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Internet a utility? (by Rangor [TN]) Jan 13, 2021 11:07 AM
       Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Jan 13, 2021 11:09 AM
       Internet a utility? (by Tonia [RI]) Jan 13, 2021 11:15 AM
       Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Jan 13, 2021 11:16 AM
       Internet a utility? (by RR78 [VA]) Jan 13, 2021 11:28 AM
       Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Jan 13, 2021 11:41 AM
       Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Jan 13, 2021 11:56 AM
       Internet a utility? (by plenty [MO]) Jan 13, 2021 12:00 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 13, 2021 12:06 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Allym [NJ]) Jan 13, 2021 12:24 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Wmh [NC]) Jan 13, 2021 12:37 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Ken [NY]) Jan 13, 2021 1:09 PM
       Internet a utility? (by #22 [MO]) Jan 13, 2021 1:22 PM
       Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Jan 13, 2021 2:54 PM
       Internet a utility? (by DJ [VA]) Jan 13, 2021 3:01 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jan 13, 2021 3:12 PM
       Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Jan 13, 2021 4:18 PM
       Internet a utility? (by LisaFL [FL]) Jan 13, 2021 4:19 PM
       Internet a utility? (by #22 [MO]) Jan 13, 2021 5:00 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Pmh [TX]) Jan 13, 2021 5:21 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Pmh [TX]) Jan 13, 2021 5:43 PM
       Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Jan 13, 2021 5:58 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Hammer [TN]) Jan 13, 2021 6:45 PM
       Internet a utility? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 13, 2021 8:02 PM
       Internet a utility? (by ned [AL]) Jan 13, 2021 8:53 PM
       Internet a utility? (by don [PA]) Jan 14, 2021 2:48 AM
       Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Jan 14, 2021 7:01 AM
       Internet a utility? (by Patrick [VA]) Jan 14, 2021 7:03 AM
       Internet a utility? (by Patrick [VA]) Jan 14, 2021 7:11 AM
       Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Jan 14, 2021 10:10 AM
       Internet a utility? (by Allym [NJ]) Jan 14, 2021 10:43 AM
       Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Jan 14, 2021 10:52 AM

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Internet a utility? (by Rangor [TN]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:07 AM
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Not sure the legality of this but was just informed that the 7 year old classmate of one of my friends has not been on his online classes the last few days. When the teacher said that they had missed him he said his family was behind on rent and the landlord changed the internet password. I have no idea what type of housing situation this is but am curious what your thoughts are on the legality of this? Is internet these days considered a utility like water and power? The more I see how some landlords operate the better I feel about how I operate. --64.252.xx.xx




Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:09 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's NOT a utility. Not knowing the back story, don't know what to think.

I'm guessing a frustrated landlord who can't shut off water or power, but CAN control internet. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Tonia [RI]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:15 AM
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I would consider it an amenity, not a required utility. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:16 AM
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Legal or not. Turn it back on. Don't be the evil LL. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:28 AM
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I was reading something last month. And was surprised to see it was now considered a essential service. Even the government is trying to pay for it.

one quote " Emergency Broadband Benefit Program in this bill requires Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to offer free broadband service for COVID-19 impacted people, with the government compensating the ISPs at a set rate. "

--75.182.xx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:41 AM
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MYOB, although I at first agreed that it was crappy thing to do to a kid, we have no idea of the actual circumstances here. The parents could well be working full-time and still not paying rent, for instance. We just don't know enough to pass judgment on either party. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 11:56 AM
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"his family was behind on rent and the landlord changed the internet password"

WMH -- I stand by my reaction to this.

It's never about hurting kids!!! --99.103.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:00 PM
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Maybe they didn't pay their electric bill as three fingers are pointing at them. --172.58.xx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:06 PM
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I don't control any passwords for any of my tenants so in this situation, the internet is set up differently that I know.

I do know that the working poor can get free or greatly reduced cable here - not sure the ins and outs of how that works. --72.70.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:24 PM
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taxpayers in NJ and cell phone users and internet users in NJ have been paying govt. surcharges for connectivity for all for many years. It's usually a buck or two. Very annoying. All seem to have a cellphone and some are very large and fancy. Saw a guy at the foot doctor office who had one so new it was not available to others yet. He made sure the whole waiting room knew that. --71.104.xx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Wmh [NC]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 12:37 PM
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That's what they told the kid. We don't really know what's going on. --174.226.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 1:09 PM
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Exactly what WMH said,who is going to tell there kid they spent the internet money on beer and cigarettes.I would turn it off if i controlled it and the rent isnt paid. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 1:22 PM
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Gosh, I feel like this place is turning into, in some ways, a bunch of landlord apologists. When will people in society have to accept that there are consequences for their actions? There's more work available than ever. I have to watch what I say around my help, because if they realized this, they'd say - hey, #22, costs are going up and you can't find someone not on drugs to do the work we do, so we need a 30% raise. And I'd probably have to give it to them... it sounds like priorities in their household were consumption over paying obligations. It's a sad example to set for the child, it's not their fault their parents are the way they are. In fact, he's bound to repeat their faults. I always feel sad for children whose parents set them up to not succeed. --23.126.xx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 2:54 PM
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In my world we don't punish kids for the parents behavior. Never have never will.

Don't justify your thinking on this. The kid announced my LL turned off the Internet so I can't do my lessons-- is that really the LL message you want in town? --99.103.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 3:01 PM
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myob - like a seven year old really knows what's going on?

I totally agree with WMH and #22. For whatever it's worth. --68.229.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 3:12 PM
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Kid could hang out at library and use that internet, or any local coffee shop or other place where hotspots are available. It's a parent issue, not a landlord issue.

Yes, technically phone and internet and cable are considered utilities since they're fed to the house from a common connection like gas/electric. However they are not critical.

If tenant isn't paying anything, why would landlord provide additional free services? --108.69.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 4:18 PM
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So you have never evicted a family with children, back when we could evict people, MYOB?

Which is worse - kicking a kid out of their home or off the internet? --50.82.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 4:19 PM
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Maybe the landlord couldn’t afford to provide internet anymore since they’re not being paid rent. Are we expected to provide groceries next? --216.186.xxx.xx




Internet a utility? (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 5:00 PM
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Its a parenting issue. Is the child at home, by themselves why their parents are working? Is that why they need it?

When our washer broke when we were poor, my mom hand washed clothes in the kitchen sink. She didn't blame it on the maytag man and send us to school w dirty clothes...

Somehow, there's less and less accountability every day in this country.... --174.234.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 5:21 PM
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internet is considered a utility by renters. --107.77.xxx.xx




Internet a utility? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 5:43 PM
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many Luddites here.... --107.77.xxx.xx




Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 5:58 PM
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you have no legal right to turn off services in the contract until your day in court.

This is considered retaliatory eviction.

Yes I've evicted many many tenants-- but know better then to start turning off services supplied.

So butter any way you like. The toast is burnt already. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Hammer [TN]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 6:45 PM
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It all depends on what is in the lease agreement. IF the LL CONTRACTED to provide internet, then he is obligated to provide it until the eviction. Not morally perhaps, but legally.

Another angle to consider, is he LEGALLY sharing internet? Is it legal to run a wifi booster from your home internet and broadcast to a whole neighborhood? Or do you need to pay for a commercial internet account to be able to become an "internet broadcast provider" for your Tenants ? --68.202.x.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 8:02 PM
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Well technically - I suppose the internet wasn't turned off.....the access to it was denied.

Punishing a kid - because mom and dad are idiots sinks that LL down to below the level the gvt is using. Yes the child could contact the school district - but in the end with that solution it ends up being the property owner who bails out the kid.

If this is indeed LT issue, this item would have to be listed as a service provided by the LL in the contract - it is a breach of the contract. If a service is a utility or not doesn't matter if it was promised.

--24.101.xxx.xx




Internet a utility? (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2021 8:53 PM
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Kinda hypocritical to think kickin them out of their home ok...kickin em off the internet- not.

MYOB- you made an ethical argument against kickin' em off internet... then when questioned about ethics of eviction you bring up legal argument not to kick 'em off the internet.

As a reminder, what's legal may not always be right.

What's right may not always be legal. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 2:48 AM
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RayHe is not punishing the kid by not giving free internet, he is just not helping him. In our society now it seems that not giving something to someone for free is considered to be punishing them. --73.141.xxx.xx




Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:01 AM
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Ned--- that's why it's wrong in many ways.

In 1946 the Supreme's made this call about private businesses. Today this has more meaning then you know.

I'll use the example as was heard with my own ears.

When as a private business or person you build a bridge to your place. People start using that bridge. YOU CAN'T ARBITRILY close the bridge once people get use to using it.

This equates to squatters rights but for access. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Patrick [VA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:03 AM
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I fully support the Landlord on this. It is bad enough when tenants dont pay their rent for 6 months and then get an extension that prevents the landlord from evicting them. Now we want to demand that the LL provide internet to.

Well if you support this, shouldnt all the tax payers be obligated to providing the homeless with free internet as well? Why should the 7yo children of homeless suffer?

!!!Newsflash!!! Many (if not most) children suffer for the sins of their parents. Society is not obligated to make it all better. If they were, where would it end? --108.39.xx.xx




Internet a utility? (by Patrick [VA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 7:11 AM
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> When as a private business or person you build a bridge

> to your place. People start using that bridge. YOU CAN'T

> ARBITRILY close the bridge once people get use to using

> it.

> This equates to squatters rights but for access.

When the person pays rent, it pays for access. When they fail to pay rent, they quit paying for access.

It is reprehensible to me that the govt expects private citizens to house people on their dime. If the govt wants people housed with out paying, then the govt should pay the rent for them.

Tell me, how is this any different than the king expecting the people to provide housing for the kings soldiers during the 1700s? --108.39.xx.xx




Internet a utility? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 10:10 AM
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Patrick I am in 150% agreement with you.

Since we know we can' take things like this into our own hands (storm the legal system) it requires a court to decide. That's the big problem since the courts are in bed with SYSTEM they help create.

Yes the 5th and 14 amendment--- taking of property with no compensation. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 10:43 AM
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Par ler was removed by Amazon. They have a court case and dont have the money to rebuild from scratch elsewhere. Ama zon has to be convinced to give them their site back. I have no Amazon accounts. Had a bad feeling about them. Please do not use Ama zon products or systems and ask others. This is the only way we can prevail. --71.104.xx.xxx




Internet a utility? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2021 10:52 AM
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I love Amazon and buy everything there. So I also help keep UPS in business too.

Par ler people have threatened Amazon's drivers with death. The lawsuit filed by P's CEO is being met with proof of violent, serious threats not just against the COMPANY but the PEOPLE who work there.

The company has been logging threats to their employees and facilities since November. --50.82.xxx.xxx



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