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3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 13, 2020 8:53 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 13, 2020 9:22 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by NE [PA]) Oct 13, 2020 9:24 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 13, 2020 9:24 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by #22 [MO]) Oct 13, 2020 10:18 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 13, 2020 10:24 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Oct 13, 2020 10:24 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 13, 2020 10:26 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Steve [MA]) Oct 13, 2020 10:44 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Johnny B. [MA]) Oct 14, 2020 1:35 AM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Ken [NY]) Oct 14, 2020 8:28 AM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Oct 14, 2020 9:09 AM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by RB [MI]) Oct 14, 2020 9:43 AM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 14, 2020 10:05 AM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 14, 2020 5:28 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 14, 2020 5:30 PM
       3/3 to 3/2 question (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 16, 2020 8:46 AM

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3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 8:53 PM
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Purchased a property as a 3/3. Rented as a 3/3. Pay taxes on a 3/3. Property Card says 3/3. Town is now saying they can't find any permits/plans that show 3rd bedroom as anything but open space. This is a condo and is coming to light due to short term rental inspections. A similar unit was inspected and ordered to remove all beds immediately (just locking it for rental purposes and using it personally doesn't seem to be an option). I believe they are requiring outside egress which may not be possible. We will look into possible fire suppression. This is a significant drop in resale value if we have to sell as a 2BR. We will consult with legal, but any thoughts on how you fight this, work around or places to start researching?

--73.17.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 9:22 PM
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Wrote that wrong 3BR/3BA to 2BR/3BA --73.17.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 9:24 PM
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Remove the bed until they feel like they won. --70.44.xxx.xx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 9:24 PM
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I run into your situation all of the time. As a owner, investor, manager, contractor and builder. I know the codes, trades and procedures but still sometimes things go wrong somewhere over the years. Permits get lost. Plans disappear. Codes and ordinances change so the "City" changes their minds after the fact and make "the new owner" deal with their "mistakes".

Case in point, I have landlord friends with million dollar problems -- such as a 6 unit that was permitted as a duplex over 30 years ago. The owner wanted my help in getting thing straightened out. I know the City's records are now kept behind closed and locked doors. If I ask for the documents, they will vanish before I can place my eyes upon them. So I recommend as associate, who pay's a fee and have unlimited access to "records". For a fee, he would investigate, pull all plans, permits and certificate of occupancy. He wanted around $1,700 for his time to do the leg work and produce a comprehensive report needed to obtain a new ruling to get the duplex back as a 6 unit. The client thought that was too high of a price and through they could do the work themselves. It's now 2 years later and the property is vacant -- loosing around $460,000 in rental income.

The reason I told you this true story is you need to hire a professional to sift through the official documents and find out what went wrong and how to correct it. --47.155.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 10:18 PM
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Does the room not meet egress standards? Is it under ground (dig a well on the outside) or walled in (Add an exterior door or window) is the window too small? Can you explain why it does not meet the egress standard? If selling and needing to move quick - refer to it as a bonus room / office. Buyers will get the hint of what's there. --23.126.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 10:24 PM
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Unsure of grade, possibly below, condo complex so canít just install window or door. Not selling, trying to protect value and rental income. We will hire help Robert. Just know the wealth of knowledge on this site so I thought someone might have valuable information as we are just at the beginning of this process. --73.17.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 10:24 PM
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If they think it's a 3/2, ask for a prop tax refund since you've been paying taxes on a 3/3. Bet they'll find the permit quick. --108.69.xxx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 10:26 PM
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Before going down the road of giving in to only being a 2 BR and looking for tax abatement I would rather fight for the 3rd bedroom. --73.17.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 10:44 PM
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How long ago was it built & did it require any type of special zoning permit? When you go looking for the building permits, plans, inspections, COs, sub division plans & minutes from any planning / zoning / selectmen meetings also checkout what was filed for septic plans if it's not on town sewer. --71.174.xxx.xx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 1:35 AM
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What do you mean by saying they may be requiring outside egress? For that bedroom specially? Is it because the window isnít large enough to count as an emergency exit? If this is the case, I think a valid work around is to add an interior door that goes into another room with a valid means of egress. So the bedroom would have two doors both leading to a different room within the apartment. --24.147.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 8:28 AM
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I like Johnny B idea, just move the beds after the inspection who knows or cares where the tenants put there beds? i dont care if my tenants want to have a bed in a hallway and i dont really care what the city thinks about it --72.231.xxx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 9:09 AM
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I am disgusted on what you citizens have allowed your govt to do to you

In Newbury NH they had 2 people in town hall -1 window....now 6 windows 12+ people - I sold out of that town

In Sunapee NH we had ZERO building inspectors - now they have 1.5 and share an assessor with 3 towns - I sold out of there

Most great NH villages now have more Real Estate Offices and Country Stores have become few and far between

Nirvana is shrinking and I am selling out my rentals - my home is safely in resort town with a lake , skiing, golf, scuba etc and no medaling Govt............ by our choice

Govt is only in the business of providing those goods and services that the private sector finds either unprofitable or undesirable. for instance - Towns should not be in the garbage pick up business - there are plenty of companies that do it

Low taxes are a direct result of low spending --24.62.xxx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 9:43 AM
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Office plaque on door. --199.192.xxx.x




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 10:05 AM
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NHsailmaker - property is not in NH. Johnny B we are exploring a second door. It is possible it becomes an office/owners closet and we put pull out couches in the living room. I think other owners in the complex will just roll over and not fight. We will explore all avenues --73.17.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 5:28 PM
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How long have you owned this and rented it?

Why the sudden change? Now, all of the sudden, they can't find a permit.

Have you checked to see if they recently changed the codes or zoning and are using the permit as an excuse to to get you to change?

I would ask them why they have been excepting it as a 6 unit the whole time and taking my tax money as such and let me buy it as such and now they want to change it. If they did just change the codes then you should be able to grandfather in.

--73.120.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2020 5:30 PM
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3/3 not 6 unit --73.120.xx.xxx




3/3 to 3/2 question (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2020 8:46 AM
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I have seen a specially designed window that looks like a picture window but the glass is clipped into the square to increase the size of the egress area.

If the place doesn't even have a window, and you can't install at least one window, why would you want to risk everything you have to squeeze out just a tad bit more value? I understand that construction methods and standards changed over the years - but is it worth someones live and the probable legal hassles that will surely follow you around for the following decade? --24.101.xxx.xx



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