. So proceed with caution when rejecting the overweight applicant.
There must be some other legal reason available to reject if you look carefully. --76.178.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 11:54 AM
Adding: severe overweight will qualify a person for disability payments. Just saying, use some caution. If they are receiving disability payments, they are disabled and protected. --76.178.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by J [FL]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 12:40 PM
Could this person be a tester? Why would she mention a thing like that. --72.188.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 12:54 PM
Thanks for your input. I had not even thought of the excessive weight as a disability . Good thought. --24.233.xxx.xx
large Lad (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 1:00 PM
We also HAVE to meet all applicants AND they have to pass our checks.
Was there some reason he wasn't there? Is he an adult? Can either pass your criteria? She may not even contact you again but I understand looking at potential issues. --73.230.xxx.xx
large Lad (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 3:25 PM
I would also lean towards it being a tester. Especially since son wasn’t there. We’ve had 2 “mother in a wheelchair” people looking at our 1st floor apartment.
The weight problems are real. We had a tenant that pushed 350 by the time he left. We ended up replacing all the treads to the basement (laundry was there) with 2x10’s because he kept breaking the edges off the 1x treads. Of course this threw the riser height at the top and bottom off..... --70.20.xx.xx
large Lad (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 6:46 PM
Maybe she was renting for her adult son. I see that all too often(about once every 10 years). Mom rents, and kid not mom moves in. I rented to a 450# pig....um man once. He left a filthy place, cracked the seal on the toilet, never picked up dog poop. --216.23.xxx.xx
large Lad (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2021 7:27 PM
A disability is any condition of the body or mind (impairment) that makes it more difficult for the person with the condition to do certain activities (activity limitation) and interact with the world around them.
I don't like the definition but that is how HR calls it.
Personally, I don't always like waking up in the morning for work - so I wonder if that makes me disabled?
large Lad (by J [FL]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2021 8:58 AM
Wait a few more years and I'm sure that will be included as a "condition" too. --72.188.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2021 10:09 AM
Many things in life have pros and cons. On the list for the pro side of in person showings and a con for lock boxes is this situation.
Without meeting with and chatting with her, this would have never been disclosed on an application. I'm guessing an in home visit doesn't entail going into the bathroom and checking the wiggle factor of the toilet. An in home visit, I assume, doesn't mean all prospective tenants need line up for inspection. --72.70.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by J [FL]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2021 1:52 PM
I've always tried to insist that all adults in a "group" come see the house in person. I've had some people balk at this. I've also had someone say "so and so can't be here because they're out of town" but then they pull up their phone and put Skype or FaceTime on with that person so I can "meet" them over their phone.
I really prefer they come in person so that they can see the unit and I can get a sense of whether they'll be difficult or not, and I'm not sure I can get that sense over an app.
Do you think I'm being too demanding to insist they all come in person? --72.188.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2021 3:57 PM
@J(FL) - absolutely not too demanding. Long experience has taught me that meeting everyone at the rental is imperative. I always make it pleasant "I'd like everyone to be happy with the home, so please bring all the people who would live here to see if it's right for everybody" - or some such statement.
This has allowed me to experience the wildness of the kids, the smell of cigarettes on adults, the attitudes and interactions of those over 18.
I've only had one experience with not meeting the spouse and kids that turned out well when I rented to them. Several no-so-good experiences overrode that family, sadly. That's why I never do lockboxes, and I always have my spouse along as another set of eyes/nose/ears.
@melinda(MD) - tread carefully. Perhaps check with a state LL association for guidance about whether you can state that the fixtures in the unit are standard and not specially suited for accommodating someone who is morbidly obese - and hence the tenant must, pay for suitable replacements (which remain with the unit upon moveout), if such items are practicable for the unit. (Geez, I sound like a lawyer.) --96.245.xx.xx
large Lad (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2021 7:57 PM
J - in this situation, we don't know if the son is an adult or a teenager. I've got a 15 year old grandson who is 6'3" and still growing - however he's a bean pole. --72.70.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2021 7:20 AM
Nicole - Tell your kid to stop watering your grandchild.
large Lad (by J [FL]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2021 9:08 AM
Thanks...that is what I think too. I had an experience years ago where I only met the wife initially, and then met the husband at move in. They got divorced a few months later and wife moved out and I was stuck with the husband, who had an attitude and didn't take good care of the unit. Ever since then I've insisted on meeting all of them although I've never had to use "attitude" to deny someone so far, there is usually a more solid reason.
True, and I would never insist on meeting all the kids. I'm interested in anyone over 18. I've had someone balk at this -- their college age daughter would be living with them and they didn't feel should should have to see the place or do an application. --72.188.xxx.xxx
large Lad (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2021 7:13 AM
We have rented to people that their weight exceeded the limitations of our property, never ends well. --45.19.xxx.x
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