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snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 11:07 AM
       snow removal problem (by Still Learning [NH]) Feb 17, 2021 11:14 AM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 11:22 AM
       snow removal problem (by Jerry [MA]) Feb 17, 2021 12:43 PM
       snow removal problem (by RB [MI]) Feb 17, 2021 12:56 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 1:02 PM
       snow removal problem (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Feb 17, 2021 1:06 PM
       snow removal problem (by Ken [NY]) Feb 17, 2021 1:20 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 1:39 PM
       snow removal problem (by 6x6 [TN]) Feb 17, 2021 2:05 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 2:10 PM
       snow removal problem (by Richard [MI]) Feb 17, 2021 2:10 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 2:36 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 2:44 PM
       snow removal problem (by Nicole [PA]) Feb 17, 2021 2:52 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 3:11 PM
       snow removal problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Feb 17, 2021 3:22 PM
       snow removal problem (by Jerry [MA]) Feb 17, 2021 3:34 PM
       snow removal problem (by OKHMBLDR [OK]) Feb 17, 2021 3:38 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 3:48 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 4:07 PM
       snow removal problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Feb 17, 2021 4:07 PM
       snow removal problem (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 4:24 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 4:31 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:17 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:17 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:20 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:20 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:34 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:35 PM
       snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 5:35 PM
       snow removal problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Feb 17, 2021 7:47 PM
       snow removal problem (by cj [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 8:33 PM
       snow removal problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Feb 17, 2021 8:46 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 8:52 PM
       snow removal problem (by MIKE SWMO [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 9:21 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 9:37 PM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2021 9:42 PM
       snow removal problem (by Nicole [PA]) Feb 17, 2021 11:40 PM
       snow removal problem (by Nicole [PA]) Feb 18, 2021 1:30 AM
       snow removal problem (by Scott [IN]) Feb 18, 2021 9:12 AM
       snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Feb 18, 2021 10:20 AM
       snow removal problem (by Jerry [MA]) Feb 18, 2021 2:03 PM
       snow removal problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Feb 18, 2021 3:36 PM

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snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 11:07 AM
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Do landlord have to remove snow on the road?

We have townhouses in small subdivision, and small road.

I do not think anyone own the road, the road repair and snow removal not covered by county for some reason. we fixed the road on the main entrance and a small road to our townhomes.

Today a tenant called the fire Mashal complaining the snow and fire truck not abe to come. Of course the fire marshal called me and want me to remove the snow to vocer his problem.

I will be happy to pay my share snow removal. if the fire marshal makes every owner pay their share.

The tenant is trouble make and argure everything and always parking on visitor spot and vacant unit spot. The tenant just there 1 year and lease renew 3/1/2021. I did not give him 30day notice not renew. But I told him to move out if he is not happy several times

I do not know what to do?

--104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 11:14 AM
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We had a ski house in VT that wasn’t covered by local services so anyone that lived on the road paid into a road association for the upkeep of the dirt road and plowing. I would double check with your town, county, deed about who is responsible for the road. --73.17.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 11:22 AM
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Prior tried to have association to fix the road, no one wants pay. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Jerry [MA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 12:43 PM
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You need to find out who owns the road. Check with your city or county assessors office. They will know, since the owner pays any taxes. If the road is owned by the city or county, they should provide plowing services. Otherwise the private owner will be responsible. --71.233.xxx.xx




snow removal problem (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 12:56 PM
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It's only gonna get worse.

Next.

--199.192.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 1:02 PM
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I got on the board of one such neighborhood. Special Assessment for everyone. The whined for a bit but really loved the improvements their money bought. Your only responsibility is to contact the association and light a fire. It's a private road. Its very cold. Tell them the road will be clean soon. Avoid a date as soon as the sun comes out or May arrives! It's been along time since we have had this weather for this long, these now adults kids don't reminder when it was really bad! Get on the board and improvements your neighborhood! Let them all pay for it. --172.56.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 1:06 PM
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When the tenancy agreement or lease expires then add the cost of snow removal into the rent where estimate cost over a period of a year if required to plow out road. Or can add the cost to the problem tenant where snow plow problem comes to end. --99.236.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 1:20 PM
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Ask the fire marshall why he thinks he has the authority to tell you to plow it? tell him to put it in writing,that is when you will find out if he has the right to tell you that,if he doesnt he will refuse to put it in writing and make you out to be the bad guy,just smile and tell him i thought so,they really hate that --72.231.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 1:39 PM
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The Fire Marshall thinks it affect their fire truck. We just have this place less than 3 year, he asked me to fix the road too. But some houses share same entrance road to our road, No one can force home owners to do anything. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 2:05 PM
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Then why are you letting them force you to do it? Don't.

You need to find out who owns the road and only pay your part.

Up your rent. --73.120.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 2:10 PM
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Do all road have private owner or be owned by the neighborhood. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 2:10 PM
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Tenants who like to complain and like drama need to go.

Give this tenant an immediate notice and do not renew.

Get rid of him.

Then consider selling the place. If the association will not do their job, you do not need them. Be done with them. --24.180.xx.xx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 2:36 PM
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You don't live there CJ stay out of it. This is not your battle, not your problem to solve. Let's lunch soon. --172.56.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 2:44 PM
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Plenty, Thanks.

In the lease agreement, snow removal is tenant's responsibility. I thought some landlord have that in lease too. It is townhouse --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 2:52 PM
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I'm not really understanding. If it's a condo association type unit, the association pays.... not individual property owners. Say 10 houses - would everyone be responsible to shovel 10 feet of the 100 foot roadway? It doesn't work that way when you have private roads in a community. (not talking about private shared road agreements in rural type areas).

If it's actually your driveway and not the public roadway, that's in your agreement with the association who is responsible. The only association I own property in says more than 2-3 inches they take care of it. Less than that, it's my responsibility.

Go to the next meeting, contact the management company, contact the board as a whole and tell them what the fire chief told you. Should there be another time, don't even discuss something like this with someone - tell them to contact the board/management company/whoever.

As usual, I think something is missing in this scenario. --72.70.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 3:11 PM
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It is small neighborhood about 15 houses and 3x4family townhouse. I do not think there is association. This is the tenant alway complaining about everything and Want extra parking. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 3:22 PM
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Does your lease allow a "snow plow assessment?" Make the tenants all pay for the snow removal up to your location and let it be know it's all due to this tenant's complaint. --108.69.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by Jerry [MA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 3:34 PM
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"I do not think there is association."

Really doesn't matter. Some entity (association, builder, maybe you) owns the road. That entity is responsible for making the road passable for fire trucks. That entity will get the fine for not plowing the road.

One way to play this is to simply ignore it. If you don't own the road then you won't directly be held liable. But depending on how the road is owned, you might have liability. As a small step, you might want to find out who owns the road. Ignorance is not a good strategy. --71.233.xxx.xx




snow removal problem (by OKHMBLDR [OK]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 3:38 PM
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His lease is up 3/1/21. Unless you allowed him to renew, then he's month to month. Give him notice now that his lease will not be renewed and he needs to be out 3/31/21. By then the snow will be gone and so will he. --174.67.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 3:48 PM
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Prior owner tried to make HOA, but none of the house owner want to do anything. I guess the road owned by every one in the neighborhood. The county and City do not want to plow there.

What is snow plow assessment? Is that to make every tenant agree to pay? I will google it more what to do? Thanks. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 4:07 PM
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My lease automatically renew 12 month. I already told him 3% rent increase. We normaly do not raise rent for 5 to 10 year for good tenants.. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 4:07 PM
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I am not sure that the owner of the road has a legal obligation to remove the snow. Who says there is such an obligation? When I was a kid, the public street was left unplowed; our local gov't denied that it was legally obligated to plow. The snowfall was "an act of God," and the Town could let it wait until they got good and ready to plow it.

CJ, I would not get into a p!ssing contest with the Fire Marshal or the Tenant or anyone else here. Ignore it until you have to address it -- that is, ignore it unless you get some kind of formal notice from the Fire Marshal, other gov't official or a court.

--71.38.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 4:24 PM
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CJ (MO)

There was a situation similar to yours a little while back.

No one knew who owned the road and taxes did not get paid.

The road went up for tax sale.

I thought about buying it and then putting up a toll road pay me here building.

Can you imagine what the home owners would have thought having a pay a toll each time they left their house or came home.

Maybe you should buy the road

--98.20.xxx.x




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 4:31 PM
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Mike45, That is what my lease said too. I am worried I will have to do it every time snow or ice if tenants want me to do. It is not help much if we just clean our part, and leave the entrance road not done.

--104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:17 PM
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First find out for sure if its a private road or maintained by the county. Just tell resident sonething they will believe, Tell your resident "the county will get it to plow it after all the priority street are clean. They have lots of highway, its a big county. Sometimes small streets get overlooked. You'll check into it" --172.56.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:17 PM
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First find out for sure if its a private road or maintained by the county. Just tell resident sonething they will believe, Tell your resident "the county will get it to plow it after all the priority street are clean. They have lots of highway, its a big county. Sometimes small streets get overlooked. You'll check into it" --172.56.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:20 PM
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This tenant maybe want me to pay him to plow. "no ma'am. you have made it very clear you on the street. as the owner of the street you have responsibilities. one of those responsibilities is to make sure the street is travelable and safe for emergency vehicles in case there is emergency on your street. if you need help plowing it I will help if you don't please get it plowed so it is possible otherwise you are in violation of your responsibilities according to the fire marshal."

I remember this tenant asked me to pay him to fix his neighbor's stuff before. I told him, I am not going to pay you to fix your neighbor stuff and your neighbor never asked to fix anything. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:20 PM
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This tenant maybe want me to pay him to plow. "no ma'am. you have made it very clear you on the street. as the owner of the street you have responsibilities. one of those responsibilities is to make sure the street is travelable and safe for emergency vehicles in case there is emergency on your street. if you need help plowing it I will help if you don't please get it plowed so it is possible otherwise you are in violation of your responsibilities according to the fire marshal."

I remember this tenant asked me to pay him to fix his neighbor's stuff before. I told him, I am not going to pay you to fix your neighbor stuff and your neighbor never asked to fix anything. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:34 PM
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You are not hiring him or requesting heh do anything, that's for sure! Just stop talking to him. I don't like his text, it would upset. How do you own the street? How many homes on this street, it sounds like you own the entire street! --172.58.xx.xx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:35 PM
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You are not hiring him or requesting heh do anything, that's for sure! Just stop talking to him. I don't like his text, it would upset. How do you own the street? How many homes on this street, it sounds like you own the entire street! --172.58.xx.xx




snow removal problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 5:35 PM
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You are not hiring him or requesting heh do anything, that's for sure! Just stop talking to him. I don't like his text, it would upset. How do you own the street? How many homes on this street, it sounds like you own the entire street! --172.58.xx.xx




snow removal problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 7:47 PM
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CJ, I disagree with you. Assume you really do own the street.

"as the owner of the street you have responsibilities. one of those responsibilities is to make sure the street is travelable and safe for emergency vehicles in case there is emergency on your street." Says who???

Where is it written that I, as owner of street, have a legal obligation to keep it travelable and safe for emergency vehicles?

Do not ask the Tenant to plow or shovel the street. Do not ask the Tenant to shovel the driveway or the pathway to the front door or anything else. Do not pay him to do any of these things. The Tenant can stay inside, I don't care. If he wants to shovel snow, that is his decision, and you do not pay him for it.

--71.38.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by cj [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 8:33 PM
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I do not think the road is owned by me or anyone. The road should be owned by the community or neighborhood. The tenant just say whatever he wants to say. I told hime we do not own the street. It is true that we do not want tenants or anyone to trash the street. Just to keep the stree neat, not to take the ownership.

The tenant is handyman and we never hired him to do anything even he asked again. He just wants to find things wrong for neighbor tenants home and neighborhood. I do not like that and I told him I do not need his help to talk my other tenants about what we need to do. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 8:46 PM
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You could give him a quitclaim deed for the street. Now it's his problem if one exists. --108.69.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 8:52 PM
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Lsndlord of the fly, Do I have the right to do that? What if he charges us for using if he owns it.

I want him to move out. Next year I will raise more rent on him. We normally keep tenants rent stay if they do not cause us stress and problem.

--104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by MIKE SWMO [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 9:21 PM
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Cj. If you quit claim the property to him look up " easement by prescription " first --174.234.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 9:37 PM
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Mike SWMO, hard for me to understand those. It is not my street anyway. The tenant just want me to pay him to plow. The fire marshal just want to have him covered and prove he did something. Landlords are easy target.

--104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 9:42 PM
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We are happy we have water and power during the extream cold. I heard some TX people have no power nor water due to freezen. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2021 11:40 PM
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I think you are focusing on the wrong thing here. The tenant is not the real issue.

I find it VERY hard to believe when this community was originally laid out that the municipality did not require some type association or deed covenants outlining things such as road ownership and maintenance. --72.70.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2021 1:30 AM
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I was thinking about this some more. You really need to know who maintains the roads. At some point, there will be holes to be filled in and eventually the roads will need re paved and new curbing. --72.70.xxx.xxx




snow removal problem (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2021 9:12 AM
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I can get on my county website to find out who owns any parcel in the county. If that is not available to you, go to your County Recorder's office (or whatever it's called there) and tell them what you want to know. --107.141.xx.xxx




snow removal problem (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2021 10:20 AM
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It is very small and quiet community. Prior owner already tried everything. It is common problem here for some small semi rural communites. No HOA or HOA not doing anything. --104.186.x.xxx




snow removal problem (by Jerry [MA]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2021 2:03 PM
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CJ: "I do not think the road is owned by me or anyone"

Absolutely incorrect. It is owned by someone, or some entity (county, city, private company, association). You can easily find out the owner, and you should do so. For all you know it is you, and if so you will be on the receiving end of the fine from the fire department. --71.233.xxx.xx




snow removal problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2021 3:36 PM
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CJ, I disagree with some of the responses. If I were you, I would not care who owns the road, and I would not do any research or waste any time or energy looking into it. Just tell the Tenant that you are not plowing and that God put the snow down and He will melt it at his own convenience. End of story.

The suggestion that you quitclaim the road to the Tenant was facetious -- that means "not serious" -- it was intended to be funny. Some of the members do not recall that your English is limited and that you might not recognize "cute" humorous suggestions. Forget that "suggestion." Do NOT quit claim the road!

--71.38.xx.xxx



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