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Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Jan 19, 2021 2:11 PM
       Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Jan 19, 2021 2:13 PM
       Tenant parking (by DJ [VA]) Jan 19, 2021 2:32 PM
       Tenant parking (by cjl [NY]) Jan 19, 2021 2:35 PM
       Tenant parking (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 19, 2021 2:56 PM
       Tenant parking (by Deanna [TX]) Jan 19, 2021 5:31 PM
       Tenant parking (by Nellie [ME]) Jan 19, 2021 6:01 PM
       Tenant parking (by Lynn [MA]) Jan 19, 2021 8:45 PM
       Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Jan 19, 2021 8:55 PM
       Tenant parking (by Tonia [RI]) Jan 19, 2021 9:58 PM
       Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Jan 19, 2021 10:35 PM
       Tenant parking (by Small potatoes [NY]) Jan 19, 2021 10:50 PM
       Tenant parking (by S i d [MO]) Jan 20, 2021 8:40 AM
       Tenant parking (by Steve [MA]) Jan 20, 2021 9:15 AM
       Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Jan 20, 2021 1:16 PM
       Tenant parking (by Steve [MA]) Jan 20, 2021 2:52 PM
       Tenant parking (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 20, 2021 5:57 PM
       Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Jan 22, 2021 6:30 AM


Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 2:11 PM
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I live in a duplex and rented half my house out to two guys. They are renting a 3 bedroom apartment. They notified me that one of their brothers and his two adult sons would be moving in. I allowed that as I believe the law doesn't allow me to restrict this. My lease has no parking on premises. I allowed the tenant to park on car there. The new tenant has a car. Can I say he can't park on the premises, that he has to use the street? What if they don't listen, can I have it towed? If I knew what I knew now, I would have never rented the apartment to him. --67.241.x.xxx




Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 2:13 PM
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I should restate that they have one car, and their relatives came with a second car that they will need to park somewhere. --67.241.x.xxx




Tenant parking (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 2:32 PM
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I would say that if the second car blocks you, certainly don't allow it.

However, let's go back a step. Did they "notify" you, not "ask" you to let them apply?

Did you request / receive / process / approve applications from all of them?

If the answers are Yes & No respectively - you have a bigger problem than you know. You have allowed them to have control over your house.

Rule # 1) The Landlord is in charge

Rule # 2) The Tenant is not.

I'm curious how long the first two have been there & how long for the other 3? You may still be able to take back control by referring to your lease (assuming it addresses this) and enforce it. --68.229.xxx.xxx




Tenant parking (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 2:35 PM
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You can state no parking. You may want to check with an attorney but I'm thinking that if you are allowing the one to park there you may end up NOT being able to tell them no from here on out but I don't know how your paperwork is written up.

You CAN state that the other vehicle cannot park there though.

Are they in a lease or month to month? Who is paying for what (meaning, if you are paying utilities, you can "up" the rent for additional people - but again, check with your attorney on that). If they are month to month then just end the tenancy or jack the rent up (depending on where you are and how long they have lived there).

Next time don't just assume you can't say no to relatives ... now you have 5 adult people living in a 3 bedroom house. You can state how many people "max" are allowable.

Did you run a background and credit check on the brother and his sons? If they are all adults you can and should have. No one gets to move in unless they are approved by you. Unfortunately, it appears you allowed it. --67.242.xx.xx




Tenant parking (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 2:56 PM
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I own a duplex with a narrow driveway to the rear garages built in 1934 when cars were skinny. Very few of the modern vehicles would fit down the driveway. So only one car can park in the driveway close to the street.

My long term tenants are an elderly couple in their late 70's. I gave them use of the driveway for parking, except when I need it when making repairs.

In comes a new tenant where the lease clearly states that the driveway is off limits to the new tenants. The driveway is for the elderly tenants, gardeners use and for my occasional repairs.

The new tenants started to use the driveway to unload their groceries when the driveway wasn't in use and left their vehicle there over night in some type of protest. The old tenants are afraid to make the new tenants move their car. I told the old tenants that they have to speak up.

So I posted "Assigned Parking Spot/Towaway Zone" signs. Then I signed a contract with a towing company that a phone call to them will get cars towed in less than 1 hour.

On a Wednesday night I got a phone call about a furnace not working. SO I sent texted message to both tenants that I need the driveway the next day from 10 AM to 2 PM. The next day I drove to the property with my work van, 12,000 pounds loaded with tool and supplies. The driveway was taken. The new tenants parked their car then and forgot to move it. Also my gardeners were they having trouble getting the trash cans from the backyard around the vehicle and put on the curb for trash pick up.

I called those tenants and no one answered the phone. So I called my towing company and had the car towed. There was no parking on the street and I didn't want to park my van blocks away. You can always find a parking spot if you get up before the work day when people leave for work around 7 AM.

My tenant was mad that they were towed. They violated the lease which gave them zero parking. I told them I needed the driveway to fix a furnace. Unless you make a tenant understand, they will keep on doing what ever they wanted. But a 125 towing bill set them stright. --47.155.xx.xxx




Tenant parking (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 5:31 PM
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"I live in a duplex and rented half my house out to two guys. They are renting a 3 bedroom apartment."

Are you in one half of the duplex and you've rented out the other unit of the duplex to two guys? Or are you in one half of the duplex, and you've taken in three lodgers to share your unit with you?

"(The two guys) notified me that one of their brothers and his two adult sons would be moving in. I allowed that as I believe the law doesn't allow me to restrict this."

Ummm, that's what your lease does--- it restricts who's allowed to live in the property you possess. People can have visitors, but there's a difference between someone stopping by for the weekend, vs being there for a week or three, vs being there permanently.

And as an owner-occupant--- whether you've rented out one half of your duplex, or you've rented out a three-bedroom apartment within your own unit--- you've got more rights than most of us who merely rent out properties in which we don't live.

You need to get rid of all of them. Although, if you've allowed it, it now becomes difficult to say, "Oh, I changed my mind..."

Once upon a time, I rented out a teeny little 1/1 to him, her, and their newborn. I was trying to be accommodating, since they had friends-with-a-truck who were helping them move, so I let them move in with just her signature, because he was at work. I went back the next day to get his signature... and discovered that they had turned the living room into a bedroom, and the occupants were now him, her, their baby, his two kids from a previous relationship, and her kid from a previous relationship. They were instantly terminated for lying on their application, because they had known if they had applied as a family of 6 for a <500 sf 1/1, they would have been rejected.

You rented your 3-br apartment to a party-of-two, not a party-of-five. And I presume you only screened and approved two adults, instead of screening and approving five adults.

If you want to be all get-along, you can do that... but you'll want their names, their DOB's, their SSN's, their employment information, their criminal history. And if utilities are included in the rent, you'll probably look at a utility surcharge for each additional person over the initial two. I hope you're mtm... ;) --137.118.xx.xxx




Tenant parking (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 6:01 PM
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My lease specifies an up charge of $150/month/person if people are added to the lease. (With the exception of children, although my lease does not specify that) All adults must also fill out an application and be approved, just as any new tenant.

Be wary. Very wary. --70.16.xxx.xxx




Tenant parking (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 8:45 PM
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Only the people on the lease are typically permitted to live there unless they get married and/or have a child. Brother's and brothers kids who are not on the lease can be restricted. --71.184.xxx.xx




Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 8:55 PM
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My tenant is on section 8, and they do not live in my apartment. Section 8 lease and my lease limit to two people , My lease states $50 per addition person if approved. The New York State tenants guide put out by the attorney general states that each tenant is allowed to have to immediate family members each, and one additional occupant. That is why I assumed I couldn’t stop him from bringing them in. My lease states no parking on premises. Verbally I recently permitted the original tenant to park their new car they just bought in a spot. The relative would like parking too. Also it is an electric car they are charging with a 110 volt extension cord. They said it doesn’t charge fast enough and want a 220 volt outlet like a dryer outlet. There plan is to install one in the back room and run a cord out the window to the car. I don’t think that will work that well. They also suggested putting it outside, but are to cheap to buy the charging station. They said the other reason they want the relatives there is to help pay the rent. He said he will end his section 8 if he needs to. Section 8 is only paying about $150 per month. --67.241.x.xxx




Tenant parking (by Tonia [RI]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 9:58 PM
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I am in a similar predicament with my tenant moving in two additional family members. Same as you, she informed me, did not ask, did not care and yes taking up parking in my back lot. I cannot believe the audacity of this tenant and sent lease violation notice. However, I going to give her a rental application, draft up a temporary agreement, and demand payment for back rent before approving. Glad my lease is mtm also. --172.56.xx.xxx




Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 10:35 PM
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I’m not that lucky. My tenants lease doesn’t end until 8 months. I told them no originally, but relented since I think the law is on their side. With an eviction moratorium until May, possibly to be extended to September, I don’t think I could do anything anyway. --67.241.x.xxx




Tenant parking (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2021 10:50 PM
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Your don't have to allow additional parking. If you choose your can let them decide which car it is. Since you indicate you made a verbal agreement it would be non binding. My lease states all communication in writing. Where I have driveways it refers to separate driveway agreement. And no you do not have to accommodate an ev plug. Lock your basement now if it's not and the attic.

I world agree that the brother doesn't fit the family member criteria. I believe that to be parent /child relations.

And while you collect section 8 rent don't receive any other funds from them outside of s8

Good luck, take control and return here for support --172.58.xxx.xx




Tenant parking (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2021 8:40 AM
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"I told them no originally, but relented since I think the law is on their side."

A land lord who doesn't KNOW the law is a danger to himself and others. Step 1: correct this. Pay an attorney if you can't or won't do the research yourself. Your #1 job is to know the law and follow it. Don't guess, don't wait, don't dither: get it done.

Second thing: don't say things or put them in your lease unless you are prepared to enforce them. If you don't plan on charging $50 per person, then delete that line out of your lease.

As it is, you have what we in the military used to call a "Cluster". Time to uncluster. Time to take back control.

Send your tenant notice regarding your lease agreement and how many people are permitted to live in your unit. If they fail to comply, issue notice of non-renewal immediately. Even if their lease doesn't end for 8 more months, there is no reason to wait. At bare minimum, set a reminder in your phone for 90 days from the lease end date and sent it then, or send a reminder if you send one today. Do not miss your time deadline on issuing notice.

Also, let the tenant know you will be contacting Section 8 and inform them more people (unauthorized) are moving in without your permission. Vouchers are usually issued based on the number of people living there, and if any of them have wage earning capacity that may reduce or eliminate your tenant's voucher. This gives you some leverage with your tenant, if he's smart and wants to keep his voucher.

This is another reason I don't take Section 8. "Guaranteed rent" (heh, I have a story about that!) isn't worth dealing with entitlement mentality tenants that feel your lease is a doormat on which to wipe their muddy shoes.

--107.216.xxx.xxx




Tenant parking (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2021 9:15 AM
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In addition to what the others have already said you need to learn & follow Aldo's two rules of Landlording.

#1. The Landlord is in charge.

#2 The Tenant is not in charge. --71.174.xxx.xx




Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2021 1:16 PM
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The eviction moratorium puts the tenant in control. If they wanted they could stay and not pay anything until they get kicked out. So whether or not I could have kept them from moving in isn’t known. --67.241.x.xxx




Tenant parking (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2021 2:52 PM
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John, unless there is some special local law, the eviction moratorium really only applies to non payment of rent eviction not for other lease violations.

Your rental agreement should list everyone who was allowed to live in the unit at the original move in. They would also all be listed on both yours & the original tenant's paperwork with the PHA. Just because they want to move someone in doesn't mean that you have to accept it or that the PHA will authorize it without your written consent. As Sid said the tenant might change their tune once they realize that they could be kicked off the S8 program for allowing unauthorized people move in. --71.174.xxx.xx




Tenant parking (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2021 5:57 PM
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--73.120.xx.xxx




Tenant parking (by John [NY]) Posted on: Jan 22, 2021 6:30 AM
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I don't even think the local courts will even be open for civil actions until the spring because of covid. Also I found out they moved a dog into the apartment, against the lease. Either way the courts closed for now, so can't do anything until May or June at the earliest. --67.241.x.xxx





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