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Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 18, 2020 9:11 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by JAC [OH]) Nov 18, 2020 9:21 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Ken [NY]) Nov 18, 2020 9:44 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by #22 [MO]) Nov 18, 2020 10:02 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Nicole [PA]) Nov 18, 2020 10:45 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 18, 2020 11:19 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 19, 2020 4:51 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by S i d [MO]) Nov 19, 2020 7:58 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by RR78 [VA]) Nov 19, 2020 8:21 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 19, 2020 8:21 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by Richard [MI]) Nov 19, 2020 8:31 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 19, 2020 9:01 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by RentsDue [MA]) Nov 19, 2020 9:46 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by JAC [OH]) Nov 19, 2020 9:56 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by MikeA [TX]) Nov 19, 2020 10:16 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 19, 2020 11:30 AM
       Future of Suburbs (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 19, 2020 12:02 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 19, 2020 12:02 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 19, 2020 12:23 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by WMH [NC]) Nov 19, 2020 4:29 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 19, 2020 5:23 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 19, 2020 8:05 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by razorback_tim [AR]) Nov 19, 2020 8:43 PM
       Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 19, 2020 9:00 PM

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Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2020 9:11 PM

The growth of suburbs was tied to the desire to get out of the cities during the 1950's. In the 1960's we started to build interstates so we could shuttle ourselves to and from the center of cities.

Gas was cheap in the 1960's.

As people settled further away from the city, shopping malls developed into regional shopping hubs.

2 car households developed as woman joined the workforce in groves.

In many of the 24 hour cities, young citizens viewed cities as centers of opportunity, but many others would commute on in work from the suburbs.

So it appears we will have a pres that isn't going to be as friendly towards fossil fuels as other leaders have. Historically that has meant fossil fuels costing more. With Covid crisis going on there has been a shift towards less densely populated areas - and that shift is slowing. Cities might pick up positive migration year. Those huge regional shopping centers, many of them have filed for bankruptcy after anchors have pulled out or disappeared. Sears was well over 100 years when it went under.

So what does the future of the suburb look like to you. --24.101.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2020 9:21 PM

Even at $5 gas with an hour commute in traffic to any city core very few were moving from our suburban neighborhood. People make it work either way. --50.5.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2020 9:44 PM

I dont see the cities being very attractive to many people when mayors and governors allow them to be burned down.I am not moving to a city,i can tell you that for sure --72.231.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2020 10:02 PM

you couldn't give me a house in a big downtown area. People are running like crazy from them. Bad schools, high crime and laws being enforced less and less... no thanks --174.234.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2020 10:45 PM

I know nothing about living in or near a big city. I am sitting on the porch looking at the river with hundreds of acres of woods behind me. As soon as I get to sleep, that stinkin' coyote will start howling. It's 10:45. Until 5:30ish a.m. probably no vehicle will drive down this road. --72.70.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2020 11:19 PM

Gasoline here around a dollar per litre where multiply that by 3.78 for US gallon or 4.54 for imperial gallon which is no longer used here. What is going to happen in the future is there are going to be Tesla cars on the road along with other electric cars where the cars with internal combustion engine are going to become a smaller part of the market. There already here is a carbon tax on gasoline, heating oil and natural gas which has not reduced carbon. For most people who have been here it is almost like one would see in the Us where there are suburbs and large cities with high rise buildings. I doubt they are going to tear down all the single family houses then build multi residential buildings. What is happening in Toronto is they are tearing down houses then where one house was two or three are built on that lot along with more large condominium buildings are being built where the population of the city is going up. What can be done is convert existing houses to net zero where the house does not be connected to the grid where the power comes from solar panels for heat and light. Heating houses creates a considerable amount of carbon where it is possible to build a house that is net zero. Suppose the railway is converted to electric then shipping is done with containers where a lot of trucks no longer to be on the highway. Railway is a far more efficient way to ship as the level of friction with steel wheels on rails is low. In Oslo Norway there are charging stations right in town where electric cars dominate market as government incentives encourage that. VW will soon bring electric cars out where now selling in Europe. --147.194.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 4:51 AM

Some countries in Europe have taken steps to improve environment where the average use of energy is about a quarter what is used in North America. Upgrading insulation on existing buildings where insulation then stucco along with better windows have significant reductions in heat. In Europe most the rail lines are electrified for passenger and freight along with system is integrated where passenger can easily transfer for a intercity train to public transit by changing a platform at the railway station. Housing is going to change here where energy use is going to be reduced. In Europe the large gas guzzling pick up trucks are very rare. MPG is not used where fuel consumption is measured like here in litres per 100 kilometers. Many of the smaller cars are common. 5 to 7 litres per hundred is common. Tesla will soon produce vehicles in Germany where a large plant in Berlin is going to open. Last month when was in Toronto drove by a electric bus where could hear tire noise no noise from a diesel engine. Materials in Europe used for housing where materials last where disposable shingles and fiberglass insulation is not used. Wood frame construction is not used where concrete block or poured concrete walls. A good economy should never be used by amount of energy used. In the house slowly getting rid of the fiberglass insulation then spray foaming sections of ceiling by taking out drywall then spray foaming walls with DIY spray foam kit. One wall with a thermal camera in January where the wall was zero degrees freezing when the outside temperature was minus 20. Now with spray foam along with bubble wrap the windows are weakest part. --147.194.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 7:58 AM

Unlike #22, if you give me a house in a city I will take it...and rent it to someone else. ;-)

I like living in suburbia in my modest SW MO town of 160,000 (metro area 1/4 million). I can get anywhere, even the farthest point away, in under 30 minutes. All of my rentals are less than 20 minutes away.

I work from home...have for the past 7 years or so. No commute. Home coffee much better than office coffee. Enjoy seeing my stay-at-home wife during lunch.

Work out in my basement or neighborhood streets, which are safe and have good lighting and sidewalks. No fear walking alone after 9 pm.

I've missed having a micro brewery close by, though the ones we do have are not too far....15-20 minutes mostly. Good news is the first brew pub on my side of town is supposed to open in 2021. Less than 5 minutes away by car or about a 15-20 minute stroll. Am I dreaming?

Malls? We have only one. I try to keep my trips limited to no more than once every 2-3 years.

What is the future of the suburbs? I'm not sure I know what they are even though I've lived in one since 2001. --107.216.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 8:21 AM

I think the suburbs will continue to grow. At least some people will not forget the virus. And remember or planning for the next one.

Plus I am always amazed how gas prices dont seem to effect anyone much.

Full size trucks that have the worst gas mileage seem to be best sellers.

With a 1000 HP electric Hummer coming out. I think in 10 years the tech will be more refined. So there is no reason to own a gas car.

Then the commute cost will be even less.


Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 8:21 AM

Covid did pull people out of the city.

Americans have really bad memories though.

Will we remember C-19 in 20 years? After all when was the last time someone you know mentioned Y2K? Aids have been around for 30 plus years and we still don't have a cure for that virus.

The bigger impact from Covid, will be how long will the WFH movement will last. If Office buildings aren't needed Starbucks on that corner are not needed, nor that parking garage. Taxes around here in the cities tend to be higher than those in the surrounding areas. The cities are centers for jobs. I am not sure job levels will be enough if there is a sizable pull out.

I wonder what young young college grads are thinking? Or Corp CEOs --24.101.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 8:31 AM

I don't see a good future for the suburbs, especially any within 30-45 minutes of big cities.


Future of Suburbs (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 9:01 AM

T has stopped a BO housing order that was moving D's to the suburbs so the vote would always be higher for Ds everywhere. Long term chess players they are. So T stopped the bill with an order. T is going to be around for four more. I have been predicting this for months. It will go to the HOUSE where there are 30 R controlled states and 20 D controlled states. Case closed. A local guy posted on a local FB page and he was living in moderate income housing and making 60K. How is that moderate? --71.104.xx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 9:46 AM

What suburbs? The incoming disaster duo has a big agenda to ď rezone the suburbsĒ. Soon you will have an affordable housing project in the back 40. I canít figure how their voters are going to like paying $5.00 a gallon for gas when they have to travel to get to the closest pot shop , but Iím sure they will rezone the suburbs to bring those closer to their voters too. --75.133.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 9:56 AM

You talk about crime in the cities and the closest I have come to any experience of crime is two country homes that were burglarized in broad daylight. --50.5.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 10:16 AM

I agree with you that Americans have a short memory. I also think that the rioting and looting will subside as the political spectrum changes. While I have no desire to live in a city center, I'm in the wrong demographic to ask. I wouldn't have wanted to live there prior to the current situation. As I've talked with my son who lives in the center of Austin and has always been drawn to the big city life, I posed the stat's to him that are coming out of NYC and other big cities. His take is that his friends that have moved out have said they will be back when it settles down. So, if he's right, over the next year or two things will be back to the same as pre-covid. I don't think gas prices play into this as much as we might think, people are kind of numb to significant fluctuations over time. Malls were already scrapping for their lives, I don't see that trend changing. Big names like JC Penney's, Dillards, Macy's, and Stein Mart will likely join the ranks of Sears and Montgomery Wards. I think this speaks to the trend away from limited choice selections to the newer trend of made to order/infinite choices when shopping. That happens on-line or in custom or boutique shops which will continue to thrive. --64.130.xx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 11:30 AM

Crime in the city. Local young artist went downtown Trenton to paint a mural at a fancy social club. Kidnapped, raped, left half buried behind the police station. I knew her from the photo store. My mother knew her grandmother who was still alive last year at 104. I was able to tell the police, through her messages, where her body was. Her car was taken but they did not say that or what kind. Later I realized it had passed me on the left in my neighborhood with three large bro's in it. I heard what sounded like banging on the hood and screaming. Something told me to swerve and hit it, but I could not and then of course, they didn't say in the paper that her car was taken and what it was and I thought maybe I was just hearing something on the radio... I have to live with that. --71.104.xx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 12:02 PM

I am hoping that people are still moving to the suburbs as I am trying to sell my property there. However, I think you are right and people will forget and go back to the city. --73.120.xx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 12:02 PM

What comes around goes around. --73.120.xx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 12:23 PM

A dollar per litre is already a four dollar per Us gallon and five dollar per imperial gallon which is no longer used here. If all suburbs were converted back to farm land then cities would have to build high density housing which is not feasible. While 80 kilometers from where lived in city public transit here is limited where do not use often. Shopping for food is easy as there are five grocery stores in town along with hardware stores where only if something special where can go to suburbs of Toronto called the GTA. If had the funds would buy a Tesla as for local driving that would be better option as warming a cold engine fuel consumption increases where stop and driving more fuel is used as well. Rental housing in town is becoming a smaller portion of housing as more housing is built the builders are not building rental housing as there is rent control. The norm is two thirds owner occupied and one third rental where some cities that is around ten per cent. Since housing in the cities is more expensive many people when retire move further out then can buy for two thirds or half what can buy in city. Once more then hundred kilometers out of the GTA the cost of houses drops significantly. --147.194.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 4:29 PM

Some people lived in cities because that's where the jobs were. But as Work From Home gains in popularity, and the tools to do it get better, I'm betting a lot of people won't be returning to the office even when they can.

They WILL however want a home with a safe yard for the kids and a place for a home office. That's the suburbs.

Young people like cities because that's where the night life is - they will return. --50.82.xxx.xxx

Future of Suburbs (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 5:23 PM

gas was 1.55 this past weekend where I am in TX --107.77.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 8:05 PM

So do you see any long term changes occurring in the city or suburbs? --24.101.xxx.xx

Future of Suburbs (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 8:43 PM

I think work at home is here to stay for several years. Maybe not for months on end, but only come into the office 1-3 days per week or so type thing or only when you have a meeting that "needs" to be face to face. This and the lockdowns will lead to more people leaving the cities and moving to suburbs, small towns, and rural areas. Some people will choose to be nomads for awhile as well, living in RV's and camper vans as long as they have access to a good internet connection. --70.178.x.xx

Future of Suburbs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2020 9:00 PM

I am thinking used RVs will be rather cheap in a couple of years along with bikes and Kayaks --24.101.xxx.xx

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