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Moratorium extension (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 6:03 PM
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I just heard on radio that B wants to extend the moratorium until September.

--172.58.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 6:04 PM
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Refer to the last paragraph of my "I'm done" post. --70.44.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 6:47 PM
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How about some predictions? --75.7.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:14 PM
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September?? can this really be? the only reason some tenants been paying is because it was a moratorium that was extended every month. now they are being told upfront no evictions till September which means the court backlog will be so long they can live for free for a year. arent we helping those truly affected by extending unemployment benefits?? good luck, my friends. --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Deborah [OR]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:20 PM
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Nothing would surprise me with Biden. Everything free. Forever. --72.19.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:26 PM
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He is also asking for 1.9 trillion stimulus...maybe this is just an opening gambit and he doesnt expect to get all this...I hope the Sept extension does not go through. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:27 PM
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The current approach has been to create moratoriums but not address the financial implications. Maybe the future approach will be both. --74.83.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:51 PM
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Unless rental assistance accompanies that, the moratorium is problematic. --209.122.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:56 PM
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and, inherently unfair and nonsensical --70.92.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Cat [WI]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 8:03 PM
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I have one unit empty and one coming empty once I get this tenant out after giving 30 day non renewal notice and filing eviction when she didn't leave.

I have decided that if I do rent them out during this pandemic, with Biden in there, I am only going to do 3 month rental agreements. If there are issues, hopefully I would be able to do a 30 day non renewal at the end of the 2nd month to hopefully get them out soon afterwards and not get locked into a long lease. I don't really want to do month to month starting out as someone could rent for a month, find something they like better and move right back out. Could have more frequent turnovers with just month to month. I think 3 months is a happy medium and then it would go month to month, until we can get back to normal and have regular eviction laws again.

We will see what my court case on the 25th turns out to be. Hopefully eviction.

There was no vehicle there when I stopped at my 3 unit where eviction tenant lives. I noticed the curtain was not on the entry window. Just had to peek in. Saw a rolled up carpet in the entry way and possibly other things moved around. I did not want to stay there long, should she come home. I did notice that a meat smoker that another tenant had left there sometime ago and I had put in the open shed to take home, was gone. It was a nice and fairly new one but was waiting to get my truck running to pick it up. Highly suspect her, but no proof and the pull up door to the garage has been up for years. Off the track and extremely heavy so left it up.

Also I noticed that a door in the garage, that my late fiance had nailed shut as it goes to the upper floor above the garage had been pryed open Nothing up there but a weak floor which I tell everyone about and the junk up there on the floor. --50.105.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 8:14 PM
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Good luck Cat but I think the federal moratorium they are screwing landlords with applies to tenants who dont leave if they are on a month to month lease too. total nonsense and absolutely disgraceful what they are doing to us landlords --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 8:41 PM
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Another 25B in rental assistance and 5B for utility assistance. Funny how getting money to the people that need it is easy when you have the right people in office. --74.83.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 8:53 PM
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The same party that let 260,000 people starve in Somalia in 2010-2012?

Starve.......

Such a bad prolonged way to go --24.101.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 8:56 PM
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Good luck having tenants apply for rental assistance so you can get paid. they can do nothing and you can't evict them --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 9:32 PM
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Why do tenants need 25B in rental assistance AND the moratorium extension? Seems like it should be one or the other. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 9:40 PM
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let's not forget extending unemployment benefits too. wonderful recipe to make tenant voters happy at the expense of the rich evil landlord --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 10:57 PM
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ROFLMAO The whole exercise of this "epidemic" is to derail the presidents economy and smash the middle class. Just wait until they dream up the Rent Moratorium. Me too NE, our local market is temporarily hot and I am going to unload my triplex first.

"Rental assistance" will come at a price. --216.23.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 11:38 PM
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Grow up. A pandemic is not a conspiracy. Its a public health emergency. If anything this real crisis has proven he is unable to govern in any way shape or form. The world is more than just a good economy. --74.83.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:21 AM
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As Lana said ďRental assistanceĒ will come at a huge price.

The worst is yet to come for anyone who rents.

I am no longer willing to take chances with my assets/money due to this gross overreaching.

If people think there arenít enough available/affordable rentals now this has guaranteed there will be even fewer in the future and the pool of those who will qualify for them even smaller as the remaining landlords tighten their requirements even further. Anyone who thinks this was a good idea is foolish. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:22 AM
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I can easily see them extending this to all year. I was kind of surprised that he limited it to September. This could be an even worse year for us, with a democratic-controlled congress and a guy like B.

There will be a lot of properties handed back to the banks. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:32 AM
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Constitution rights? What's this Constitution thing of which you speak? --76.178.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:36 AM
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HUGE mistake telling renters upfront that no eviction till september; before they kept extending monthly; now renters know we can do ZILCH. truly disgusting; they are giving millions to small businesses suffering but destroying us --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:38 AM
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I agree with Lisa. The thing is, eventually my state, (California East), keeps tightening landlord restrictions. Eventually it is predicted that we won't be able to use credit scores. We already (supposedly) have to allow Section 8 applicants - or whatever they're calling it this week. We also, supposedly, can't reject illegals.

Predictions are that these kinds of anti-landlord laws will spread. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:39 AM
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George, how is that a mistake? I don't see it. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 8:40 AM
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there is talk about sealing eviction records once the moratorium ends. at least section 8 you will get paid; --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 9:21 AM
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I heard it on the radio but I wanted to confirm it...looked online...yep he wants to extend it to September 30. :< --72.188.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 10:07 AM
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OH but the tenant still owes it and the LL can go after it????????

Second biggest lie.

Why would the big players not be taking this to court? EASY most have Sec 8. income. We are the little guys looking to have someone organize us. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 10:16 AM
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Let's play a game with $25 Billion, because it sure sounds like a lot until you look at the full picture.

A few numbers....

My average rent is $600/month. That's pretty cheap compared to most markets, but just for fun pretend that is the average rent.

According to HUD, there are 43.9 million occupied rental units.

Let's say that only 20% of those are having trouble paying rent and need rent assistance. The numbers I have seen are far worse, but for the sake of the example 20% is 8.7 million renters.

$600 (my cheap rent) * 8.7 million renters = $5.268 BILLION per month.

In summary, if 1 in 5 renters with cheap rents are having trouble, then this rent assistance will last slightly less than 5 months and won't make even a tiny dent in all of the back rent that is already owed.

For you math geeks out there.

--107.216.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 10:31 AM
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No doubt. It is designed to take some of the pressure off until the economy recovers. It is not designed to make you whole again. It adds to the 25B that was included in the combined fy2021/covid bill That is better than no action. --74.83.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Cat [WI]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 11:49 AM
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This is the one time that I am thrilled to have Section 8 assistance with my longer term tenants. My trouble tenant (female) that I am in the process of eviction WAS on Section 8. Too lazy to renew so she does not have the protections now. LOL.

I only have 3 on Section 8 now. None of them have been problems. One has been with me for 15 years, one has been with me for 18 years and the last one for maybe 2 years. All are on SS or SSI. None have even tried to take advantage of Covid protections.

I have a few others who are retired and the rest are still working as far as I know. Rent is paid every month by all of them.

I had one tenant who told me upfront that there was no way he could pay Dec 2020 rent so he moved out mid Novemeber even though he had paid for the entire month of November. I did charge him 1/2 month rent out of the deposit and to hire someone to clean the carpets, since he had spilled something in the bedroom. Smooth transaction though.

Only the female tenant so far, has used Covid as an excuse and hopefully she will be out soon.

Yes things will get worse with all this rent forgiveness talk, moratoriums and utility bailout payments. We, as landlords, get to pay twice. With our tenants not paying rent and no way to evict in the future and our taxes going to all these tenant bailouts. --50.105.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 12:16 PM
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Jeff,you cant reject illegals? once you have an app filled out call ICE,no more need to be concerned about the illegals --72.231.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 12:48 PM
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dont worry... illegals are more likely to pay you rent than the ones that know "the system" now --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 1:15 PM
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Ken, no ills will ever get into my buildings. But to your point, I wonder if it would be a crime to do that. I heard something like that. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 2:34 PM
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Sid: Agreed on the numbers -- but I am curious if 1-in-5 are having issues yet?

Whenever we talk about it here, it seems that most LLs here talking about it aren't having much trouble. A few here and there, sure, but I'm not sure if 20% are non-paying...

So, hard to say where to put the estimate on that, I guess.

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 3:26 PM
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Jeff,

My illegals are great. They pay. They don't argue. They don't threaten to call the Health Inspector or to sue. They accept rent increases.

Never had to evict one. They keep a low profile.

BUT...

When I visited Dallas I learned their illegals were much bolder.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 3:55 PM
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Illegals. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 3:58 PM
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Brad, so you're an enabler of people who thumb their noses at our laws. You get no respect. You're part of the problem. Also, I guess you're saying that your properties are less than ideal, but your illegal tenants are afraid to report you. Wow. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 5:13 PM
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not sure why Ray we should be overly concerned about Somalia when we have so many in the US needing help. first. --107.77.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2021 11:35 PM
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Supposedly within Biden's budget there is a line for landlord assistance. No details yet on how much or how that would be administered. Will have to see what eventually passes. My guess would be that you'd have to go through a huge bureaucracy to get money for a tenant who could not pay due to COVID. --99.92.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by george [IL]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 6:53 AM
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I agree with Brad. go to eviction court, and look around at the type of tenants that are in there stealing from us. it's the ones that know the system. Good luck! --99.92.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 8:31 AM
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Jeff,

My very best tenants have always been immigrant tenants. They bend over backwards to do everything right. The NEVER miss a payment. They are amiable and easy to work with.

I donít feel obligated to check their immigration status. If they have a tax ID number and I can run a credit/criminal check when they apply thatís all that matters to me. Have any of them over- stayed a visa? I donít know/care. They are the hardest working people I know.

I am in complete agreement with Brad on this one. And why would you assume because he has had good luck with immigrant tenants that his rentals are less than ideal? Plenty of awful tenants threaten to call the health department just because theyíre entitled jerks- has nothing to do with the quality of the rental. In my experience immigrant tenants are the farthest thing from entitled jerks there can be. They are grateful folks. I think youíre off base on this one. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 9:05 AM
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to be SPECIFIC : From my university days..... "Govt is ONLY in the business of providing those goods and services that the private sector finds unprofitable or undesirable"

SIMPLY NOT NOT NOT AN ENDEAVOR THEY SHOULD BE ENGAGED IN

THEN AGAIN - you have to be a serf of govt if you allowed them to lock you down with martial law

--73.61.xx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 10:13 AM
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Lisa,

You're using the old media trick of referring to illegals as "immigrants." You're not fooling anyone. It also insults those who respect our laws and do it the right way. Folks like you think if they miscategorize them enough, others will shrug their shoulders and refer to both groups as immigrants. One big happy group. It looks silly and I'm surprised to see you doing that.

There is a huge difference between someone who overstays by a few days intending to return and someone who crossed our border illegally, which is a crime.

It's not usually the job of citizens to report lawbreakers, but morale people do so. --76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 10:46 AM
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Jeff, people who have the gut and gumption to get here, get jobs, get housing, stay out of trouble...I'm not talking about the "bad" ones, I'm talking about those looking for a better life and because they come from the wrong country or have the wrong skill set can't get here legally.

The more obvious illegals here - where I am - are all the skilled labor that is so lacking in our own young people! Roofers, painters, carpenters, flooring installers, landscapers...

My roofer is "illegal" but has been here for decades, has American kids, American wife, runs a thriving business...these are not the people we need to get rid of, we need more of them. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 11:32 AM
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WMH, I bet your roofer is illegal and not "illegal."

If they came here illegally they are bad. Period.

Your contention that we need more of them is absurd. It doesn't deserve further comment.

The good news is that with the new administration there will be a lot more of them.

My hope is that their enablers find out firsthand and the hard way the folly of their ways. It will happen for some. Unfortunately those who don't support these lawbreakers will also have to pay.

--76.120.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 11:36 AM
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One of my roofing contractors finds the same. Immigrants, whether legal or not, are more likely to show up on time, work all day without complaint, and get the job done.

Nearly all the trades I know are constantly complaining about being unable to find help, and then the help that they can find is late, canít find a ride, canít find day care for the kids at the last minute, constantly pulling out their phone during work, wanting a 10 minute (that turns into 3 times that) break every hour.

The last flooring guy I fired would show up at 10am, set his stuff in place, then take a 30 minute break, then finally show up and work a few minutes, then go to lunch, etc. Took over a week to get 1200 sq ft of Grip Strip Allure installed! I fired him and did the rest myself in less time. --67.43.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Dodge [PA]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 11:59 AM
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So is coming to the US without immigration paperwork similar mentality as performing construction work without permits?

(Just asking for a friend as I told myself to work on my todo list rather than engage in these discussions) --174.198.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 12:22 PM
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No Jeff, again off base. My tenants, like Bradís most likely are- are immigrants. Iím not going to call them illegal when I donít know if thatís the case or not. I know they have tax ID numbers, jobs, and a strong work ethic. If they pass my screening Iím happy to rent to them because in my experience they are the best tenants to have. Not to mention the group I cater to doing believe in animals living inside houses, another bonus. So youíre barking up the wrong tree here. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 12:38 PM
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Not to mention many states have laws that prevent landlords from asking about immigration status, threatening to call immigration services on tenants, and retaliate against or evict tenants for being undocumented.

If they pass my credit/criminal screening, can show a history of sufficient income, have a US Bank Account to draft for rent payments, have required move in funds, and otherwise qualify, I rent to them. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 1:07 PM
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Good one, Dodge!!! --50.82.xxx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 2:01 PM
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What is this world coming to, I cannot believe what Iím reading!!! ďWe need more illegalsĒ, WHAT! Why even secure the borders anymore, hell, letís just let whoever wants to come on in to this country cause we need ďmore skilled laborĒ. Unbelievable, god forbid we actually enforce our immigration laws. Iím not arguing that immigrants are incredibly hard working, BUT THEY NEED TO BE HERE LEGALLY. Unless a prospect is in this county legally, I donít rent to them. By providing them housing and employment you are part of the problem, whether you want to admit it or not. --174.242.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 6:19 PM
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Jkj, donít misrepresent the intended point WMH was making. Itís clear the point being made was that the immigrant workers are skilled workers who are willing to work. We have not only a severe shortage of Americans who are willing to work but a serve shortage of Americans with skills in the trades.

Like others have mentioned I hear chronic disgust expressed by my contractors about not being able to find anyone skilled who is actually reliable/qualified, let alone physically fit. The immigrants fill a great need that we apparently have, they donít have an entitlement attitude, they bed over backwards to follow the rules and are grateful for the opportunities they have here.

Nobody is encouraging more illegals to come here. They are just pointing out that the immigrants theyíve had the pleasure to experience are good, hardworking tenants. Mine have banks accounts, tax IDs, registered businesses. Itís not my responsibility to monitor their immigration status. And apparently the banks, the IRS and the state department of business regulation doesnít care to either. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 7:55 PM
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Lisa, you know full well Im not talking about people that entered our country legally. WMH wrote, ďpeople who have the gut and gumption to get here, get jobs, get housing, stay out of trouble...I'm not talking about the "bad" ones, I'm talking about those looking for a better life and because they come from the wrong country or have the wrong skill set can't get here legally.Ē, those Lisa, are illegal immigrants. The individuals you described are legal immigrants that may or may not have over stayed their visa. There is an enormous difference between the 2 groups, and Americans like yourself that attempt to blend the 2 together and label them all as simply ďimmigrantsĒ should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone in the US that entered illegally should be returned to their country of origin. This country has immigration laws for a reason, the argument that because we need skilled laborers we should allow these ďillegal immigrantsĒ to stay is absurd. The only way for us to actually know which are the ďgood onesĒ is if they come here legally. --74.74.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 8:05 PM
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Iím well aware of WMHís point, but regardless of the need for skilled laborers, illegal immigration is a huge problem in the US. By housing and employing them we (Americans) are contributing to the problem. The argument that ďwell we need skilled labor and they are willing to workĒ is ridiculous, that mentality is aiding all illegal immigrants, the goods and the BAD ONES! --74.74.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 9:54 PM
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The biggest problem with illegal immigrants is their cost which pretty much comes from educating their children and uncompensated health care.

They are provided these benefits for free. However when they are employed they pay taxes and when they rent, well they pay rent.

Many states prohibit housing discrimination based on immigration status. Providing free benefits contributes to the problem far more than charging them for housing. Your anger is misdirected.

--216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 16, 2021 10:09 PM
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Iím not angry, I believe in our immigration laws. --74.74.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 7:51 AM
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You believe in them? I believe in them too. I also believe in our eviction laws. Neither work when theyíre not enforced. The anger should be directed at those who fail to enforce the laws.

--216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 8:56 AM
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Illegal immigrants donít belong in the US, bottom line. Just because certain politicians support them in order to get elected doesnít change the fact that illegal immigration is illegal. My disgust is placed right where is should be,(again Iím not angry), with the enablers, AND the politicians that pass these laws that allow illegal immigrants to live, and work in this country. The fact that you apparently feel strongly that once their here they can stay because it benefits you, is not going to change my mind. So with that said I think we should agree to disagree. --74.74.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 1:28 PM
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Apparently youíre reading too much into how I feel. Whether they are here or not has no affect on me unless they vote illegally. Iím all for the laws being enforced or changed if theyíre not going to be enforced.

My objection is with you calling landlords enablers when itís not their job to enforce the law but to follow the law. If the law tells you you canít discriminate based on immigration status than if you do so you are violating the law. The problem is the system and poor enforcement of the system.

They have to eat. Are grocers required to verify immigration status before selling them food? I donít think so. According to you then they must be enablers. How about school systems? Hospitals? Nope and nope. Apparently even employers everywhere arenít required to verify status using the e-verify system, itís optional. Why isnít it mandatory? It should be, itís mandatory for government contractors.

If you think landlords should be required to verify immigration status thatís fine. Write to your legislators and voice your thoughts. If that becomes a landlord requirement then the landlord can justifiably do so without fear of being sued for housing discrimination. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 2:33 PM
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Lisa Iím not personally attacking you, if Iíve given you that impression I apologize. I strongly believe that people need to enter our country legally, we as a society should not be encouraging them to come, or enabling them to stay. Crossing our border illegally is a crime, people that have crossed illegally should absolutely not be enabled to stay here. They should not be allowed a driverís license, they should not be allowed housing, they should not be provided free education, they should not have access to free health care. You seem to think I am saying that we as LLís should be doing what we can so as not to enable illegal immigrants regardless of housing laws, perhaps I havenít worded myself properly, but Iím not saying LLís need to violate laws to keep out illegal immigrants, Iím saying our country, from the politicians down need to support our immigration laws. We all know that crossing into our country illegally is a crime, but that is where it ends. Once here there are no repercussions, as a society we are enabling them, and encouraging them to cross illegally. There is no point in having immigration laws if as a country we basically allow them to live here as a legal immigrant. The politicians draft these laws because we allow it, we as a country have said they should be able to live like every American. If I know a person is here illegally I will not rent to them, and I would never hire an illegal. So again, if my previous posts implied that Iím attacking you, or LLís specifically I apologize, sometimes when we post things are intent isnít always obvious, we keep the post short and as a result we leave a lot out. My disgust is with this country for enabling and encouraging these criminals, and politicians for enacting laws that protect them. --74.74.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Mike [PA]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 3:33 PM
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Just evicted another Suk8 tenant

I stopped taking them now. Have better luck with those who don't start out with their hand out asking for free money. --24.115.xx.xxx




Moratorium extension (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 5:06 PM
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Jkj, I think weíre closer to agreeing than not.

We have caused are own problems by not enforcing our own laws and distributing benefits and providing jobs without being required to verify status. If this ended they wouldnít be clamoring to come here in the first place.

That being said, based on my experience with the immigrants Iíve rented to (who most likely have work visas, I canít say for sure only that they had tax ID #s and US bank accounts so that was my assumption- If I canít do a credit/criminal screening I wonít accept them) they are excellent tenants. We should make things easier for those who want to work. Iíd rather exchange some of our native born who milk the system and find ways not to work for more immigrants like the ones I know. Not only do they work, they bend over backwards to follow the rules so as not to jeopardize their opportunity, and they donít qualify for things like welfare, Medicaid, food stamps.

I understand that technically they are committing a crime if they enter illegally or overstay their visa. And technically that makes them criminals. I just have a harder time than you classifying them all as such. It seems harsh. I mean technically a starving man who picks some carrots from a farmers garden to eat is a criminal as well.

And I am a die hard republican who believes in following the rules or working to change them, not just disregarding what you donít like or doing what suits you. Itís just refreshing to see these hardworking amiable people who are grateful to be here and take nothing for granted so Iíve soften to them- even if some of them are technically criminals.

I wasnít shedding a lot of tears over sob stories about families being separated/detained because itís the risk you take when you break the law. So I get it and I agree with you- just wish we had more native born citizens with the characteristics Iíve observed in my immigrant tenants.

We make things too hard on many good people just wanting a better life (who happen not to have been born here) and we make things too easy on many who are happy to live off the taxpayer and who have squandered the opportunities this country has to offer - just because they were born here. --216.186.xxx.xx




Moratorium extension (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2021 6:30 PM
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Lisa, I agree with you that this country should make it easier for good, hardworking immigrants to come here, instead of making it easier for all of those that are here illegally to stay. --74.74.xxx.xx



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