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State Energy Program (by del [MD]) Jan 11, 2021 11:11 AM
       State Energy Program (by myob [GA]) Jan 11, 2021 11:19 AM
       State Energy Program (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 11, 2021 11:32 AM
       State Energy Program (by Allym [NJ]) Jan 11, 2021 11:47 AM
       State Energy Program (by myob [GA]) Jan 11, 2021 12:00 PM
       State Energy Program (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 11, 2021 3:08 PM
       State Energy Program (by del [MD]) Jan 11, 2021 7:44 PM
       State Energy Program (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 12, 2021 5:20 AM
       State Energy Program (by Steve [MA]) Jan 12, 2021 5:51 AM
       State Energy Program (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 12, 2021 7:56 AM
       State Energy Program (by Nhsailmaker [NH]) Jan 12, 2021 8:51 AM

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State Energy Program (by del [MD]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 11:11 AM

My low income tenant contacted me about a state energy reduction plan. A state approved contractor will come in and insulate and weatherstrip at no cost to me. I decided to give the program a try. MISTAKE The contractors replaced the 10 year smoke alarms with new ones. Two months later, the smoke alarms are giving the end of life chirp and need replacement. Upon checking, the rocket scientists installed two 120 volt hardwire smoke alarms with battery backup. The rental is older and has no wiring for smoke alarms. The backup battery only lasted 2 months, since it is not designed as a primary power source. The company will be getting a call from me.

Based on this, I would stay away from these companies. The workers were Home Depot Parking Lot grade. I am alive because of a smoke alarm and think this is inexcusable. Never again.

State Energy Program (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 11:19 AM

Nothing is ever free is it?

State Energy Program (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 11:32 AM

Always read the fine print.

However, what else did they do that may have helped you?

Maybe consider having a hardwire ran for those detectors.

I have them in my rental.

State Energy Program (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 11:47 AM

my source says insurrection act signed last night at 6:30. Pelosi's computer is with navy or marines. She was tryng to get nuclear codes. Vatican computers used to hack election. Pres may use emergency communication system to speak. Phones may be out except for emergency for a week. No internet too. Reagan Natl airport was shut down for a time. Watching for people responsible for this tryng to leave country at borders. Navy and marines were never banned from insurrection act so they are the cops now. I am not sure of all this. contact is military spouse. Hang on. Nex1 vP may be Flynn.

State Energy Program (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 12:00 PM

Allym you threw this in the mix. I'm pulling out the bible to see where it fits in.

You really have good information in NJ...

State Energy Program (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 3:08 PM

Wired smoke alarms with battery back up do not draw a lot of current. In the apartment buildings used only wired smoke alarms with battery back up where found tenants less to tamper with. When the battery is weak the smoke alarm will chirp. Smoke alarms like anything else is there are a lot of low quality smoke alarms out there where it is always best to avoid what is sold at the big box stores then buy from a electrical contractor store where the price is higher along with the quality is better as contractors do not want call backs. Contact the manufacturer of the smoke alarms then see if the manufacturer will send new smoke alarms under warranty. While new smoke alarms unlikely to make the rental more efficient safety will improved. Here the energy programs use fiberglass insulation which is the worst insulation out there where fiberglass insulation has the lowest price along after a while there are air pockets where the insulation R value is reduced. Either spray foam or Rock wool is better option where over time the R value remains constant. Here the government energy programs will change the property taxes will increase where it is better DIY then keep the property value higher without increasing the property taxes. For safety install Uponor pex sprinkler system is better option as the fire will likely be put out which is better then a smoke alarm.

State Energy Program (by del [MD]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2021 7:44 PM

6 x 6 TN - The company did replace some weather strips and blew extra insulation into the attic, so, not all bad. I talked to the head guy and he said installing 120 volt fire/CO alarms without 120 volt wiring is OK. I disagree with him.

I was concerned about legal liability if we had a fire and someone was killed or injured due to lack of a functioning alarm.

My guess is they have cases of one type of alarm and use them for every application, correct or not.

State Energy Program (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2021 5:20 AM

Using a combination smoke, Co alarm is better if there is a natural gas boiler, furnace, water heater or gas stove. If everything is electric then a smoke alarm only. Powered smoke alarm or combination smoke, Co alarms are safer as the battery does not drain only when there is power failure. The alarm will chirp when the battery is weak. Found the 10 year battery alarms not to last ten years where after 5 to 7 years the alarm fails. The best insulation is spray foam or solid insulation board that is taped air tight where fiberglass and blown insulation have air movement. Rock wool is double the cost of fiberglass where does not deteriorate like fiberglass insulation. If a building was super insulated then there would be no heat loss or heat gain where the building would be net zero where a heating or cooling would not be required. As insulation is increased then the life expectancy of the HVAC system becomes longer as the system operates less. Here new construction R 50 is the norm for ceiling and R 20 to R 30 is the norm for walls.

State Energy Program (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2021 5:51 AM

I've been involved in numerous energy conservation programs sponsored by a consortium of local energy providers for some of my own properties as well as for my client's. I don't recall any of them touching either the SDs or the COs. Mostly they offered insulation upgrades, wrapping of WHs, water flow restrictors, fluorescent & now LED bulbs, set back T stats, air sealing, heating system control modifications and my personal favorite rebates for HVAC equipment. Everyone of these that I was involved with required an on site inspection / energy audit first followed by the property owners approval before any changes could be made.

I would be inclined to talk with my local fire department's safety officer, local wiring inspector or if you have one my alarm company to get their take on this.

State Energy Program (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2021 7:56 AM

I am scratching my head about this.

Replace an old frig - sure.

Replace windows - absolutely

Install programmable thermostat - maybe

These all can save energy

Replacing smoke detectors didn't ever occur to me as an energy hog.....and if it is chirping that tells me these battery style. If they were also hardwired in - perhaps they flipped that breaker off on the safety device to also save energy

State Energy Program (by Nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2021 8:51 AM

I was a Director at a CAP program that ran that program here in NH

It is a HEALTH AND SAFETY is a mandatory aspect of any program funded by the FEDS

Bath Fans should have been replaced if they didnt get proper air changes

If you had a problem you need to call your State Weatherization director

Your project should have been tested in and tested out and then inspected by 3rd Party - That is mandatory also --73.61.xx.xx

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