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Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 16, 2020 5:42 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Oct 16, 2020 5:47 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 16, 2020 6:06 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by RentsDue [MA]) Oct 16, 2020 6:19 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 16, 2020 6:26 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by plenty [MO]) Oct 16, 2020 10:16 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 17, 2020 1:46 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Sir Walter [NC]) Oct 17, 2020 2:24 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Sir Walter [NC]) Oct 17, 2020 2:28 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Steve [MA]) Oct 17, 2020 7:05 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 17, 2020 9:27 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 17, 2020 10:21 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 17, 2020 10:26 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 17, 2020 10:59 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 17, 2020 11:07 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 17, 2020 12:29 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Dee Ann [WI]) Oct 17, 2020 1:18 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 17, 2020 1:40 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by LindaJ [NY]) Oct 18, 2020 11:58 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 18, 2020 12:55 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Vee [OH]) Oct 18, 2020 1:32 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Jkj [MA]) Oct 18, 2020 7:12 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Sir Walter [NC]) Oct 18, 2020 9:39 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 19, 2020 9:30 AM
       Don't fence me yen. (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 19, 2020 12:08 PM
       Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Oct 19, 2020 2:34 PM

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Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 5:42 PM
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Should I seek counsel soon?

I went to my rental Wed. The lot is 2.3 acres bordering a 22 acre lot 10 in cultivation 12 forested.

It's in the shape of a rectangle with a small box of a backlot, until last year occupied by a groundskeeper who picked up work before taking permeant job as a maintenance hand and sacking somewhere unknown.

I could walk around the field and enter the back lot freely until Wed. when someone, the current tenant or the groundskeeper who's absent. So I can walk right into the back lot which doubles as my personal man cave al fresco, since the groundskeeper left after 5 yrs of no rent.

THIS MYSTERIOUS IMPREGNABLE FENCE puzzles me. What and who put it there? The current tenant technically has not rented the back lot add on but may not even know that it's not included. The lease forbids any changes or additions. He knows the 22 acres isn't included you betcha. What should be done? Talk to an atty? Take down the fence? Give the tenant a notice? Ignore it for the peril it represents? Blimey.

--24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 5:47 PM
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A part of your 'fence' story seems to be missing. I'm assuming someone built a fence and you didn't know anything about it. Your land, your right to do whatever, if there is some new fence there. Can you describe it? Big, small, wood, metal, laser beam? Sounds like a start of a good mystery novel! --72.199.xx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 6:06 PM
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Sure -it's 10 feet long and 7 feet high with metal posts often used in temporary applications; the type of u-shape flange posts with clip-like tongues top to bottom for attaching wire mesh fencing. The wire mesh, not chain link, is close enough to block rodents, racoons, o'possum, fox, squirrels or deer. It's not new, not painted and isn't ground fastened. I can scarcely squeeze past it.

The tenant is a many splendored surpriser, if you catch my drift;) He works part time keeping and training K-9's and as a handyman. He brings the rent unknown to me, leaves it under the mat and phones back saying the rent's under the mat.

I have been burgled for small items like jewelry and mouse bait, so someone's picked up the gauntlet. I don't find this cute at my age. --24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 6:19 PM
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The easiest way to find out who put it there is to take it down. --75.133.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 6:26 PM
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Richard the maintenance hand fr Arkansas or John the K-9 trainer handler stud tenny. LOL --24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 10:16 PM
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Is it an obstacle for dog training? --99.203.xxx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 1:46 AM
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Live,

Just 10 feet wide? Between buildings or just a section of fence free standing?

I am VERY curious now. Please, tell more.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 2:24 AM
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Give notice to the tenant to remove it by X date, or you will remove it after that at a charge of $$ to them. If the tenant did not do it, the tenant will probably quickly let you know. --98.122.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 2:28 AM
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If it is free standing, someone could be practicing for American Ninja Warrior. You could go on as a cheerleader. --98.122.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 7:05 AM
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I can't follow what is actually happening would you kindly try giving us a bit more info. --71.174.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 9:27 AM
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Additional Info?

It's on the border between two wooded lots. It's between separate lots; to frustrate arbitrage.

Parse vivisectionally the tenant doesn't have any need to know plats and property lines.

Parenthetically if the Arkansas hand did it it's a present since he's not enfranchised to be on the property; but would tenny deny access or eject him?

I'm accustomed to cops being the good guys. Cops reserving real estate for tycoon realtors is science fiction.

It's something speeding the plough since there's no practical explanation. I'm old could have an aneurism or covid 19; maybe defending the Line?

I am informing the tenant that this boxed in back lot is extremely dangerous fraught with rusting metal, broken glass, poison ivy and possibly rabid creatures and seal it to incursion until the dumpster comes in next month or next spring, ex-appropriating the fence, since he pays rent religiously under the boot heel of the sheriff. Who wants to be screwed around with? Anyone U know?

--24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 10:21 AM
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The first thing to do is to ASK the tenant if he put the fence up. If he did, tell him to take it down (or not, depending upon his reason for putting the fence up). If he didn't, or won't admit that he did, you take it down.

I am getting from your ramble that the fence is between two areas of your own land, so a neighbor hasn't put it on the property line. --76.178.xx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 10:26 AM
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The only use I can think of for a 10 foot long 7 foot high wire fence is to use as a trellis for growing some sort of tall vine. Maybe someone started a wind break and didn't finish it. Tenants often don't finish the garden projects that they start.

By the way, seriously, do not vivisection the tenant. You can't do a self help eviction anyway and that breaks a few laws in addition to the one against self help eviction. --76.178.xx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 10:59 AM
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My dad erected a fence on this line during the 50's -impertinent here. This is well inside of all boundaries.

I don't imagine it's for a vine. This is the south: honeysuckle loves to climb anywere there's sunshine; kudzu drapes the right-of-ways; there's not sun enough since it's wooded meaning it's got shrubs, trees, sapling, cottonwood, an occasional evergreen.

Understand there's no love lost here; ppl are simply not interested in being a good neighbor or keeping to themselves, I've endured threats, guns, tiny wire flags, OF RECENT. We get along among ourselves.

I think I will seal off the back lot and let someone pose a question possibly, and advise the tenant. Eviction here is no fault, btw. --24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 11:07 AM
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Definitely TALK and all the wondering will end. Post a notice on his door and give him your phone number. I feel it has to do with dogs going back there after deer before they are trained enough to not do that. You got past it right? He knew you could. You know so little about him though. He could be from one of "those groups" and you would never know. --71.104.xx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 12:29 PM
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I thought I babbled and had rambling thoughts ... I can't even put in the effort to translate the post let alone try to figure out a helpful answer ... and I own a lot of acreage in the woods and also several small (under 5 acres) wood lots so I'd be interested in this post. --72.70.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 1:18 PM
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What bothers you most? The erection of the fence, or it being done without your permission or without informing you he wanted to do it?

I'm with Allym, think it may have to do with the dogs. No need for either of you to upset each other. If he pays faithfully and calls to let you know it is under your mat, you must have his phone #. Mention you noticed a fence errected on the land...no need to mention borders and just ask if he erected it and his intended purpose? Then you can mention the horrors in the back lot and if you feel the need to have him sign something for purposes or whatever you want to say...his use vs renting the back section to someone else or? then draw something up that is clear, have it notarized and keep.

I recently jumped the gun on something I THOUGHT a really good new tenant had done...only to find he didn't do it! Hopefully the communication that ensued between us repaired our relationship as he is gold.

How your tenant handles your communication will tell you more about him. If you find he erected the fence and for a reasonable purpose are you inclined to allow it to remain (with something in writing?) or inclined to have it down? --75.11.xx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2020 1:40 PM
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Okay cubs this mind bender doesn't yield. I am condemning and sealing the half acre back lot and "Posting" it which annuls perplexion. This works.

Anyone within those bounds is trespassing and subject to arrest, the dangers are myriad from old batteries to electrify the RV, etc. I have no comment about the fence until someone owns up.

GAME CHANGER: a plastic garbage can lid 28" diameter with a hole in the center's suspended in the immediate vicinity noose-like, where a bird feeder used to be. Don't go there.

He hasn't informed me of things, from the recycling bin brought in prior to interviewing to empty the junk of the previous tenant; or a very large cottage-like building to shelter his bike and mower. Very unusual. --24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2020 11:58 AM
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I too am having a hard time understanding this post. ASK the tenant if he put it up and why... THEN you can understand the problem or ask him to move it or take it down. All the other issues in your life seem to be putting you on the defensive long before you may need to be.... It sounds like it isn't even permanent or encompassing the whole property. Could the dogs be going in there and wants to deter them?

Tenant pays, he isn't wrecking the place, don't start a confrontation. There is one question... is it in your lease or agreement that he does not rent the land with the house but (maybe) has use of it unless notified otherwise. I think it is accepted practice that if you rent the house you rent the property with it unless notified otherwise. --108.4.xxx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2020 12:55 PM
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Ask the tenant who's a cop so Habeus Corpus possibly. No it is permeant, take my word. I haven't spoken here about dogs. It's stage flat proportion, blocking my access to my man cave back lot. That question's pertinent possibly. Richard WAS living in 1 of 2 RV's okay? The RV is there but Richard's awol. We are being v. tactful to keep me from being mauled @77.

We needed to impress upon tenant the boundaries to what he's entitled, required putting his nose in it. He has 1/3 acre adjoining a large lawn which tenant must mow but we don't want used but for a garden so we're trading off mowing the large area, the drain field, for the perception of having access. He should respect the wasted back lot and kept tf out but he's got heebie jeebies -all this reserve land;) OMG. So much land, so little time. Betsy. --24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2020 1:32 PM
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I don't follow this one either, check with the manager on staff - may have to fire this person for not paying attention. Using a tractor trailer size tow truck hopefully you can restore this dabacle. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2020 7:12 PM
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Good lord would it kill you to write in normal understandable posts so that people know what the hell your talking about. I got out of all your posts that a fence appeared on your property, you donít think itís some guy named Richard because heís AWOL, you may or may not be using the rear lot as a man cave, thereís a bunch of crap and poison ivy back there, and you have a tenant in the front lot. If you are just trying to figure out who put it there Iíd start by asking the tenant in the front lot, then take the fence down if you donít want it up. This doesnít appear to be very hard, unless Iím missing something, (which is entirely possible with your writing style)! --173.48.xxx.xxx




Don't fence me yen. (by Sir Walter [NC]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2020 9:39 PM
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JKJ, I've noticed that livenotonevil has a certain florid writing style that has been fairly consistent since he became a frequent poster in 2009. I perceive livenotonevil to be a fellow native Southerner who is used to both hearing and telling descriptive woven stories. In the old days, before electronic entertainment became so widely available, church and storytelling were prime forms of Southern entertainment. His may be a bit more descriptive than others, but it is his own distinctive communication style.

When I was first starting my career, I worked on a temporary assignment with some other young Southerners getting their first taste of big city Northern life in Massachusetts. We had many stories to tell about the abrupt communication style that was pervasive in the area. Since then, I've also seen metropolitan transplants nearly have a conniption during some routine daily interactions in their new rural environment. ( Going off tangent, I anticipate that some of these COVID refugees from NYC and the West Coast are in for some episodes of severe culture shock when they get outside of their bubble of fellow refugees who have moved South.)

It may be worthwhile checking out the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode called Darmok. Captain Picard is kidnapped and learns to communicate with a species who speaks in allegories. This may give some perspective on livenotonevil's writing style. Alternatively, revisiting the story-telling approach of The Canterbury Tales may also be helpful.

Regardless, if anyone went on a trip with livenotonevil, I doubt that they would be bored or that their mind would not be engaged. (Now if we could just get livenotonevil to post a link to some drone footage...just kidding...)

I am certain that this will all work out well. --98.122.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2020 9:30 AM
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Any Sir Walter hails from the east side of the Haw River. I have frequented Provincetown previously.

I would want an etch a sketch to show the lay of the land. I have reason to be alarmed these days.

My Dukie cousins bought a place in Orange Co with a Durham address. And the university told them to gth out. So.

Don't backpack with me; I pay huge sums to travel to Greek islands then don't have funds to take the Green KTEL bus around the island.

I'd rather throw this guy away since he causes a fair amount of stress which can be deadly. Ppl wouldn't hang around vulture-like for lots aye? --24.74.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2020 12:08 PM
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my guess is the op has a jug of 'shine that's fueling these posts. --72.70.xxx.xx




Don't fence me yen. (by livenotonevil [NC]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2020 2:34 PM
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I'm sorry? --24.74.xxx.xx



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