Creative Eviction
Click here for Top Ten Discussions. CLICK HERE for Q & A Homepage
Receive Free Rental Owner Updates Email:  
MrLandlord Q & A
     
     
Creative Eviction (by Johnny B. [MA]) Dec 22, 2020 2:04 PM
       Creative Eviction (by myob [GA]) Dec 22, 2020 2:10 PM
       Creative Eviction (by LisaFL [FL]) Dec 22, 2020 2:17 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Ken [NY]) Dec 22, 2020 2:17 PM
       Creative Eviction (by S i d [MO]) Dec 22, 2020 3:03 PM
       Creative Eviction (by WL [CA]) Dec 22, 2020 3:09 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Steve [MA]) Dec 22, 2020 4:05 PM
       Creative Eviction (by myob [GA]) Dec 22, 2020 4:41 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Dec 22, 2020 4:55 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Nicole [PA]) Dec 22, 2020 4:58 PM
       Creative Eviction (by George [NJ]) Dec 22, 2020 6:06 PM
       Creative Eviction (by ned [AL]) Dec 22, 2020 9:31 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Vee [OH]) Dec 22, 2020 10:05 PM
       Creative Eviction (by W [CA]) Dec 22, 2020 11:08 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Dec 22, 2020 11:25 PM
       Creative Eviction (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Dec 23, 2020 1:42 AM
       Creative Eviction (by W [CA]) Dec 23, 2020 1:45 AM
       Creative Eviction (by Johnny B. [MA]) Dec 23, 2020 5:26 AM
       Creative Eviction (by Lynn [MA]) Dec 23, 2020 8:07 AM
       Creative Eviction (by W [CA]) Dec 23, 2020 9:36 AM
       Creative Eviction (by Dee Ann [WI]) Dec 23, 2020 1:58 PM
       Creative Eviction (by BJ [SC]) Feb 8, 2021 10:33 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Robin [WI]) Feb 9, 2021 7:00 PM
       Creative Eviction (by BJ [SC]) Feb 11, 2021 10:36 PM
       Creative Eviction (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 14, 2021 10:48 AM
       Creative Eviction (by mnrk [NV]) Feb 19, 2021 10:47 PM
       Creative Eviction (by Johnny B. [MA]) Feb 20, 2021 7:07 AM

Click here to reply to this discussion.
Click Here to send this discussion to a friend

Creative Eviction (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 2:04 PM
Message:

Thankfully Iím not in this position, but lately Iíve been thinking of creative ways to get rid of people if need be. What do you think of this possibility ó assuming tenant is on a month to month rental agreement and stop paying rent. You issue them a 30 day notice to terminate the rental agreement (in Mass this is the process and I assume there is a similar process in other states). The 30 day notice doesnít have anything to do with the fact that they stopped paying but is just the process to terminate the rental agreement, which we can do in Mass with 30 day notice (one full rental period). The tenant wonít likely leave after the 30 days, but now they have no valid rental agreement. Now you write a new rental agreement for a new Ďtenantí (friend of yours thatís aware of the situation), give them keys, and they legally move in with the goal of making the tenant miserable until they leave. Would this approach be legal? --73.186.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 2:10 PM
Message:

do you have any concept of what's legal?

Ok you give them notice that's only notice that the lease/m2m is over. So when they don't leave you file with the court for holding over. 30 or 50 days later you go to court to get them out. Now it takes another 30 to 60 days for the sheriff to do his duty.

Do you think your moving someone in while the other tenant is still in there? Cause that's what it sounds like to me.

Creative-- no disaster!!!!!!

Cash for keys. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 2:17 PM
Message:

The moratorium is only for non payment of rent due to Covid. In my state you can still evict for holdover tenants (those who refuse to move when their lease has ended).

Canít you just give them notice and then file for eviction when they donít move? That would be the proper way to proceed. --75.89.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 2:17 PM
Message:

when someone gets shot you will be responsible --72.231.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 3:03 PM
Message:

I appreciate creativity, but this sounds like a disaster. With a hold over tenant, they still legally have possession of the premises, the tenancy is still held until terminated by force of law or voluntary consent, and therefore self-help eviction is not allowed, nor is violating the implied warranty of Quiet Enjoyment (i.e. non-interference by LL).

Take the easy, legal route. Non-renew and evict as a hold over. --107.216.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 3:09 PM
Message:

This approach would only work if the 3rd person was added to the rental agreement at the beginning at the same time as the new tenants sign off on it. As I suggested on other posts, due to the risk of new moratoriums, you add your "Crazy Uncle Eddy" as a co-tenant on the rental agreement. All Ts sign. When the tenants stop paying due to a new moratorium, your "Crazy Eddy" uncle moves in which he has a right to do as a co-tenant. Then he invites his buddies in the Hells Angels to party with him . . . which as a co-tenant he has a right to do. Deadbeats likely then move out. This approach would only work since Eddy has a right of possession and right to enter his own apartment that he shares with the deadbeat tenants. Adding him on later without the Ts consent would likely open a big can of worms. --152.89.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 4:05 PM
Message:

I don't think that would pass muster with Judge Sullivan. --71.174.xxx.xx




Creative Eviction (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 4:41 PM
Message:

Ken good one... --99.103.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 4:55 PM
Message:

So why is it that this tenant's car is the only one broken into on a regular basis?

What about that approach if you're dipping your big toe into legally murky waters? --108.69.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 4:58 PM
Message:

Even though your tenants wouldn't have a legal rental agreement, you also don't have legal possession until the tenant or a court gives it to you. Possession is the key here.

I've seen it suggested on here previously about having other folks move in ... I always assumed it was tongue in cheek ... can't imagine anyone would actually think that's okay.

I am probably much older than you are but I don't have any "friends" (nor did I when I was younger) who would participate in this. Why in the world do you think someone would insert themselves into the middle of your business mess ... "friend" or not. --72.70.xxx.xx




Creative Eviction (by George [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 6:06 PM
Message:

"Why in the world do you think someone would insert themselves into the middle of your business mess ... "friend" or not."~ Nicole-PA

Not that I've tried it but $$ & a bit of crazy would motivate plenty of people to do this for you, I know a couple of guys who would do it gleefully. With all that we know of our tenants info, a "friend" surely could pass off a story that they are a paying roomate of the deadbeat tenant, even with a paid rent receipt from tenant... Remember it's a civil matter. --184.102.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 9:31 PM
Message:

In theory, I like the idea of adding "crazy eddie" to the lease at the front end of a new lease signing as means of protection.

That being said, I can't imagine reasonable tenants being accepting of this.

Maybe a few of my desparate tenants in very low end places.

And yes, I prolly know a guy or two who would do this for me. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 10:05 PM
Message:

With -holdover- rent double it should be an incentive to leave, but there are always the type of person to stretch limits. --23.125.xxx.xx




Creative Eviction (by W [CA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 11:08 PM
Message:

Depends on your location. In areas with shortages of rentals due to rent control, you could probably insist on having your "Uncle Eddie" on the rental agreement as he is traveling abroad and needs a room when he gets back. When the moratorium / rent control hits, Crazy Uncle Eddie is back along with his biker buddies, ready to party til the place is vacant! Then Eddie gets his $1000 bonus for encouraging deadbeats to move to some other LLs rental, maybe yours! --152.89.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Dec 22, 2020 11:25 PM
Message:

How do you contact Crazy Eddie?

Does one call

1(800) CRAZY-ED --24.101.xxx.xx




Creative Eviction (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Dec 23, 2020 1:42 AM
Message:

JB,

I like your creativity! Keep exploring!

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by W [CA]) Posted on: Dec 23, 2020 1:45 AM
Message:

You don't have any PITA relatives (mother in law, Crazy uncles, fat smelly ex-wives) you could move in? Usually everyone has a Crazy Eddie in the family that they don't want around and who mooches money - just the type you need to move in with the deadbeats! --152.89.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Dec 23, 2020 5:26 AM
Message:

Maybe I need to add an uncle Eddie clause to my rental agreement! --73.186.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: Dec 23, 2020 8:07 AM
Message:

Johnny don't forget that if they don't leave voluntarily, you have to go through the eviction process. My current case is for termination of lease that ended March 31 and I have to wait a few more weeks for hearing with a judge. --66.30.xx.xx




Creative Eviction (by W [CA]) Posted on: Dec 23, 2020 9:36 AM
Message:

Offhand, seems to me that there is no "Crazy Eddie" clause. The way this would work is he has to be listed as a co-tenant on the rental agreement and sign the rental agreement as a tenant with the others - he just doesn't move in since he is "travelling abroad" but may need a place to stay when he gets back. When the rent moratorium hits, and the Ts refuse to pay their rent, then the time has arrived for Crazy Eddie to move in with his buddies and his drumming equipment for all day practice . . . Probably a good idea if Eddy is big and mean since the Ts are not going to like being "encouraged" to move out by Crazy Eddie and his buddies. Then when the apartment is empty of deadbeats, a big gift would be appropriate for the biker crew . . . --152.89.xxx.xxx




Creative Eviction (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Dec 23, 2020 1:58 PM
Message:

Great new business idea Ray...

back in the (decades) day, if the deadbeat was living in a duplex, the landlord and the loudest, rowdiest of his friends would party in the other unit until to get the deadbeat to move.

--75.11.xx.xx




Creative Eviction (by BJ [SC]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2021 10:33 PM
Message:

Desperately seeking creative eviction ideas. We have a deadbeat, holding over tenant with thousands in the bank from with holding rent. Never lost q job.Tenant signed a CDC Rent Moratorium Affidavit for which she does not meet the criteria. An Eviction filed in early January for damage to property and numerous lease violations is not getting processed A complaint to collect a judgement for what is owed is not getting processed either.

This house is on a busy street. What about installing a driveway alarm (or 3) set up to go off whenever a car drives by the house? Locate receiver in the crawl space. If we can find some dead batteries, smoke alarms could work as well.

What methods do others use please??? It makes no sense not to be able to get someone out after months of taking advantage. What am I missing here? --71.12.x.xx




Creative Eviction (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2021 7:00 PM
Message:

We had a discussion about this a couple of months ago. Do a search for "crickets." --104.230.xxx.xx




Creative Eviction (by BJ [SC]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2021 10:36 PM
Message:

Thank you Robin! I'll check for crickets. --71.12.x.xx




Creative Eviction (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 14, 2021 10:48 AM
Message:

I think I would be more inclined to go the passive aggressive route. There are a lot of things that could render a unit ď uninhabitable ď. In the event that happens, the lease is terminated. Tenants are required to have renters insurance that covers their relocation expenses and alternate accommodations and move their possessions . --75.133.xxx.xx




Creative Eviction (by mnrk [NV]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2021 10:47 PM
Message:

well my lessor claimed my place as abandoned while i was in the hospital for three weeks with covid. when released from care i was homeless and lost all possessions for when i filed a declaratory statement they responded on the deadline date to claim my possessions. by the time i saw the overdue email it was to late. fell in a loophole and homeless.

completely heartless but you wanted creative. --68.104.xx.xx




Creative Eviction (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Feb 20, 2021 7:07 AM
Message:

mnrk[NV] - would it have been less ďheartlessĒ for you to continue to steal from your lessor by not paying the rent? Take some responsibility for yourself. Youíre lessor is not a parent or a charity and has no interest in housing you for free. --73.186.xxx.xxx



Click Here to send this discussion to a friend
Report discussion to Webmaster


Reply:
Subject: RE: Creative Eviction
Your Name:
Your State:

Message:
Creative Eviction
Would you like to be notified via email when somebody replies to this thread?
If so, you must include your valid email address here. Do not add your address more than once per thread/subject. By entering your email address here, you agree to receive notification from Mrlandlord.com every time anyone replies to "this" thread. You will receive response notifications for up to one week following the original post. Your email address will not be visible to readers.
Email Address: