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Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Nov 21, 2020 9:12 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 21, 2020 9:16 PM
       Cancel CC? (by JAC [OH]) Nov 21, 2020 9:36 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 21, 2020 10:22 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Deanna [TX]) Nov 21, 2020 11:09 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Nov 21, 2020 11:21 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Jim in O C [CA]) Nov 21, 2020 11:52 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Bill [KY]) Nov 22, 2020 7:41 AM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 22, 2020 12:44 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Deanna [TX]) Nov 22, 2020 3:42 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Nov 23, 2020 8:17 AM
       Cancel CC? (by Deanna [TX]) Nov 23, 2020 8:46 AM
       Cancel CC? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Nov 23, 2020 3:23 PM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 23, 2020 3:52 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 23, 2020 6:24 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 23, 2020 6:27 PM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 24, 2020 4:43 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 24, 2020 5:04 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 24, 2020 5:11 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 24, 2020 5:39 PM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 24, 2020 7:11 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Nov 25, 2020 1:11 PM
       Cancel CC? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Nov 25, 2020 11:35 PM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 26, 2020 8:37 AM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 26, 2020 8:47 AM
       Cancel CC? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Nov 26, 2020 1:33 PM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 26, 2020 2:40 PM
       Cancel CC? (by pmh [TX]) Nov 28, 2020 1:26 PM
       Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Nov 28, 2020 6:49 PM

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Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 9:12 PM
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Hello all good landlords.

Years back I bought a shack with a credit card. I've done this numerous times and refinanced after seasoning. This particular shack set me back $35,000.

At the time the credit card had a 38,000 limit. I let the credit card be the mortgage.

Worked out very well.

I still have the credit card but don't use it. My credit is good.

However over the years the card limit is being reduced. I just opened the statement and they have assessed a $95 annual fee.

I noticed the credit line is now only $7,500. Paying $95 to have access to $7,500?

Seems ill advised to cancel a long time credit card but what is the point?

Should I send this card out to pasture?

--108.28.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 9:16 PM
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Or you could ask for a credit limit increase.

FYI: Once you go higher than 50% of the credit limit on a credit card and leave a balance carry over greater than that 50% mark, your credit score allegedly takes a small hit for over utilization --24.101.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 9:36 PM
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There are hundreds of credit cards with no fees and probably higher limits. Don't be afraid to break up. --50.5.xxx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 10:22 PM
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I have several credit cards with an annual fee. For this fee I get curtain perks. Such as:

a) extends warranty coverage on major appliances --

b) Easy to put in a claim

c) Lower interest rates

d) When I travel I can use the credit card to get emergency money at a minimum fee, limited to a $10 fee.

These credit cards with annual fees have a credit limit minimum of $35,000 minimum and some have a $100,000 limit.

Due to bank lending and losses, banks are trying to reduce their liability on curtain higher rate cards..... --47.155.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 11:09 PM
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Does that annual fee get you something valuable? Like, an annual complimentary hotel stay? Or access to a particular set of perks at the airport?

Otherwise, the only time I've ever paid a fee for a card is when I was trying to build independent credit history. I'd always been an authorized user on DH's cards, but didn't realize I wasn't developing my own independent credit history. It was also when the CARD Act first came out, and before it was toggled to be friendlier to SAH's. If anything happened to him or us, I didn't want to be in need of credit and not be able to get it-- so I spent a few years with a $39/year Capital One Quicksilver, then upgraded it to the free version, and used the good history with that to get an assortment of other starter cards. Then I used those to get some better ones--- but not such good ones that I'm expected to pay triple or quadruple digits/year for the privilege of carrying one. :P

No black cards in my wallet. ;)

Ultimately, a credit card is a tool. Whether it's to build credit score, or build credit history, or just to buy stuff... if its costs aren't proportionate to its rewards, then it's okay to let it go. You'll lose access to the amount of money reporting in to your available credit, and you'll eventually lose the years contributing towards your credit history--- if you've had it for 10 years, it will fall off in another 10 years, so you'll lose a 20-year card--- but why pay another $950 over the next ten years to keep a card that no longer functions in the way you expect to use it? --137.118.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 11:21 PM
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Hmmm, I never thought to ask whether there were some perks I was missing.

I'll have a conversation with the card, I'm ready to bid it fare well. I have had it for a long time - In certain circles that fact may make me out to be a fool.

I bet they wave the fee, however I'm still thinking $7,500 is really not worth the bother.

--108.28.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2020 11:52 PM
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Use the old ď Iím a long-term customer, do you really want to charge me up annual fee?Ē The Last two times the bank waive the fee. My problem is I pay the card off every month so they donít get to charge interest but they still like the possibility I might not pay it off fully one month. --99.23.xxx.x




Cancel CC? (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2020 7:41 AM
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Robert, can you share which CC provides appliance warranties? Thatís interesting. Thx --50.96.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2020 12:44 PM
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Almost no card issues will waive an annual fee any more -- even for long-term customers. As a guy that deals with a lot of credit cards (and have flown free probably 25 times in the past 7 years because of it), way too much of the system is automated now and customer service reps have very little power to waive annual fees. There may be exceptions for smaller, local-bank cards. But anything worth doing from Chase and the bigger boys are no longer waiving fees in most cases.

Exactly which card is it, Smoke? Let us know and I can tell you if it is worth holding onto or not.

Also, I can tell you if it might have a non-annual-fee equivalent that they will let you switch it to without closing the account. That saves the (fairly minor) hit on your credit score also.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Cancel CC? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2020 3:42 PM
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Ooo--- that's a great idea, John.

--137.118.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2020 8:17 AM
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Thanks John. (And everyone)

I was aware that they can switch me to another program and perhaps I'll do that. I'm trying to break the feeling I have of holding onto something that I've had so long.....I'm showing loyalty to a bank which I know is not helping me

yet....I stay a customer?

Chase British Airways --108.28.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2020 8:46 AM
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So, it says--

Every calendar year you make $30,000 in purchases on your British Airways Visa Signature card, you will earn a Travel Together Ticket good for two years.*Same page link to Offer Details Redeem your Avios for one reward seat for yourself and use your Travel Together Ticket to bring a companion in the same cabin, even first class (taxes, fees and carrier charges apply).

Were you redeeming the perk before, when you'd put a $35k house on it?

It's easier to put a major purchase on a $38k card, and it's harder to get $30k of spend on a $7500 card.

But when the perk was easier to redeem, were you using it? --137.118.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2020 3:23 PM
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Smok,

AS I WAS TAUGHT...closing a credit card account temporarily (90? days) reduces your credit score. Seems odd but perhaps the CHANGE alerts the algorithms. So don't disturb your score if asking for a new loan.

Cutting up the card is not enough, must contact the provider and close the account.

Our age is showing. We were raised that loyalty was honorable. No more. The company has shown you THEY are not loyal to you.

Shop around. We use a card with airline miles to fly my kids home.

I'm using Lowes for a contrctor discount and HD & Menards cards for rebates. Worth more than a few airline tickets.

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2020 3:52 PM
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Ok, so, a few things...

1. Probably not worth it to try to get the spend-$30,000+ bonus with that card unless you have some very special and expensive flight plan where it makes sense to get the single-use companion pass. If you have that kind of spend to put on a card, there are better deals to do instead.

2. Chase DOES have a no-annual-fee version of that card. It isn't published/advertised, but it exists. So, it might be worth a call to see if they can convert you to that card. That card doesn't offer as many Avios per dollar and doesn't have the spent-$30k deal, but allows you to keep the card at no cost.

3. Note that BA Avios points can be used for American Airlines flights. I have about 200,000 Avios points from the card signups years ago and I just keep them around for a rainy day when I need an American Airlines flight instead of my usual Southwest (where, again, I fly for free and have done so for many years now).

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2020 6:24 PM
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John is mistaken. fee for gold ax has been waived each year for +/- 25 years. to OP: cc cos are reducing lines to reduce bad debt exposure across the board. nothing personal. --107.77.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2020 6:27 PM
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Brad: the reason why your score will drop is bc you are reducing your available credit. best thing to do is just spend occasionally (to keep cc active) --107.77.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2020 4:43 PM
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PMH: I specifically mentioned that I was talking about "Chase and the bigger boys." I actually still don't consider AMEX to be a "bigger boy." They are still fighting just to be accepted at many locations. They still HAVE to waive fees to keep people from dropping them like flies.

Getting an annual fee waived by AMEX doesn't count for much, in my book, sorry. :)

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2020 5:04 PM
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AX is the big boy overseas & in the US. has been for decades. everyone knows AX in any country in Middle East, Africa, Far East, and anywhere else. not so much a US bank bank card. likewise I have chase. citi etc. (no fees either) But first card I use is AX. They credit the fees bc I am a valued card holder. not bc they are wanting to be a ďbig boyĒ thatís nonsensical statement. chase & citi wanting to be big boys also (?) --72.180.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2020 5:11 PM
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on a side note John. Itís not bc they ďare fightingĒ for locations. the reason some merchants will not accept AX is because their fees are higher than regular bank cards. When I am in the bazaar in Cairo they take AX. they donít take Chase..... --72.180.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2020 5:39 PM
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and John. AX was second charge card after Diners. which I also have. unlimited credit line also. (except my ability to pay. lol...) both created in 1950ís I think (?) --107.85.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2020 7:11 PM
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That's fine. To those of us that deal with credit card specials and deals like me, we still consider AMEX to be closer to Discover (which, I'll say, is pretty low) than to a VISA or MC.

It might be popular overseas. That's great for you. Most of us aren't charging stuff in Cairo...

--96.40.xx.xx




Cancel CC? (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2020 1:11 PM
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Thanks for the discussion.

I called, I was told

Will not transfer to another program when BA is involved.

Will not credit annual fee,

I have been a frequent flyer since 1999. (Must of flown home from Prince's New Year's eve bash or something).

I'm afraid all I can do is call in one more time, and if i don't get better answers...Goodbye card.

Sad,

I used to owe -$990,000 and change. Currently Quicken shows -$182,217.30 Maybe it is time to realize I probably don't need the credit cards like I used to.

--108.28.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2020 11:35 PM
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The only good reason to keep an old card is for the fico score. My AAAVisa is ditching car insurance coverage, I won't cancel it but I'll stop using it. John I thought air points expire or they make it really difficult for the avg person to use. That's what happened to delta points I had. I hate Chase. --100.38.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2020 8:37 AM
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Some points expire, some do not. They generally do not make them really difficult to use. Again, I've flown dozens of times over the past 5-7 years -- all for free (well, $5.60/flight for the required federal tax) -- because of Southwest credit cards. (Southwest points do not expire.)

I also have about 250,000 American Airlines points and 200,000 British Airways points that have been sitting for years until I need them. (These you keep from expiring by just earning or spending at least 1 point every 12-18 months.)

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2020 8:47 AM
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On a side note, Delta miles do not expire. They stopped expiring them back in 2011. So, if yours expired, then that means it has been quite a while since you looked into these sorts of deals. It's been at least a decade for you. It might be time to re-visit them! :) There are some good deals to be had with credit card bonus signups.

Besides the flights mentioned above, we've also vacationed in Aruba twice (flights and hotel both free), Bahamas once (flights, hotel, and access to Atlantis water park all free), and then many domestic trips with flights and hotel all free just for whatever (went to a few of my Scouts weddings across the USA and so on).

Don't get me wrong -- I could afford them if I wanted to. But it is just so dang fun for me to fly and stay for free all the time. :)

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Cancel CC? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2020 1:33 PM
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Thanks John,

It was a while ago that I gave up on delta and points. Is there a spending level one needs to make it worth the effort to accumulate points? I have generally cashed in my points. On my HD card they convert the gas points to cash because there is no gas station they takes them in my area. I use the commercial HD card at HD because of the one year return policy. Otherwise I shop Lowe's w the branded Amex card. I have a citizens business mastercard I hate because of the consumer interface. --100.38.xx.xxx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2020 2:40 PM
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So, the key for the best bonuses isn't necessarily ongoing earnings, but the signup bonuses. So, for example, if you want to fly and have a Southwest airport nearby, then I think the Southwest cards are one of the best options -- as you can get 40,000-60,000 points for signing up if you spend $1000-$3000 in the first 3-4 months (depending on the offer).

After you meet that initial spend and get the bonus, then you might not use that card as your "daily driver" because there might be a better choice for ongoing bonuses, discounts, or incentives (like those you mentioned).

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Cancel CC? (by pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2020 1:26 PM
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when I came to the US (many years ago) the sign of affluence was the number of credit cards in your wallet. so I had many, years later I just have five in my wallet. I donít go chasing the points on new sign ups. I have all the perks I want with what I have. --107.77.xxx.xx




Cancel CC? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2020 6:49 PM
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Again, that sounds great. But lots of other folks do enjoy those perks and signups and free flights and hotels.

Also, to note it, as an admitted guy that has done a LOT of this, I only have 3 credit cards in my wallet. My main Southwest card for personal expenses. My business Southwest card for business expenses. And a spare personal card that I never use just in case something goes wrong with Chase. (I was once buying multiple $500 Disney gift cards at Meijer to pay for our DVC maintenance fees and Chase locked the account because several $500 purchases in a row looked odd to them.)

So, just because I do credit card deals does NOT mean that I have 50 credit cards or something. Again, I have less than you in my wallet... And I'm still flying for free for the last 7 years. :)

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx



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