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Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 7:46 PM
I just installed a new bathroom sink and noticed there's no overflow drain in the sink (that hole on the top of the sink). So, i'm thinking if the sink stopper is closed, and if the water is running unattended for a few minutes, I will have a continuous niagara falls.in the bathroom.
Are you concerned that an unattend faucet running, would cause a flood, if the stopper is in, and there's no overflow drain in the sink?
I'm thinking of removing bathroom sink stoppers and replacing them with a strainer instead. What do you think? Do many people use the sink stopper? Have you ever had an overflow? Thanks. --71.187.xxx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 8:21 PM
How do you shave without a stopper or pop-up? This is a bathroom sink, you said. --76.4.xxx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 8:27 PM
I noticed that lacking feature in the cheaper sinks at HD a while back. I was caught off guard recently when I purchased Lowes vanity combo kit. I didn't need if for quite some time and when my handyman installed it I realized it had no overflow and the sink design is awful. However I was committed to it at that point. Next time I'll be more carful. Your idea seems like a good one. I find sink stoppers often don't function properly and tenants pull the rod free and it just hangs there.
So I'll venture that many do not use the stopper.
I have installed screen units in a couple of sinks where long hair is a problem. It doesn't go well, with all the mucus the sink gets. Perhaps you come across a better product. --24.194.xxx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 8:46 PM
Mike45, sounds like you use the stopper to shave and I'm guessing other people do too. When I shave, I don't use a stopper, I just rub hot water on my face, apply shave cream, shave, rinse off my blade occasionally, and then rinse off my face. Thanks for the input.
small potatoes, a bit like your experience, I've had plenty of broken stoppers and I don't recall anyone asking them to be fixed. I do get lots of emails on slow drains with hair in them. I think a stopper doesn't do any straining. We just have strainers in our home kitchen sink and it works well, you just have to clean it out once and awhile.
How about invent a little garbage disposal device for a bathroom sink, that automatically grinds up hair and the like?
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 10:05 PM
There are all sort of lousy plumbing products (fixtures) on the market, mainly imported from abroad. As a licensed plumbing contractor I have to warn clients about their "finds" -- so called deals from a Big Box Store known as "specials".
Replacement parts, available only sometimes during the production run, then no more.
Defects like the bonnet nut holding a stem in place wears out and the water pressure causes the stem to pop out of retaining nut -- resulting in a flood.
IMPORTANT- If you happen to find a deal on a good quality faucet, buy extra ones for parts. I buy faucets by the case, used to run me like $15 per faucet. Later if I needed a replacement hot or cold stem, wholesale it was $12.95 each. So the extra faucets were worth more in parts then as a replacement faucet -- once I placed dozens in service.
Just this week I had a 10 year old "Home Depot Special" go bad again. I've replaced the hot and cold stems, washers and handles. But now the threads that hold it together were a bit worn, so I couldn't take a chance replacing parts anymore, it had to go... I replaced it with a "Plumbing Supply Store's Special". Now those faucets take standard parts, but again the basic faucet will only last so long with tenants constant use...
The high quality faucets made by companies like Moen, Price Pfister, American Standard, Chicago and other will last a life time, but with tenant abuse, they won't look like new for long.... I can install a $100 faucet and expect it to last over 40 years or install a $20 special getting 10 year plus.. I'm a plumber so a faucet replacement takes less than an hour, with now stops and supply lines and removing the old faucet too.... --47.155.xx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 10:22 PM
Totally agree, Robert J. In some of my houses I have 10 students using the same kitchen faucet. Makes sense to get the most reliable faucet (thought I'm not sure which that is)
But what do you think, are bathroom sink stoppers a hazard, especially when the sink doesn't have an overflow drain? Thanks --71.187.xxx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 10:47 PM
Had the same thing happen. Just went with it and Iím hoping there are no issues. 1 BR unit, no kids, hopeful there wonít be a problem but I do think removing stopper is a good idea with a strainer. With no strainer items can fall down the drain and get stuck. --73.17.xx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 11:25 PM
As a plumber and landlord, I have many tenants and clients that allow things to go down into the sink's drain and get stuck in the traps or wall tee. I
I sometimes will install a removable drain screen in place of the stopper. But in those cases, the tenant/client will remove the drain screen when clogged, and forget to put it back. Then I have a 1" large open hole in the sink so toothpaste tops and other no-no's will fall into the drain line causing a blockage down the road.
So my solution is to install a ridgid sink drain screen that get's pressed into place so no one, except myself, can remove it -- something necessary to run a snaking cable down the drain...
Whatever we do, drains are a part of landlording maintance. --47.155.xx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 6:10 AM
In MA it's agsinst code to install a bathroom sink that doesn't have an overflow drain. Yet we can install a vessel style bathroom sink which doesn't have an overflow drain. Sometime close the stopper, fill the sink & allow the water to go past the overflow hole to see what happens. Unless the water flow is just a trickle you'll still get a flood. Also if they actually help prevent overflowing sinks why aren't kitchen sink or bar sinks required to have them?
Instead of relying on an overflow drain that may or may not handle a flood, I have floor drains in all of my rental's bathrooms. Their traps are primed via a diverter on the cold water side of the faucet which allows a small of amount of water to empty into the trap. Not only does it handle a possible sink overflow but it helps when the toilet overflows or water escapes from the tub / shower. --71.174.xxx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 8:16 AM
Still learning, yes does seem things falling down the drain is a common occurrence. In my kitchen sink, when the stoppers pulled, thereís some structure that keeps bigger things from going down. Not in the bathroom sink though.
Robert Jís technique of an attached drain screen seems effective, I like it. I guess maybe occasionally a tenant would need to stick their finger in there and pull out hair, etc, but easier than me running a snake down to get it. I'm going to search to see if such a thing is for sale.
Steve youíre really upping the ante with a floor drain. Does sound sweet though. Over the years, Iíve seen a fair amount of damage to ceilings from the bathroom above. Would be nice to have shower, toilet and sink overflows to go down the drain. ďAnd away your troubles down the drainĒ
And good point about the overflow drain only handling a slow flow anyway. I wasnít thinking about that but your right. Most overflow holes are like 1/3 the diameter (or 1/9 the area) of the drain. And yeah, "why aren't kitchen sinks required to have them"
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by David [MI]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 8:25 AM
Overflowing sink is tenant's responsibility, like any other possible damage to the property. Even if the drain is clogged, my lease is clear: tenant is responsible to MITIGATE damages to property
A responsible tenant will stay in the bathroom when filling the sink. Even if it does overflow , a responsible tenant will clean up the water on the floor before any damage occurs.
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 8:37 AM
Thanks David for that perspective. I suspect you rent to a different tenant than I do. I pretty much do everything for my student tenants: snow removal, lawn care, pay utilities and unclog drains. The rent covers it all. But if a student closed the sink stopper and accidentally walked away, they would be responsible for the damage, but I'd rather not go down that road, if I don't need to. --71.187.xxx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Davud [NU]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 8:49 AM
I'll leave it to the guys on This Old House to do an experiment, but I'm skeptical that having the sink overflow, but the tenant comes back within 5 mins and cleans it up, would cause any damage. I mean you'd pretty much have to do Home Alone bandit style amount of water over flow when no one is home to get damage.
If you disagree with me, I'll take your word for it, I'm not going to try to prove you wrong :grin: --50.4.xxx.x
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 9:02 AM
Speaking of college tenants, bathrooms, etc. Bill, I know you take pride in your apartments and take care of issues. The apartment my daughter is in, not so much. I know there is hot water going into the toilet, they found a worker working on the shower last week with no knowledge anyone was coming for maintenance, etc. My daughter calls the other morning scared because of some noise in the apartment and I can hear it in the background. She says it is coming from the bathroom which she had just showered and it sounds like clanking and groaning... of course I stay calm on the phone and am trying to get her to figure out exactly where it is coming from as I am thinking, yikes, is something going to blow... Then she says itís an alarm. Her roommate left her phone in the bathroom and the alarm is like a serpent, monster noise. I hope your tenants call their parents for things like that before bothering you. --73.17.xx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 10:54 AM
David, I tend to agree with you and maybe there is not much to worry about, as far as a sink overflowing. Iíve had several instances of shower water and overflowing toilets going to the floor below, but Iíve never run into a sink overflowing. And I agree with you, if the sink were to overflow for a few minutes while someone stepped away, it would be similar to a toilet overflow from someone flushing a clogged toilet, which can be easily cleaned up.
Still Learning, I donít understand why poor maintenance/repairs in student housing is so common. Houses are a big investment and youíre losing money big time if you donít take care of them. As for my tenants bothering me, itís not a problem. Sometimes I wish theyíd bother me more after they tell me: ď the ceiling has been dripping for weeks but I didnít want to bother you because itís not dripping that muchĒ :-)
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by David [MI]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 11:01 AM
Nearly all of my houses have unfinished (or at least the ceiling is unfinished) basements. So the water just drips into the basement and the open ceiling lets it dry fast --50.4.xxx.x
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 12:50 PM
The person who purchased supplies did not pay attention to the product they took into the house, even with an overflow port the sink could overflow the edge and ruin what is below. --76.188.xxx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 3:30 PM
I did this in one rental...they had children that I thought may do what you describe...but I asked the lady if she minded and she was fine with it. Maybe on a case-by-case basis. --99.92.xxx.xxx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 4:02 PM
Thanks David, interesting way of remediating water damage :-) I don't have any unfinished basements, so it's break out the shop vac and maybe the dehumidifier for me.
You are right Vee, I did not pay attention to the product I purchased. I'm guilty as charged.
Hoosier, I'm thinking you mean she didn't mind not having a sink stopper? And my sister always tells the story: she says as kids, her and I (I don't remember this) pulled the stopper, filled up the sink and let the water overflow. She said it looked great and she asked our mom to come look at the waterfall we made. --71.187.xxx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 5:08 PM
I've always wondered why bathroom sinks and tubs have overflows. They seldom keep up with the flow, so the device will overflow anyway. And the kitchen sink does not require one...
I love the floor drain idea, but none of my units have them. At least they are all one story with no basements!
I'd leave the stopper in the lavatory sink. No reason to remove. Although I can't remember using that stopper for anything, ever, in my life. --69.80.xx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 8:46 PM
Turns out there's a bunch of "Sink Strainer Drain w/o Overflow Hole" for sale and yes, they are made for sinks without overflow drains. That is what I'm going to use! Because right gevans, who ever uses that stopper? Not college students, I don't think, and not gevans and me! It was a long road but we got here. Thanks! Bill --71.187.xxx.xx
Sink Stopper Hazard? (by David [MI]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2020 9:04 PM
gevans, I think I read that floor drains are no longer code on first floor because sewage will flow up it if there's a backup.
My basements all have floor drains but they're unfinished so good to go --50.4.xxx.x
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