utility customer (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 13, 2021 12:03 PM|
utility customer (by Richard [MI]) Jan 13, 2021 12:21 PM
utility customer (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 13, 2021 12:42 PM
utility customer (by Rangor [TN]) Jan 13, 2021 12:46 PM
utility customer (by Shaun [FL]) Jan 13, 2021 2:23 PM
utility customer (by PG [SC]) Jan 13, 2021 6:04 PM
utility customer (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 13, 2021 6:34 PM
utility customer (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 13, 2021 6:37 PM
utility customer (by Jkj [MA]) Jan 13, 2021 7:12 PM
utility customer (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 13, 2021 8:09 PM
utility customer (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 13, 2021 8:17 PM
utility customer (by Doris [OH]) Jan 13, 2021 8:49 PM
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utility customer (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:03 PM
Shut off notice for electric on the door at the apartment where I am evicting tenants. Last time I saw one it was one page. This was three pages. I don't remember if this clause has always been in or if it's something new.
"All adult occupants of the premises whose names are on the mortgage, deed, or lease are considered the 'customer' and are responsible for payment of this bill."
I know for a fact that tenants of mine have left owing big sums but it has never come back to me. I know that my lease says something to the effect of tenants will show proof of final utility payments within xx days or I can deduct something (not even sure what that clause actually says) from security deposit.... wondering if this is why. --72.70.xxx.xxx
utility customer (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:21 PM
Are you saying that the owner of the property is ultimately responsible for the utility bills of the tenant?
Here, some of the water/sewer companies try this. Some get away with it.
In Michigan, they had this problem back in the 1930's and the state finally passed a bill saying landlords were NOT responsible IF the landlord notified the water/sewer supplier PRIOR to the bill being filed. So a smart landlord has the proper paperwork done and filed with any supplier BEFORE the bill starts adding up.
It's only inevitible, I think,until all utility companies try this.
I think that in the near future, landlords will require a bond of some type from tenants to guarantee payment of utilities.
I also think that a bond (performance bond) should be required to guarantee all rent and damages. --75.7.xx.xx
utility customer (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:42 PM
That's what it sounds like to me but I've never heard of that ... perhaps it's buried in the law but never/seldom utilized? I know for many years, they would never shut off your heat in the winter time but apparently that has changed.
Here, lienable utilities (sewer/trash/some places water) are always owed by the property owner because, naturally, they will lien your property if not paid. Gas, electric and some water, has always been the responsibility of the individual who has service in their name.
Not good if ultimately the property owner is responsibility for every day utilities when they aren't expecting that. --72.70.xxx.xxx
utility customer (by Rangor [TN]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:46 PM
Because it says "occupants" it makes me think that it is just a form designed to cover all situations. --64.252.xx.xx
utility customer (by Shaun [FL]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 2:23 PM
Not only does it state "occupants" it also refers to, "or lease are considered..."
I think it is a notice that is written to cover all possibilities. --205.223.xxx.xx
utility customer (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 6:04 PM
I am not sure what PA power companies have, but in SC - Dominion Energy - you can set up a LL/Tenant agreement for rentals.
When the tenant puts the power,electric and gas,in their name the tenant is responsible from that day until cancellation by the tenant. If the tenant leaves with unpaid power bills the LL is Not liable.
Not sure what would happen to unpaid power bills if I did not have the LL/Tenant agreement. I have always used it.
utility customer (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 6:34 PM
Key words to me would be "...All adult occupants of the premises...
That tells me that it is not for the LL to pay but for the "occupants only".
I like to keep things like this on file so that in the future I can compare if there are changes such as you mentioned. --73.120.xx.xxx
utility customer (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 6:37 PM
Also, if you hold onto this and they try to collect from you then, you can show them this clause thus using there own words against them. --73.120.xx.xxx
utility customer (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 7:12 PM
I believe this was written to cover both renters, and owners in 1 statement. The mortgage and deed part would apply if power was turned off to a owner occupied unit. In order for the utility company to hold anyone other than the person/s whose name the utilities are under to be responsible there would need to be a state law. If youíre worried about it check your state law, (a quick google search showed me PA does not allow it for electric) or call the PUC (public utility commission) and ask them if they allow that. PUC PA 1-800-692-7380 --173.48.xxx.xxx
utility customer (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 8:09 PM
If it is a lienable utility the owner is on the hook. Out in the western part of the state First energy is the primary provider with lots of smaller Co-ops
More out towards the eastern part the state, I am told that some municipality own the power company making it lienable.
What is the power company out your way?
With the use of OR instead of AND, I believe your power provider is a public utility and not a municipality. It is sad that they are getting beat up so bad......cause in the end, the responsible customers get the raw end of the deal. Please think hard about that statement - and think what that means to your responsible tenants TODAY. If you are angry, they are too --24.101.xxx.xx
utility customer (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 8:17 PM
This is definitely a public utility following PUC guidelines/regulations/whatever they are.
I haven't pulled one of these off the door for many years so I'm not sure if that's new or has always been there.
Now that I reread it after some of the above comments, the 'all adult occupants' puts it into perspective. My mind went immediately to the 'deed'. I'm guessing now it's so when husband Bob doesn't pay, wife Mary can't get it turned back on. Perhaps at some point I'll start to pay attention to detail !! --72.70.xxx.xxx
utility customer (by Doris [OH]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 8:49 PM
A couple of years ago we had a tenant who was past due on an electric bill. Our electric provider sent us a letter that made it sound like landlord would be responsible if the tenant didnít pay, but when I called them about it they said no we are not responsible. Tenant ended up paying so it never went any further. --184.59.xxx.xx
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