It seems we are having more tenants on here asking questions about what is right or wrong with what their LL is doing or charging. Not sure what is going on with many of the LLs with many decades of experience, but some are taking everything T says at face value and blasting the LL based on T's story.

WTH is going on? It used to be that it was just Moshe that seemed to be coming out with a playlist for how to destroy the LL. Now, several LLs are blasting their brothers and sisters indiscriminately or telling the T's how much money their LL is making on them and how the T is paying their mortgage for them so they should be worshipping the ground they walk on (see Landlord vs Tenant...Jan. 21) Others are telling the T to sue the LL in court for two to three times the amount that the LL withheld from their deposit (Garage Remote, Jan.9).

Now I'm not saying that all LLs are fair. And some of them give us a bad name, but what are we doing/thinking? Our answers to such inquiries used to be thoughtful and we understood that T's often lie or exaggerate their story..."I left it looking better than when I moved in," "those holes were punched in the wall when we moved in," and "my LL just doesn't like me because I have 3 ESA's."

I don't want to call this out on the same thread that tenants are posting on but please don't be so careless as to post something that hurt all of us. T's have a number of easy and free sites and often even free representation. Do we really need to give them the keys to our own safe, too? Please think carefully before you post an answer to a tenant's question on this site and how that question should be viewed and answered.

I happened to agree with the tenant who posted in the garage remote thread. I had to give her the benefit of the doubt on that one.

However, you have to ignore 90-95% of the landlords who post on here. You know that by now.

JB, I would not be surprised if they, the tenants and there free attorney's, followed all of this forum.

As for the other recent tenant - assuming that the monthly rent in SoCal is $2,500 and they were there for eight years, that is just under a quarter mil in income.

If a tenant gives you that much income, should you be just a tad bit sensitive to our customers concerns?

If as a LL you are not willing to do that, please send your accounts willing to pay that amount towards me.

The LL is not always right. I am inclined to believe there are even some LLs living in fever in 2021. I believe 2021 is a great time to go shopping for Multi-Families and a bad time to shop for SFH.

You are correct though, I agree with you - there seems to be more residents asking questions which goes to that the LL out there isn't sure what to do and isn't communicating like they should be. I don't blame the LL, there is some much changing at so many levels that it is tough to know what is going on TODAY - but the standard you are used to might not be the standard tomorrow.

It is frustrating

Yes, JB - good points.

IF we reply to someone who IDs themself as a tenant we should be extra careful what we say.

And Yes, 6x6 - they very well may be. And we also need to be careful thoughtful as to what we say to each other, who ID ourselves as Landlords.

And always use a nickname

One saying I like is "if you don't have anything good (or helpful) to say, don't say anything at all."

I have much to say on this subject but will stick to one point. Aren't we the same group who just lambasted the other party for not giving information? So now we have several who want to control what we tell others??? AND more importantly WHO those others should be or not be.

The gist is concerning a garage door remote (in case some missed it) a 25.00 remote that the Landlord said she couldn't find (to replace a missing one) and billed the tenant 400.00 for a whole new system.

I included the details of the post for EVERYONE to view if they wanted a refresher or to see for the first time. What this has to do with political parties or "controlling what we tell others."

AGAIN, from myob's prior first post regarding Garage Remote from Jan. 9,

"Can I mention this is a LL site to HELP LL's!!!!!

Go find a tenant site and bother them. Gee's people.

Nothing like cutting our own throats....."

NE can I be this bold? YOU SAY-- Ignore 90 to 95% of the LL's here? Why even bother coming here then?

OK! so let's have people like you and JB be the moderator's. You ALL decide which post are good-- cause your posts have been out there in sun spot land.

NE Didn't you just post your not posting any more? Trying to get us all to BEG you to stay?

Oh! but you did agree on the garage door opener? Really who cared if you did or not? It wasn't up for your approval.

We all went a bit off the rails over this horrific past year. We all dug in on our particular political beliefs and refused to budge (well *I* didn't but NE did...LOL I'm KIDDING!.......sort of)

But it's a new day. It's a new year. It's time to pull ourselves back up by our boot straps and share ideas how to deal with this new reality of bad tenants, moratoriums, ESAs, new screeing techniques...without being a$$holes to each other.

Agreed WMH. Things to keep in mind.

Myob, you off your meds today? You're rambling as much as Ally. I didn't say I was done posting here. I said I was done arguing about the political things. I didn't say that I was going to stop to help the newbies. I think that they deserve a fair warning when they are getting garbage advise.

You can assume that the 90 to 95% applies to you, but I never did say that.

Myob, there is a very good reason that Jeffrey posts this disclaimer as one of the main bullet points regarding the MrLLQ&A. In case you don't remember:

"(Tenants, please note that this site is for landlords; you'll get far more help by going to a tenant website)"

Now Jeffrey doesn't come right out and tell US, "Hey, don't be stupid and give the tenants the keys to the kingdom when they come on here and ask questions." But make no mistake, he certainly would not want us spewing like a rabid dog everything we know about the law and how best to get back at the LL because he/she may or may not have done everything in a textbook manner or used perfect judgement. Jeffrey simply asks the tenants to post elsewhere...read between the lines, PLEASE.

I am not sure that being more respectful of each other is Kumbaya or that it needs to be equated to leftist.

I realize that all of the leftist talk is about unity right now but are we really going to let them destroy our words right now as well as our friendships because we are afraid of being accused as leftist because we show respect to one another. Maybe the leftist really have won then.

I thought respect meant that we were more mature and that it was the right thing to do. I am trying to learn this myself from others on this site and sometimes that is hard to do.

That doesn't mean that we can't have our own view points and stand up for what is right.

It is very disrespectful of us to treat each other this way when we should be appreciative of each others help on this site.

I would dare say that none of us are exactly right on all things and that we all can make bad decisions as I know I do.

Why should someone be made to feel like they are weak or wrong because they say that we should respect each other. That in itself is wrong but that is also just my opinion and I could be wrong.

I will quit venting now,grins...

Sorry JB.

I rarely post response on questions asked by tenants. Mostly I don't because I feel that there are plenty of places that tenants who need help can get it but there aren't many sites where LLs can get help. That being said I have on occasion helped tenants in my area find solutions to their problem if I personally know that their LL was being unfair to them.

Yes lets only hear from LL's -- that will make us stronger.

Just talk amongst ourselves so we can learn how we're doing with tenants? Do you here yourself? This site is for LL's and LL's who agree with me-- yea we're great.....

we went from 90 to 95% correct to comic relief to name calling. Great.

When your point -- the 5% we should believe on here isn't taken as gospel-- the name calling begins-- it strengthens your position-- Kumbaya!!!! Where does that dig come from?

A tenant who takes the time to ASK LL's what they think on this site-- may rankle some but it shows some initiative and thought given to what happened to the tenant-- that they went to LL's for their opinions is insightful on their part.

MYOB, do you go to tenant sites and say, "Hey everybody, I'm a LL with 63 SFH. I don't like tenants to stay very long. I'm just wondering what y'all think I should do about raising rents."

Paulio of course I do. What is wrong with your thinking-- how do you get a feel for what's going on-- just THIS web site. You have to look at tenants and your not going to get a good look here?

"A tenant who takes the time to ASK LL's what they think on this site-- may rankle some but it shows some initiative and thought given to what happened to the tenant-- that they went to LL's for their opinions is insightful on their part."

Okay, I guess someone just wants to purposefully be obtuse. In case I wasn't 1000 percent clear: I'm not blaming the T for asking their questions. Just because they come and give us a story or some song and dance about what the LL did I guess you will just go bat*it crazy, tell them to go sue the LL and take him for all he's got.

AGAIN, it is STUPID answers we should ALL have a problem with. But you do you. Just don't be surprised if you eventually lose your favorite LL sight or get kicked off of it. Wow!

[[[[[[[........ do you go to tenant sites and say, "Hey everybody, I'm a LL with 63 SFH. I don't like tenants to stay very long. I'm just wondering what y'all think I should do about raising rents........]]]]]]

I do read and post on a tenant website. I will tell the obnoxious ones that if they continue to be the nuisance that they are being that their landlord might non-renew their lease or their landlord might raise their rent in hopes that they will leave voluntarily.

Where do all of you find these tenant sites?

Are they state specific?

Regardless of opinions on how to answer when they ask here... Do we really have that many posting questions here that often? I mean, I can think of one or two in the past few months maybe?

Seems pretty darn rare to me still.

- John...

I for one don't see many posts here. Many (majority) I wouldn't answer but for some reason the 400.00 door opener just hit me wrong (as maybe many of you also felt) and felt like a short answer was needed.

It's citi-data.com. It is a well known website with a ton of info.

I read the thread by Raf and I found that person to be respectful if a bit naive about how things worked. I don't have a problem with that thread. There was another thread a few months ago by "James" I think and that T was clearly trying to work the system.